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voxlagind
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SUGGESTION:
Change the way Reputation works so that it is completed across every character on an account.
WHY IT IS A GOOD IDEA:
Cryptic will make more money. As a person with a few level 50 characters, I can tell you that only one has leveled the reputations to Tier 5. The others haven't even begun. Those alternate level 50 characters never see any gameplay because I have no interest in grinding again. Because everything worth purchasing via reputation comes at the end of the grind, I will never purchase those characters anything from the z-store nor will I ever need dilithium to enhance them.
Essentially, the reputation system serves as a deterrent for playing multiple characters. Now imagine if a character reached 50 on an account where the reputation was already Tier 5. In my excitement to make said character good, I would now be tempted (and probably would) purchase z-store credits to convert to dilithium and purchase services for said character, so that I might take advantage of all the reputation store and reputation based items that character would require.
Again, I understand the grind as a means to see the content, experience the content, participate in the game. But after having done it once, there is a bunch of that content that the player doesn't really want to have to see again. We've paid our dues, and now we just want to be at the point where our new characters can just be ready to purchase the items they desire.
Essentially, Cryptic.... there is a large population of players who aren't paying to equip their alt characters because we simply have no interest in going through the grind again. We would be more than willing to put more money into those characters were the grind removed, but as it stands, we can't be bothered to repeat the stuff we didn't enjoy the first time around.
Let us give you our money. The way things are set up now, you're actually depriving yourselves of income.
Change the way Reputation works so that it is completed across every character on an account.
WHY IT IS A GOOD IDEA:
Cryptic will make more money. As a person with a few level 50 characters, I can tell you that only one has leveled the reputations to Tier 5. The others haven't even begun. Those alternate level 50 characters never see any gameplay because I have no interest in grinding again. Because everything worth purchasing via reputation comes at the end of the grind, I will never purchase those characters anything from the z-store nor will I ever need dilithium to enhance them.
Essentially, the reputation system serves as a deterrent for playing multiple characters. Now imagine if a character reached 50 on an account where the reputation was already Tier 5. In my excitement to make said character good, I would now be tempted (and probably would) purchase z-store credits to convert to dilithium and purchase services for said character, so that I might take advantage of all the reputation store and reputation based items that character would require.
Again, I understand the grind as a means to see the content, experience the content, participate in the game. But after having done it once, there is a bunch of that content that the player doesn't really want to have to see again. We've paid our dues, and now we just want to be at the point where our new characters can just be ready to purchase the items they desire.
Essentially, Cryptic.... there is a large population of players who aren't paying to equip their alt characters because we simply have no interest in going through the grind again. We would be more than willing to put more money into those characters were the grind removed, but as it stands, we can't be bothered to repeat the stuff we didn't enjoy the first time around.
Let us give you our money. The way things are set up now, you're actually depriving yourselves of income.
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You have proof of that? Some sort of metric that shows that most people only do the rep grind on one character per account? Or as is more likely, you are speaking only for yourself, and assuming everyone else feels like you?
If you do KDF, then you need to unlock it again for KDF side.
Edit: I am rep grinding my 2nd character using my 1st character to finance it (EC portion)
Please review my campaign and I'll return the favor.
The only annoying thing is it taks so fecking long.. but that the grind
that said if we get X ammount to teir 5... maybe we could get 1 token project.. thing so the next grinder gets a X% headstart?
If they do account wide reputation, then I can only see them doing this. For whatever reason, they might want to change the projects for each faction in a future reputation. There is talk about a crafting reputation and having Feds make KDF armor makes no sense.
People who enjoyed the grind are going to continue to do it whether there is a reputation system or not. The reputation system doesn't hinder nor support their efforts, as they are going to run those grind activities anyways.
Those who did not enjoy the grind (or who may have done the STF's and other activities so many times that they have become tedious), are at some point going to recognize that they play the game to have fun. If spending months grinding isn't fun for them any longer, they won't start it to begin with.
My own experience in talking with other players has always confirmed this:
Almost no one likes the idea of "grinding". And in fact, the grind itself is just a restraint that keeps players from spending money (dilithium) on the best end-game items.
Doing it once is fine, and supports interactive game-play. Doing it repetitively only serves to discourage repetition. As I said: the people who enjoy it will continue to do it anyways. Those who don't simply won't waste their time.
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I'd be fine with this.
Sounds good to me.
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lol just read the post above mine
This struck me as odd because that is not the impression I am getting at all from reading posts on the message board.
If the Rep System were account-wide then all anyone would have to do is spend money (for whatever reason) once - and that's it. According to the plan above, once is enough. Yet there are people wanting to go through the system again for other toons, so it makes more sense to keep the system character-locked. In other words - if you really want each character to be as awesome as the first, then you are gong to thave to play the system and pay the man.
Ultimately, it's a matter of choice: you've done it once. Did you like it? Yes = do it again, No = don't do it again. As the OP said later, if the grind was not fun to do, then eventually the game is played for "fun" and it'll have to be without the grind.
I'd find that liberating actually. No grind = more fun? Yes, please.
Well said
The rep system should be account wide. Actually, the rep system should not exist at all, but it does and I have only one character at tier 5, my other 6 50's are all at tier 0 and will stay there in their fleet gear.
In general I think Cryptic should be focusing on an Account strategy rather than the 8 character approach it currently has.
ya..you are wrong. Sorry
IF they rep system were account wide, the gear that is accessed by other characters on your account would still have to pay DIL for that gear, and most people will buy zen and convert to do so.
And contrary to popular belief, the rep system is not a favored game system atm. I have spoken with and watched many conversations about the sour nature toward this grind system. Alot of people want the old loot system back, including myself. A system where the game of luck played a hand, like almost any other MMO out there, kill boss=chance for something cool...not in STO...kill boss=chance to get the same worthless TRIBBLE as before.
And now with this new shiny rep system, not only is the gear that we like all the way up at tier 5, now we have to PAY FOR IT. The stuff may have sometimes taken awhile to get, but we did not have to replicate materials, pay dil or expertise for any of this stuff..it basically made STF's go from fun because of that chance you might get some good salvage or drop at the end to wow, this boring..oh hey look 60 omega marks and 960 dil, not like that drops every damn run...
the Time gated rep system is a joke, period. They took alot from us, and now they charge us for what they took..
Make it so Cryptic, it only puts me of playing other characters as it is.
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I certainly am proof of it. It's a waste of time for me to do my doff missions on my other two toons because i don't wish to spend months on 100k commendation points, might as well buy the doffs i need.
Not going thru the rep so my other two toons are basically using the fleet stuff only.
It's ridiculous, we're the same person across multiple toons I understand the need to level the toons separately but it's ridiculous to make the items you get from the rep stores character bound.
All items from reputation and from the fleet stores should ALL be bind to account. seriously there is no excuse.
It essentially boils down to choice: rep grind or don't ,check my signature all except 1 toon is tier 4 reputation and i just added a new toon over the weekend who is progressing through the rep grind.
The system was not set-up to cater to alt junkies (me,me raises hand, shhh quiet in the ranks petaQ, darn Trills), but anyway if you want all the shiny gear and captain passives you need to grind for it. Is it annoying and time consuming yep, gives me something to do until the may expansion though at which time there will be 2-3 new toons to the roster
You don't need the reputation or even great gear to get by in most pve/stf missions, the new toon is using grn mk x gear in the Gurumba at the moment and does fine in ISE.
So enjoy the game if you feel a little masocist that day you can always send an alt through the grind.
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Why not combine old and new?
Have reputation system be a way to get what you want 100% of the time but you have to pay for it but also have their be a chance to get random reputation gear drops.
Really, this boils down to "I want my end-game gear faster". That's fine, until you realize that once you get there, in your rush to get endgame gear, you've probably burnt yourself out playing and have nothing left to do anyways, which means you play less overall in the long run than you would otherwise. Look at WoW during vanilla and Burning Crusade as an exemplar of this: players got so sick of the content at top-level they only logged in for dailies and raids, and only then for the sake of getting gear, to make playing through content of which they're sick easier, in the game they didn't really play so much as suffer through at that point anyways.
I'm personally happy with the system, having played MMO's for over a decade. Since the barriers for building reputation are so low, and the process by which it's built is passive, I can keep the reputation projects going with an overall minimum of effort and most importantly, not doing the exact same two or three missions every day or else I end up heavily penalized in the long run. New Romulus is the "hardest" rep to build, and that involves doing the Tau Dewa dailies, or the New Romulus dailies, or the fleet actions, or just turning in an epohh and coasting for a week or so if I get tired of doing any of those prior choices. I don't find myself getting sick of content, or so burnt out that by the end of it I don't even want to play with my new toys, as was the case with a game like WoW that forced players to do the exact same content (whether it's a daily or an instance) every day for weeks or months without end, or else face penalty.
So really, relax, take your time and don't burn yourself out in the process. It's a much better experience overall for it.
Sure, once you get to tier V and start cashing in on reward projects it becomes a PITA, but this thread is about getting to tier V and not about getting the rewards proper and therefore slightly beyond the point.
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My personal pet peeve with reputation is not Omega marks but Romulan marks, yes there is bunny tagging but that is the necessary evil to get a lot of marks.
They should remove the cooldown on the Tau Dawa space dailies or have them at a 1 hour cd like stfs, Azura nebula is pitiful for 18marks, and mine trap while fun sometime others its just :eek: .
OR
They could add a Romulan themed sft-like mission "Help defeat the Tal Shiar renegades" or something as a space or ground que mission. If they made the ground mission like Defera is now with 3 levels of difficuly each awarding more marks and have the Hard mission crate award Romulan themed items: plasma-disruptor weapons, epohhs, etc. Heck you could even have the random Red Alerts on New Romulus award more marks for the Hirogen attacks or something.
I believe that would take some of the "drats its time to tag bunnies
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