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duaths1duaths1 Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
so, Cryptic, you did it.

after the initial rage over not giving Romulans a proper Homeworld and fleet holdings,
(we can and will create something in the Foundry, and i really hope, there will be something more than a few tents on NR to be called our home)
how about giving us a refaction token?

You know you will do this. We know you will.

Just tell us when and how much.

(and i really hoped for 3 factions. FED, KDF and THE OTHERS UNITED)

btw - you really should DO SOMETHING with the FED/KDF war, cause really, nobody feels it now, not even my targ.
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  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,331 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    This does not sound like it would ever work.
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  • duaths1duaths1 Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    westx211 wrote: »
    This does not sound like it would ever work.

    why not? the only thing that makes the difference now is the PVE content 1-20 and the increased access to Romulan + original/choosen faction ships.
  • auriciusauricius Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I'm afraid the only possible solution would be "reboxing" your character, similarly to the proposed idea of "reboxing" lockbox ships. You'd probably lose access to your previously acquired ships (naturally), but you might get your free token for each tier, thus that problem is solved. Migrating assetts wouldn't be a real problem I guess, but there could be issues regarding unique and/or retired equipment and of course bridge officers. That'd take a good amount of brainstorming and probably months of testing before finally implementing a bug free and expensive procedure. If I were Cryptic I'd probably charge more for a single token, than the most expensive C-store ships, or even the ship packs! That is if they managed to move most of your acquired assets, items and other goodies. The plain "reboxing" solution would probably cost around 1500-2000 zen, which would probably have you reacquire all the stuff you got earlier - you might as well start a new character at that point.
  • duaths1duaths1 Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    auricius wrote: »
    I'm afraid the only possible solution would be "reboxing" your character, similarly to the proposed idea of "reboxing" lockbox ships. You'd probably lose access to your previously acquired ships (naturally), but you might get your free token for each tier, thus that problem is solved. Migrating assetts wouldn't be a real problem I guess, but there could be issues regarding unique and/or retired equipment and of course bridge officers. That'd take a good amount of brainstorming and probably months of testing before finally implementing a bug free and expensive procedure. If I were Cryptic I'd probably charge more for a single token, than the most expensive C-store ships, or even the ship packs! That is if they managed to move most of your acquired assets, items and other goodies. The plain "reboxing" solution would probably cost around 1500-2000 zen, which would probably have you reacquire all the stuff you got earlier - you might as well start a new character at that point.

    why reboxing?
    i have a perfectly good KDF toon, so i buy the token, get to be romulan, retrait, gain access to romulan ships and uniforms, change appearance.

    everything else stays the same, as Romulans in KDF have access to all the KDF ships there are.
    Even the bloody doff's!

    i really, frankly believe they already have this in mind, but, just not at Romulan launch. they let us grind the new toons till august/september 2013, then they introduce this token.

    i would do it.
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  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    "no" is not strong enough a word.

    The one sacred inviolable principle that cryptic has done the right thing on, and which must be maintained forever at all costs, is

    NOT ONE FEDERATION CAPTAIN FLYING A ROMULAN SHIP. EVER.

    Unfortunately it will be possible the other way around.... :P
  • nabuborianabuboria Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Should be free choice to change, when ever you want.

    People defect all the time in war, why should this be any different?

    Also off-topic but I'm not happy about the change to how ships work.

    now by the sounds of it war-birds are going to be OP. with them not following the traditional tac/eng/sci line.

    ah well...
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  • duaths1duaths1 Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    why not?

    afraid of the noob wave incoming to the KDF? not going to happen - they ALL hate the red UI
  • logicalspocklogicalspock Member Posts: 836 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I think it depends on what you mean by "refaction". Since the Romulan faction is limited to Romulan, Remand, and premium Romulan type alien, if you are suggesting existing characters be able to "refaction", it seems utterly ridiculous.

    If you mean a token to "refaction" Romulan characters so that a KDF Romulan could, for instance, become a Federation Romulan, I fully support that. I know it is more work for Cryptic but they should just add it as part of the respec token abilities.

    Respec token should allow you to reselect all your reputation bonuses as well as your KDF/Federation allegiance if playing as a non-KDF/FED faction.
  • duaths1duaths1 Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    To the OP - Nice way to stay on topic with a post. A clear thesis, no digression, no tangents, good clear straightforward sense....

    ....
    ........

    Actually, it's not clear at all to me what you're talking about.

    not clear? what? that there really are not going to be 3 factions?

    that i just don't need to grind the same content for the 100th time and would like to play as a "real" Romulan with the same toon on which i am faking a Romulan with an "alien" for almost 3 years now?

    that in the times of big changes - new reputation, new trait system, etc... it would be appropriate to have a way to BUY my way into the content in an F2P game?
  • jacenjacen24jacenjacen24 Member Posts: 159 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    As much as i want it as well. I dont think it would work. It would basically be like deleting your current character and starting a new one
  • duaths1duaths1 Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    As much as i want it as well. I dont think it would work. It would basically be like deleting your current character and starting a new one

    in this light - what is a Romulan joining the Federation/KDF?

    will we be playing a new toon, or just replaying the old missions after the tutorial?

    also, DStahl didn't tell anything about foundry. Will there be a Romulan foundry section, accessible only by Romulan toons?
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  • duaths1duaths1 Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    Problem is this.

    Select KDF, join a Fleet with a T5 Shipyard, buy Fleet B'rel, respect as Fed, Fed Fleet B'rel.

    This allows sidestep into getting BoPs as Fed, unless Cryptic is wise enough to limit Shipyard access to ONLY Romulan Fleet Ships and disallow access to KDF/Fed Fleet ships.

    Other option is keeping the ship BUT not allow to use it UNLESS you are of the ship faction otherwise we will be seeing KDF Fleet Defiants and Fed Fleet Tor'Kahts flying around.

    in fact, i've meant only a one way token for existing toons to be transformed to a Romulan, with binding allegiance (toon originally KDF = you get a Romulan in KDF, toon in FED = you'll get a Romulan aligned with the UFP). NOT a refaction token per-se.

    That way the fake Romulans will get their D'Deridex and nobody will be harmed. Not even cryptic's databanks ;)
  • jacenjacen24jacenjacen24 Member Posts: 159 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    duaths1 wrote: »
    in this light - what is a Romulan joining the Federation/KDF?

    will we be playing a new toon, or just replaying the old missions after the tutorial?

    also, DStahl didn't tell anything about foundry. Will there be a Romulan foundry section, accessible only by Romulan toons?

    They did say that they will have a complete and separate story arc. Prolly get you to 20ish.


    And in their defense the reason they aren't going to have new fleets is to prevent it feeling like just starting over.

    Instead of a re-faction. Call it a defection token. You keep ships and gear you are just runnin to the otherside
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  • duaths1duaths1 Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    They did say that they will have a complete and separate story arc. Prolly get you to 20ish.


    And in their defense the reason they aren't going to have new fleets is to prevent it feeling like just starting over.

    Instead of a re-faction. Call it a defection token. You keep ships and gear you are just runnin to the otherside

    nope, cause my toon was created as an alien/romulan, there just weren't any at that point.

    the missions are scalable, so i could still play them, would only get MK XI rewards.
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    Thats impossible because it would allow Humans on the Romulan Republic, or Klingons for that matter ... there is no way it can check for race.

    Besides 1-50 is what? 2 weeks?

    grinding Reputations and gear is what - 8 weeks?

    there is a way to check for the race, as all dialogues have been rewritten to ask for RACE, not faction.

    the token would in fact NOT change your faction, but RACE. as that is what they are introducing:


    a new race, playable by both factions, with race exclusive ships and a few exclusive recolored missions. nothing more. not even a DOFF system, Homeworld or foundry. they just decided to call it a faction.
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I think it depends on what you mean by "refaction". Since the Romulan faction is limited to Romulan, Remand, and premium Romulan type alien, if you are suggesting existing characters be able to "refaction", it seems utterly ridiculous.

    If you mean a token to "refaction" Romulan characters so that a KDF Romulan could, for instance, become a Federation Romulan, I fully support that. I know it is more work for Cryptic but they should just add it as part of the respec token abilities.

    Respec token should allow you to reselect all your reputation bonuses as well as your KDF/Federation allegiance if playing as a non-KDF/FED faction.

    I will use DDO as an example. If you want to fully respec in DDO, you need to reincarnate. A lesser reincarante will basically remove all the xp of your character, and bring you back to the character creation panel. You can't change your race/gender/name, but a race change should be allowed in STO. Then, once your character is "redone", you earn the exact amount of XP you had before the reincarnation, and re-lvlup your character, changing whatever you want in the process.
    You keep every items you had before, the same lvl, and reputation.

    A true reincarnation reset your character, and allow you to change your race, and almost everything. However, you loose your lvl, reputation... You only keep the name and the items.

    Both or one of them could be used in STO. Use a token, change your species and faction to romulan, star again. Or gain the same amount of XP, and just change your faction.

    A lot of player already have a Romulan (alien), and will have to redo everything when LoR comes. Including lockbox ship, event items... Some of them will simply be impossible to have later on the new character.
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  • wildweasalwildweasal Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    auricius wrote: »
    I'm afraid the only possible solution would be "reboxing" your character, similarly to the proposed idea of "reboxing" lockbox ships. You'd probably lose access to your previously acquired ships (naturally), but you might get your free token for each tier, thus that problem is solved. Migrating assetts wouldn't be a real problem I guess, but there could be issues regarding unique and/or retired equipment and of course bridge officers. That'd take a good amount of brainstorming and probably months of testing before finally implementing a bug free and expensive procedure. If I were Cryptic I'd probably charge more for a single token, than the most expensive C-store ships, or even the ship packs! That is if they managed to move most of your acquired assets, items and other goodies. The plain "reboxing" solution would probably cost around 1500-2000 zen, which would probably have you reacquire all the stuff you got earlier - you might as well start a new character at that point.

    come on they aren't gonna do that when to save them selves work and time just make you reroll plus they know if they don't do this you wont leave .....so they don't care
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  • wardmattwardmatt Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Now when i heard that you had to choose a side of the war i was pissed that you couldn't change your choice. That does not seem very Romulan to me. If i recall it seemed that the Romulans were changing sides all the time in the tv shows. so this is what i propose as a system for the game.

    Each Romulan character would have faction points based on actions in the game. The more they worked for the Federation they would get Fed points. The more they work for the KDF they would get KDF point.

    Lets say for instance to join the FEDs you need 1000 Fed faction points. So you would go out and battle in areas of the game be it PVP or STFs or whatever. You would get point towards that. and you would be able to join the feds.

    Now Lets say you one day want to change faction for whatever reason. you would have an option to drop your status as a Fed allied captain. but you would still have the faction points. As you would do things for the KDF you would get points, but before you would add to your pool of points for KDF it would take away points from your FED faction point pool.

    So for example :
    Your captian has 1000 Fed points.

    You drop faction and go do a KDF mission that gives you 10 KDF points.

    Your captain would then have 990 Fed points. you would have to do this untill you reache 0 Fed points Then you could start making Kdf points.
    so once you join a faction it would take double the points to switch sides.
    But hey that would make it to easy to switch sides some will say. So to balance it every time you switch sides the amount of points you need to get in order to join a faction will increase.

    For instance:
    The cost to join Feds is 1000

    You drop the FED faction and make KDF points 1000 to remove the points you already have in your FED pool. Then you make 1000 KDF points for a total of 2000 to switch to KDF.

    Now lets say you want to go back to the Fed side. The fed point requirement would raise to say 2000.

    You would then have to negate your KDF points and then raise 2000 FED points to join back with the Feds.

    Cryptic could then offer a C-store item to lower the penalty for switching sides.

    Everybody wins.
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