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The possibility of a Romulan faction waltzing into STO and all the hype that caught up with some people on the forums, reminded me of an old rivalry.
Now, first of all this tread is NOT about:
-Wheather the hype about a Rommie faction is reasonable or not
-Wheather there will be a Romulan faction in the next update or not
-Will the KDF be fully completed before introduction of Romulans
-How a third faction will influence the development of the KDF
What I wanted is to ask is how all the fellow warriors of the KDF would view a RSE faction introduction in STO?
I myself, have always been supportive of the idea to have a Romulan faction in STO. Not because I have an intention of playing as one (okay, if there is a Rom. faction I'd check it out as every human being to see what's new around, but don't intend to play them), but because of what it could bring on the table.
I'm more of a fan of the Klingon - Romulan rivalry and for me having the opportunity to fight against actual Romulan players in their green ships would vastly increase the fun levels of the game. Feds. don't amuse me any more. :P
Also, I consider the possibility of 3-way open PvP to be refreshing and to open up many new possibilities.
I mentioned this in a post elsewhere, but the way I see it is: battlecloak on, drinking raktajino in a battle zone, observing the casual Fed. roaming around. A Romulan ship decloaks and catches the Fed. off guard by surprise, they engage each other and then - well it's bye bye Rommie time!
Oh, the possibility to blast those green warbirds seems so fun! :cool:
If Romulan faction ever comes, I'm giving the Feds. more breathing space and setting my targeting systems to green! :P
I was wondering, how would other KDF players see and act on the Romulans in game?
Now, first of all this tread is NOT about:
-Wheather the hype about a Rommie faction is reasonable or not
-Wheather there will be a Romulan faction in the next update or not
-Will the KDF be fully completed before introduction of Romulans
-How a third faction will influence the development of the KDF
What I wanted is to ask is how all the fellow warriors of the KDF would view a RSE faction introduction in STO?
I myself, have always been supportive of the idea to have a Romulan faction in STO. Not because I have an intention of playing as one (okay, if there is a Rom. faction I'd check it out as every human being to see what's new around, but don't intend to play them), but because of what it could bring on the table.
I'm more of a fan of the Klingon - Romulan rivalry and for me having the opportunity to fight against actual Romulan players in their green ships would vastly increase the fun levels of the game. Feds. don't amuse me any more. :P
Also, I consider the possibility of 3-way open PvP to be refreshing and to open up many new possibilities.
I mentioned this in a post elsewhere, but the way I see it is: battlecloak on, drinking raktajino in a battle zone, observing the casual Fed. roaming around. A Romulan ship decloaks and catches the Fed. off guard by surprise, they engage each other and then - well it's bye bye Rommie time!
Oh, the possibility to blast those green warbirds seems so fun! :cool:If Romulan faction ever comes, I'm giving the Feds. more breathing space and setting my targeting systems to green! :P
I was wondering, how would other KDF players see and act on the Romulans in game?
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More targets! Bring 'em on!
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Warbirds blow up pretty.
In a perfect world of STO, I would have loved to see 4 full factions, fleshed out with a good selection of inherent faction ships. Not this terrible looking mismatched fleet we have now with ships mixed in from too many sources on whatever side.
I would have loved to see with some stories:
Federation - Stretched to the very limits, more so than the terrible Dominion War from decades past. In between the Borg, Undine (which they choose to ignore), and the war with the Klingons, as well as trying to defend by far the largest single territory in the quadrant, Starfleet is stretched to its limits. Unlike the Dominion War, it has no outside allies of any notable strength. The Klingons are again enemies, Cardassia is still a smouldering ruin, and of all the idiotic things, the Federation insists in interfering with the Romulans' internal affairs. Starfleet is still easily the largest military power in the quadrant, but it's stretched far too thin. The quadrant is going to crash down on the Federation, and Starfleet must meet the threats while spread out all over the place.
Klingon Empire - Klingons live for battle and a chance to earn glory. And the quadrant is in total chaos. Across the quadrant, everybody is focused primarily on the war between the Klingons and Federation. And what better joy is there to make small jabs at their old racial enemies, the Romulans as a sideshow? But only the Klingons seem to comprehend the extend of the Undine threat which still persists, not to mention new Borg incursions. But the Chancellor knows that the Empire is on the verge of putting itself in the same position as the Federation... war and glory is good, but grand strategy shows that with all the threats out there and a tough war with the Federation, the Empire will be stretched too thin.
Romulan Star Empire - As an officer in the Romulan navy, you are serving an Empire that has been terribly weakened and fragmented. The loss of Romulus will never be healed. There is a breakaway element of the Romulans, and the Remans have taken advantage for independence in light of the Empire's weakness, and there's little it can do to stop it at the moment. Even the vaunted Tal Shiar has suffered severe reversals. The original government left by Empress Sela is in shambles due to her disappearance and several powerful figures are vying for the throne. On top of this, both the Federation and Klingons, seeing the Empire at its weakest state in its history have seen fit to meddle with its internal affairs. They both seek to break up any chance of the Romulans from reunifying any of its strength left from the home planet's destruction.
IMO, the Romulans have a very great potential for a storied campaign of revenge.
- You will participate in a civil war between competitors trying to replace Sela as Emperor / Empress. Eventually, one will be decided. Maybe Sela herself returns?
- With the original Romulan Empire's government and power more solidified, it is now time to take action against these "Reunification" separatists in New Romulus, and to finish for good the rebelling Remans. The Romulan military with its rallied Tal Shiar will wage a campaign of annihalation. To crush these Reunification and Reman separatists. Wipe them out... all of them. Beat the Romulan Reunificationists into submission. Break the Remans for good so that they will never, ever be in strength anymore to stab the backs of the Empire.
- In dealing with the Reunificationists and Reman rebels, this will draw the ire of both the Federation and Klingon Empire. Encountering their forces as you increasingly grind the rebels under the Empire's heel will be expected. And you will deal with them. After all, it is their will that they wanted to interfere in Romulan internal affairs. It is the Federation and Klingons that both decided to carve up and divide the Empire at its weakest point in history. The Romulan military will wage another campaign to drive out for good the Federation and Klingon invaders out of its space.
- With the forceful, bloody, and very satisfying effort in kicking out the Federation, Klingons, and destroying any hint of rebellion, the newly reunified Romulan Star Empire needs to recover. But at the same time, insults from recent years cannot be ignored. To keep its neighboring foes at bay, the Romulan Empire seeks to solidify its power, but it must send some forces still to conduct offensives to keep the Federation and Klingons on their toes. They must be taught a lesson that they must again respect Romulan military might. What better way to do it than launching attacks on their bases along the Neutral Zones? And to send long ranged, cloaked strike forces deep behind their territories to cause chaos and destruction?
Lots of insults have been levied against the Romulan Empire while it was weak. Now it's time for the Empire to return the favor...
Dominion - TBD... but they do know what's going on in the Alpha Quadrant. And they do relish the alliance that once stood against them has shattered completely. The fact that DS9, a location of such strategic importance, fell (although temporary) to a single, lost Dominion fleet speaks volumes about the strength of its old foes. Opportunity awaits...
1) the federation isn't ignoring the Undine they just don't use it as an excuse to invade other powers like the Klingons do, 2) D'tan is the closed thing to a functional Romulan government mostly becuase he isn't deluded enough to think the Romulans are still a mighty empire with their homeworld destroyed and their last leaders being a dupe for the people who destroyed their homeworld, and a tyrant that only focused on either devoting her military solely to revenge or crushing Romulans who are starting to move on with their lives, and their intelligence agency is in the pocket of the guys who blew up their homeworld. he's also the only one actually trying to rebuild the empire so yes the federation is helping him. 3) The federation is hardly stretched thin as The Romulans aren't that big a threat seeing as Starfleet kicked their butts in orbit of their own capital planet, the Klingons are contained for the most part, the Undine don't really do anything major except fight the Borg, and the Borg kind of look like their losing.
1) J'mpok is the one keeping the war with the federation going and doesn't seem to care if the KDF is stretched thin or not, 2) The only thing the Klingons are doing about the Undine is using them as an excuse to invade other planets.
Yeah, as said above their homeworld is gone, their too busy killing each other, their intelligence agency is headless and working for the Iconians, Their military strength is so sad Starfleet invaded their homeworld space and ignored their complaints and that was before the civil war environment, a lot of their population don't seem to give a TRIBBLE about the glory days Sela thinks are coming back, the Remans have the Vault and its Thalaron generator, and D'tan is the only Romulan political figure important enough for anyone to deal with, and they weren't even seen as important enough to get an invite to the Borg conference, the freaking Deferi and Cardassians were seen as more important to the fight than the Romulans, so yeah they are out classed by a group with dinky little ships and a power that doesn't even have a military anymore
In short the Romulan Star Empire is not going to make a glorious return and "return the favor" they are a broken group with an empire in shambles that is a minor threat at least. At best the empire is a minor threat that can annoy the federation and Klingons and maybe pose a threat to colonies and outposts. At worse its canon fodder for the Iconians to use in their invasion.
DS9 fell to a surprise attack which is only good at the start of a Dominion invasion, they didn't keep DS9, their enemies had no problem coming together to repel the attack, and it only took so long becuase the federation wanted to negotiate when they found out where the fleet was from, when the actual battle started the Dominion fleet got creamed.
I so look forward to a three way Ker'rat.
I also look forward to trading insults with those green-blooded petaQ'pu.
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Like the OP said, this is not the scoop of this thread....
^My opinions in red.
Now, to get back to the topic:
I'm not interested in forging any alliances with those pointy-eared decievers. I know by now that the Romulan petaQ' would only stab me in the back.
I'd rather blow them back to New Romulus, Rator III, Iconia or wherever they'd spawn from and deal with the Feds. later even if they are superior in numbers. Hadn't really bothered me so far.
I share your thinking on this. Star Trek has always traditionally had three main factions: Federation, Klingon, Romulan. A fourth brings more variety to the table, and I've always felt it would be Dominion as an appropriate choice. The Dominion's campaign missions have so much potential: their "neutrality" now, imposed by a war they barely lost (technically they only lost in the Alpha Quadrant, despite the Founders being infected by a virus), gives them the opportunity to play the role of a still-ambiguous friend-or-foe. Dominion missions could involve moral quandaries: pacifying rebellious planetary populations and putting down resistance, or engaging in subterfuge and intrigue and diplomacy to secure new Dominion territories, or missions under orders from Odo and the Great Link to assist the Federation/Klingon Empire.
There's a lot of potential with this game... I really can't stress that point. There is a guaranteed loyal player base with anything branded, in all seriousness, as Star Trek. This game is immersive and has a great foundation. I'm saddened that people like Dan Stahl squander all of it just to continue TRIBBLE out STO for as much microtransaction money as possible.
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Of course, and I agree with you. That's why I said temporary alliances. Say, if the Federation presence in a Ker'rat zone outnumbers the combined KDF and Romulan presence 2 to 1. . .it may behoove us to cooperate until the Federation weaklings are driven off. Then we can go back to fighting the Romulans
It does make me wonder if any Klingon fans actually work at Cryptic.
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Yeah, I don't like it either. I could've sworn at one point someone said Season 8 would be 'all about the KDF'. That would be the upcoming stuff in May, not the March update.
We'll just have to wait and see, I guess. Not much else one can do.
What do you mean by "the KDF was folded into the new Romulan content"?
We haven't seen any trace of anything KDF related folding into anything so far. Share some info if you know sth. new, so far I know that a new tutorial has been discussed, with the possibility to start from lvl 1 - which is highly speculative so far as it has not been confirmed.
I kinda' expected that the promotions/teasers and upcoming content would be Romulan related, they've said their plan for that even before they stopped calling the next update Season 8.
I always saw anything that the KDF would get, the S8 being positive for KDF and all according to mr.Stahl, would be sort of parallel and entangled within the next update as a bonus to the KDF on what we've been missing, while the next content be made usable by all and Romulan-centric.
I think he means Klingons running around on New Romulus (S7), using Federation Tricorders to scan water samples and Federation Phasers to repair shuttles etc. even though the Klingons and Romulans should actualy be at each others' throats.;)
More characters are always fun to me even though a lot of people claim they are hard and obsolete.
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Ah, well, that makes sense if it's what he meant. I'm always annoyed about lack of detail of something that is so easy to make and correct when the mistake has been already made.
On the other hand, considering that the KDF in STO is not 'Klingon Only', our involvement in New Romulus makes sense to the Orions, Nausicaans and Letheans for ex. as I'm pretty sure they'd look forward to take advantage of D'Tan's pacifist faction.
Besides, having watched all Star Trek there is, I'm very aware that the Klingons are not simpletons and brutes, but rather intelligent and resorcefull. If D'Tan's tech and Boffs he offers in exchange help me enhance my B'rel's cloak so I can shove several dozens of torpedoes to the ***** Empress, I'll help him out.
Ah, so I should be looking for you through my targeting systems in the future!
Jokes aside, I have Fed. chars as well, but my main is KDF and that is not likely to change, just as I supose your main would be RSE if and when you get your faction. If there is a RSE faction, I'll have a char there for ocassional play just as I do my Fed., but I'll still play KDF main, that's what I meant.
BTW, how do you mean 'hard and obsolete'??
New Farmville, err Romulus. I just think D'tan overestimates a Klingon Generals interest in tagging space bunnies and "fighting" mighty space moskitos.
Nah, that's just the usual MO of Cryptic when it comes to 'universal' content. Make it from a Federation perspective, and then throw a thin, measly, unconvincing KDF wrapper on it for the KDF faction.
I would have been done with it anyways if it werent for that fool J'mpok sending me to Mars instead. :rolleyes:
ATM I'm actually more interested in crushing the Romulans, we can leave Earth alone for the time being seeing how the Feds. are all about peace and stuff, I don't see them as immediate threat.
Ofcourse if something like this happens:
then I'm game about attacking Earth, western U.S. to be more precise. For that Cryptic would have to pay!
BTW I see what you did there, tancrediiv!
Oh, come on, I've been looking for a way to kill Sela ever since I joined STO. It's my single most hated character in the whole Trek universe.
I know that the Duras are nothing more than treacherous targs and J'mpok being their petaQ pawn, but if they allign the KDF with Sela, this is one warrior that will defect to Starfleet. I'm with anyone that goes after her, hell even the Ferengi if they're up for it! :P
But really, if Sela becomes ally of the KDF it is game over for me on the red side, I'll wake up my Andorian and go blue. I couldn't bare working or cooperating with Sela.
It's one of the many reasons for my take on a Romulan campaign.
For me, New Romulus is just *all wrong*. You have 3 of the major power groups of the quadrant sitting in a pretty planet. These 3 powers have had several major conflicts with each other, 2 of them are longtime blood enemies, yet here they are sitting around a campfire singing cumbaya and roasting marshmallows on New Romulus. It's so pretty and happy over there, the only things missing on that planet is a pretty rainbow with flying pink and purple ponies. And a Unicorn.
I don't want the New Romulan Empire.
I want the Romulan Star Empire.
Can I get an Amen brothers and sisters?
AMEN!
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