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The dangers of neglecting real gamers
akurie666
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At the end of the day, the gamers make the game reviews and compare this game to other games of its kind. If we fail to keep up with the mmo race we will se the day that we do not have our beloved STO.
We survived the launch and 2 years of terrible reviews. CBS was very patient with us. But, will they allow us to fall behind again? They handle such an important franchise. Will they let a bad game that is being thrashed by the internet community tarnish their product?
There are a lot of new and VERY modern mmo games about to surface. What are we going to do to stay in the race?
We survived the launch and 2 years of terrible reviews. CBS was very patient with us. But, will they allow us to fall behind again? They handle such an important franchise. Will they let a bad game that is being thrashed by the internet community tarnish their product?
There are a lot of new and VERY modern mmo games about to surface. What are we going to do to stay in the race?
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They care very much. Why do you think it is so hard for cryptic to get permission to use ship modles?
The real danger in developers for a free to play game is making it to obstructed with pay to play. But thankfully that isn't the case in STO, unlike other Free to play models....
I disagree. There is more than money at stake here as far as they are concerned.
And, Infinate Space got canned.
Not true. A person who diddles on their phone is not a gamer. RP is not gaming.
Simple - the original artist, designer or studio that owns the rights to that ship, or even the actor appearances are asking for more money than Cryptic are prepared to pay.
Everything that CBS owns the rights to are potential revenue streams for them. They would not simple hold back on allowing people to use their ideas. The bottom lines is always the price.
If you play games, you're a gamer. You may be different kind of gamer than someone else who plays a different genre, has a different amount of investment in their games, or generally plays more or less than you do. But you're still a gamer.
Don't invent labels just to pointlessly elevate yourself.
And when this games revenue stream dries up because a player will only invest so much in a single game? If we fail to attract and keep new players we will be canned as well.
I'm not arguing the fact that games need players - ever MMO is struggling with player-loss right now. I'm simply saying that CBS doesn't care. They give no more thought to STO then they give someone wanting to make a Trek t-shirt collection. They'll Vet that just as they do STO, collect their License Fees and Royalties and keep on keeping on.
And there are many, many more like me who are getting tired of this underdeveloped enviornent. How would you feel if you spent 400 bucks on a game to be utterly disapointed in the end? I suspect you have donated nothing of your milk money and just troll the forums out of bordom.
Wrong
a person who "diddles" on their phone had better hope its water proof (Diddle has a slightly different meaning in some parts of Europe I suspect)
And RP is Gaming
Halo is NOT Gaming (its slaughter margin)
Rpgers were "Gamers " when computers had 128k of memory and played a game called "Tennis"
So show some respect
STO is Not an MMO
its a "Multi player Imersion Science Fiction Game"
Or "A Star trek Game"
or just "A bloody Good Game"
So perhaps you should stick to "diddling" on your X box
Remember the internet community is made up of literally millions of people
and less than 5% of them ever post on Twitter or other "lame" social media
CBS is getting what they want from this game
and if they decide to pull the license I shall regard the "slaughter margin" types as responsible
NOT Cryptic
And if CBS really felt as you do about more being at stake than money, 80% of the things that have had the Star Trek name on them would not. To them it's a franchise that failed them its last several times at bat, which spawned expensive lawsuits with Activision, bad press with Zenimax, and payment defaults from multiple licensees. It's only an important franchise to the fans - commercially for the last 14 years it's been troubled in the best of times.
They have consistently shot down any attempt to do anything but license the franchise, and they have licensed it to some very shady companies - Perpetual for example, which most experienced observers recognized as a investment furnace even before they started work on STO, and long before it finally became clear that they had nothing except unfinished 3d models and concept art to show for their staggering budget and years of "work." Oh, and they don't even have complete control over it, parts of it are owned by Paramount and some uses of what they do own can be blocked by Paramount.
CBS has no liability with STO. They will be paid their license and not care, or they will not and they will revoke the license, after which they will no longer care. There is nothing at stake for them.
Dare I say that I agree with you Sollvax...
HERE HERE!!!
The only true gamers are the ones that love their game and play it to the max. Whether or not this game is pushing to the bleeding edge of technology or combat system means nothing as long as it is profitable.
The world is changing akurie666. The MMO is adapting.
We are all real gamers, everyone who logs into this game is a real gamer because they are real people logging into a game to play.
The people who have used this title "Real Gamers" or "Real Players" are those who generally are trying to cast fear and doubt on the success on the product in order to push their agenda to make this game more like their vision whether a good idea or not, in order to make the game more like what they wish it to be, the rest of the community be d*mned.
Usually people I've seen this argument come from are the elitist raider types who want unique or extremely rare gear, or something to make themselves stand out, they want nothing more then to rub in the face of other players something that they achieved in the game (usually by random chance like random drops from raid bosses) a piece of gear or achievement that could not normally be achieved by other people. They want something along the lines of having the best display from pvp matches so they can prance in the community areas so that everyone will know that they are better-then.
This argument is as old as mmo games are and if we actually paid attention to what makes a game fun rather then what makes a game cater to niche players, then success is almost ensured.
Now I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement for this game but the things that I and people like me propose to the devs aren't there to give advantage to any one set of players, it's there to make sure balance is made, that the ui and controls are easy to use and modern, and that the creation of content is the same as those found in the new games made by the same overall company (foundry).
If that is true and is the actual state of the world... I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Wow 400 bucks
lets see
With subscription , Zen purchases and some peoples life time sub
I would imagine pretty much Everyone in this Thread has spent that (certainly anyone with a "career officer" tag probably has.
I just hit 300 days in an Average month I spend ?45 on zen (am not sure what that is in dollars these days)
I do not regret ANY of it (although I do regret spending zen on enlarging my bank by accident)
400 bucks buys a lot of chocolate milk.
Then, Please. Let me escort you to the airlock. By the way, Can I haz ur stuffz?
As for the dollar amount, I have spent maybe $100 lifetime total on this game. That's spaced over 14 months and includes $50 for the Vesta. And I am still very happy with my game.
Money=/= fun.
Planets don't have airlocks...
Not your style of gaming no but they are gamers like it or not, no amount of your opinions can change that fact. If it is a game and they are playing it somewhat regularly not just one time and didn't like it. They are gamers. They maybe casual phone gamers who just like games like angry birds, but its a still a game and they are still gamers.
If you would have said hardcore gamers maybe you would have a point but hardcore gamers are no more REAL then anyone else. So please don't put your opinions on what you like in gaming is any more superior to what anyone else likes in gaming.
Cbs while hopes for the success in sto they have nothing invested in this game if it fails they only hold the rights.
And planets DO have airlocks (most of earths being on ships and submarines)
But if you really want to leave
http://www.virgingalactic.com/
Can help you
Or Linx are running a competition
He'd be shoehorning lyrics into the music so he'd get 50% composition credit. Or he'd change Captain Shon to Captain Shone and getting 50% writing credit on anything involving the Enterprise-F. Man was positively shameless.
"Real gamers." it sounds like something that makes sense. Only it's meaningless:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
Since nobody exists who gets to define the relative "realness" of one's gamer-ism over another's, this precious "real gamer" creature is pointless "I was into x before it was cool" hipster nonsense.