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still lots of lower tier kdf ship models to make fleet ships into
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namely the escorts. the feds have great escorts with all sorts of station setups, the 2 big ones the feds have and the kdf don't are the MVAM setup and the armatige setup. the kdf also dont have any escorts with 5 tac consoles, wile the feds have 2.
well, its a good thing the tier 3 and tier 4 rapter models remain unused for anything at end game, might as well make fleet ships out of them to fill in the escort gaps
fleet Qorgh retrofit
ship yard tier 4
34,650 hull
.92 shield mod
16 turn rate
4/3 weapons
consoles:
2 eng
3 sci
5 tac
stations:
COM tac
LTC sci
LT tac
LT eng
ENS tac
fed counterpart= fleet MVAM. no mvam, but it would cloak
fleet Pach retrofit
ship yard tier 5
36,300 hull
.92 shield mod
15 turn rate
4/3 weapons
consoles:
3 eng
2 sci
5 tac
stations:
COM tac
LTC eng
LT tac
LT sci
ENS tac
fed counterpart= armatige, no hanger but again, it can cloak
thers some very nice c store costume for each these ships too, make a fleet version and people would actually have a reason to buy it. for both these ships, and the low tier versions, i think a 1 turn rate buff, like the advanced and patrol got, and later the saber got as well, all the way to 17, would be appropriate. with the somraw and Qorgh having 17 turn, and the Pach having 16.
theres also that andorian ship with its 5 forward weapons, something i somehow doubt the kdf will ever see a big c store 3 pack escort release featuring such a ship armed like that. BUT, there is the VERY underwhelming fleet qin that could be modified into something useful. i can guaranty not a single owner of the current fleet qin would object to this, make that ship's weapon loadout 5/2, with no other changes. all the kdf escorts would be great then
theres also the tier 4 bird of prey, and the tier 5 bird of prey that they could make a fleet ship out of.
Fleet Ki'tang Bird-of-Prey Retrofit
ship yard tier 3
26,450 hull
.92 shield mod
21 turn rate
4/2 weapon
consoles:
3 eng
4 sci
3 tac
stations:
COM uni
LTC uni
LT uni
LT uni
a fleet bop with a 4th sci console is a niche not filled yet, the Hoh'SuS has the 4th tac console and the brel has a 4th eng console already. just a sci console might not be much of a draw, so it has a higher shield mod, like that of a kdf escort. theres also a costume for this ship that people would be inclined to get if they could use it at end game.
Fleet Hegh'ta Heavy Bird-of-Prey
ship yard tier 4
26,400 hull
.88 shield mod
21 turn rate
4/3 weapons
consoles:
3 eng
3 sci
3 tac
stations:
COM uni
LTC uni
LT uni
LT uni
ENS uni
the fleet version of the tier 5 bop's special feature is that it has that missing ens station all other ships have, universal of course.thats hardly better then 2 LTC stations, so this also has the missing 3rd aft weapon an escort would have.
it sounds like there is a c store negvar on the horizon, with the regent's station setup. excited to hear about that! how about a little speculation
chancellor gowron's negvar
42,900 hull
1.1 shield mod
9 turn rate
5/3 weapons
consoles:
4 eng
2 sci
4 tac
stations:
COM eng
LTC tac
LT eng
LT uni
ENS tac
special: a disruptor clone of the andorian wing guns. these would fire from the under slung guns the negvar had in DS9. the negvar we have in game now is basicly the one we say in AGT, not DS9. the wing guns are the perfect tech to apply to a ship like the DS9 neg, and ther perfect ship to give a 5th forward weapon too. it might not be an escort, but its a big powerful cruiser, it will be awesome
1 more kdf cruiser to go, the originally tier 2 K'Tanco. 1 cruiser setup the kdf does not have yet is a clone of the excelsior station setup. that would be awesome on a awesome turning, DHC using KDF cruiser
Fleet K'Tanco Retrofit
ship yard tier 4
34,450 hull
1.1 shield mod
13 turn rate
4/4 weapons
consoles:
4 eng
2 sci
4 tac
stations:
COM eng
LTC tac
LT eng
LT sci
ENS eng
fed counterpart= excelsior
this one, maybe they should nerf its turn down to 12, lest it be too good. or not, ether way, would be an awesome ship
oh and last but not least, the fleet Guramba
fleet Guramba
ship yard tier 5
34,650 hull
.99 shield mod
15 turn
4/3 weapons
3 eng
3 sci
4 tac
stations:
COM tac
LTC tac
LT sci
LT eng
ENS tac
Abilities:
Siege Mode
Javelin
well, its a good thing the tier 3 and tier 4 rapter models remain unused for anything at end game, might as well make fleet ships out of them to fill in the escort gaps
fleet Qorgh retrofit
ship yard tier 4
34,650 hull
.92 shield mod
16 turn rate
4/3 weapons
consoles:
2 eng
3 sci
5 tac
stations:
COM tac
LTC sci
LT tac
LT eng
ENS tac
fed counterpart= fleet MVAM. no mvam, but it would cloak
fleet Pach retrofit
ship yard tier 5
36,300 hull
.92 shield mod
15 turn rate
4/3 weapons
consoles:
3 eng
2 sci
5 tac
stations:
COM tac
LTC eng
LT tac
LT sci
ENS tac
fed counterpart= armatige, no hanger but again, it can cloak
thers some very nice c store costume for each these ships too, make a fleet version and people would actually have a reason to buy it. for both these ships, and the low tier versions, i think a 1 turn rate buff, like the advanced and patrol got, and later the saber got as well, all the way to 17, would be appropriate. with the somraw and Qorgh having 17 turn, and the Pach having 16.
theres also that andorian ship with its 5 forward weapons, something i somehow doubt the kdf will ever see a big c store 3 pack escort release featuring such a ship armed like that. BUT, there is the VERY underwhelming fleet qin that could be modified into something useful. i can guaranty not a single owner of the current fleet qin would object to this, make that ship's weapon loadout 5/2, with no other changes. all the kdf escorts would be great then
theres also the tier 4 bird of prey, and the tier 5 bird of prey that they could make a fleet ship out of.
Fleet Ki'tang Bird-of-Prey Retrofit
ship yard tier 3
26,450 hull
.92 shield mod
21 turn rate
4/2 weapon
consoles:
3 eng
4 sci
3 tac
stations:
COM uni
LTC uni
LT uni
LT uni
a fleet bop with a 4th sci console is a niche not filled yet, the Hoh'SuS has the 4th tac console and the brel has a 4th eng console already. just a sci console might not be much of a draw, so it has a higher shield mod, like that of a kdf escort. theres also a costume for this ship that people would be inclined to get if they could use it at end game.
Fleet Hegh'ta Heavy Bird-of-Prey
ship yard tier 4
26,400 hull
.88 shield mod
21 turn rate
4/3 weapons
consoles:
3 eng
3 sci
3 tac
stations:
COM uni
LTC uni
LT uni
LT uni
ENS uni
the fleet version of the tier 5 bop's special feature is that it has that missing ens station all other ships have, universal of course.thats hardly better then 2 LTC stations, so this also has the missing 3rd aft weapon an escort would have.
it sounds like there is a c store negvar on the horizon, with the regent's station setup. excited to hear about that! how about a little speculation
chancellor gowron's negvar
42,900 hull
1.1 shield mod
9 turn rate
5/3 weapons
consoles:
4 eng
2 sci
4 tac
stations:
COM eng
LTC tac
LT eng
LT uni
ENS tac
special: a disruptor clone of the andorian wing guns. these would fire from the under slung guns the negvar had in DS9. the negvar we have in game now is basicly the one we say in AGT, not DS9. the wing guns are the perfect tech to apply to a ship like the DS9 neg, and ther perfect ship to give a 5th forward weapon too. it might not be an escort, but its a big powerful cruiser, it will be awesome
1 more kdf cruiser to go, the originally tier 2 K'Tanco. 1 cruiser setup the kdf does not have yet is a clone of the excelsior station setup. that would be awesome on a awesome turning, DHC using KDF cruiser
Fleet K'Tanco Retrofit
ship yard tier 4
34,450 hull
1.1 shield mod
13 turn rate
4/4 weapons
consoles:
4 eng
2 sci
4 tac
stations:
COM eng
LTC tac
LT eng
LT sci
ENS eng
fed counterpart= excelsior
this one, maybe they should nerf its turn down to 12, lest it be too good. or not, ether way, would be an awesome ship
oh and last but not least, the fleet Guramba
fleet Guramba
ship yard tier 5
34,650 hull
.99 shield mod
15 turn
4/3 weapons
3 eng
3 sci
4 tac
stations:
COM tac
LTC tac
LT sci
LT eng
ENS tac
Abilities:
Siege Mode
Javelin
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Actually it's 3. Fleet Defiant, Fleet MVAE, and now the Tactical Kumari.
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Actually, about the Gowron's Negh'var you suggested, lately I was more considering that kind of setup for a more nimble K'vort battlecruiser with 5/3 weapons and the alternative to wing cannons. Given how Starfleet has the edge on escorts and science ships, and the KDF generally more usable cruisers, I could see a sharper edge that the KDF could have in the crusier department, since Starfleet is killing us in the escort & science department. :P
So, this is just an idea and a rough outline that I've come up, for a more powerfull and nimble K'vort battlecruiser. Here it goes:
Hull: 37.000
Shield Mod.: 1.0
Turn rate: 12
Weapons layout: 5/3
Consoles: 5 Tac 2 Eng 3 Sci
Stations:
Comm. Tac.
Lt. Tac.
Lt. Eng
Ens. Sci
Lt.Comm. Uni
+10 Weapons Power
+5 Shield Power
She would use the wing cannons as you suggested for the Gowron Negh'var, given how disruptor wing cannons would look very appropriate on the wingy B'rel design of the K'vort.
And then maybe Gowron's Negh'var could get another special ability/weapon or possibly a hangar. I always tended to see that Negh'var as a very powerfull and sturdy alternative for the Bortasqu', which can move better and would fullfil the demands of the KDF players that hate the Bortasqu' for it's turn rate. And save the (possible?) 5/3 layout for something that can fly a bit better. Just a thought.
This presupposes that the 5-tac console Kumari is a ship and not a coffin that's cosplaying a ship.
Drunk, what do you think of giving the Tactical Negh'var an LT Sci BOff and making the LT Eng BOff uni?
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Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
oh ya the tac andorian ship. honestly, i don't really consider it real lol, if i were going off on all the things fed have that kdf don't, i wouldn't mention that thing
the neg's station setup is exactly what the fleet assault's station setup is. bit of a faulse choice, you have enough eng and tac already. would you want 2 LT sci? might have a hard time making it a healer though with so much built in tactical already. its just a big escort basicly
3 tac ENS isn't nearly as bad as 3 eng ENS. you just have to include a torp or beam on the ship.
the c store costume for the tier 4 raptor is the best looking raptor by far, i'd like to use it too
I don't think so. They turned the B'rel into a cowards torp bomber. I want a canon BoP I can fly as gunslinger. Not some fugly cryptic design.
And what would be better suited as a counter to the Kumari ? I mean super heavy wing cannons... ask a random Trekkie which star trek ship is defined by massive wing cannons I bet at least 9 out of 10 would say bird of prey.
So it makes quite a lot of sense to me to have that ship in my hangar.
And that Negh'var, I would buy it just to have it's skin (with them weapon pods) for the fleet Negh'var of my engi.
OH PLEASE! Dont think we get consoles for fleet ships.... and don't bring this up please! I want NEW ones....
-Gen
I'm sure your DPS is great, but as Kahless said, "a petaQ with high system mastery is still a petaQ." (Well, he should have said it...!)
The closest thing they have are Raptors.
Birds of Prey are NOT escorts. They are marauders. They have a different set of design rules that they have to adhere to. They have universal slots, and a battle cloak and less weapons than a ship of their tier is supposed to have. They also have much higher turning rates than any escort or raptor has.
These things have always been their own unique ship type. I'm not sure why people consistently confuse the BOP with an escort. The Raptor and its design standard is far more compatible with what the fed escorts have. Right down to the one fed escort that has a cloak, ends up being a mirror image of a raptor because of that.
It can't be because BoPs can equip dual cannons. So can battle cruisers and no one ever makes the mistake of comparing a Defiant to a Neg'Vahr.
It can't be because BoPs can turn well, because no Escort in the game has a BoP turn radius, not even the bug ship.
So what is it? Why do people keep equating BoPs with Escorts? The all universal consoles should at least be some tip off as to how flawed that comparison is.
Fleet defiant has 17 turn ratio ,kumari 16.both have 5 tac consoles kumari has 5 fore weapons above all other things.
I think that the a possible kdf escort could be:
1.) fleet somraw with 5 fore and 5 tactical consoles
2.) fleet somraw with 5 fore and enhanced turn rate to 17
3.) fleet somraw with 5 tactical consoles and enhanced turn rate to 17
kumari has the hybrid cannon-Dbb weapon aka wing cannon that can hit 95k and the shield stripping console while the the modified somraw will have only the cloak as an equivalent for all the kumari enhanced consoles.
The escorts that OP proposed are interesting but for somebody who is running DHC+DBB+torpedo as I do the tactical seating's are no enough.
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
were exactly did i confuse anything? i talked about escorts/raptors, bops and then cruisers. 'namely escorts' at the beginning does not mean i am branding every single ship in the post an escort.
raptors are escorts with a bit inferior turn and a built in cloak. cant see any other difference. nobody confuses bops and escorts, not sure what your rageing at. the fleet scourge is a fed pattern escort on the kdf side, theres 1 pure escort
That is what I think it is a image of klingon spirit.Stay and fight in in open with your foes.( i know it is a movie but the spirit is there)
I think that kdf need's such a escort having among other things a bop skin just to close the gap between the game and the movie.
I will not speak about stats but it is time to make a really good escort-bop for kdf.All the kdf escorts until now were made especially to be under federation escorts.(fleet somraw now is good after the shield mod was fixed but it is under fleet defiant or kumari)
This bop-escort shoud be able to stand and fight a fleet defiant or a kumari and be equal to them.
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
BoPs are completely different. And the dev team has to make them adhere to a different standard of itemization and design budget. They're not escorts. Never have been.
If the federation had Raiders, nobody would fly the federation escorts.
Fed escorts don't turn as fast as BoPs. Have more firepower on some of them (5 tac consoles, one even has 5 forward weapons). Nothing on the fed side has the evasion ability of a battle cloak. And it pays a huge price in tanking for that.
BoPs are similar to Escorts in that they can equip DHCs. But so can a Vesta and a Galaxy X. None of them are anything like a BoP.
The fleet Corsair is nice and all but I want an engy focused flight deck cruiser like all flight deck cruisers were until the fleet corsair came out.
I still fly the Marauder but feel like I'm loosing out by not having extra hull, shields and console slots that I could have.
Some of the later Star Trek novels reference Chancellor-class ships; since the game has been unafraid to crib a couple of expanded universe classes- namely the Luna and Vesta- I'd certainly love to see this thing make it in. It's closer to a modernized Vor'cha than Negh'var, though, but a discount on the fleet version of that would be most welcome.
The Chancellor class is actually a new class of its own and despite the pic on Mem Beta, it actually looks quite different from the Vor'cha.
http://imageshack.us/a/img14/7733/qangschem.jpg
(These schematics come from the novel "The Brave and the Bold" book2)
At its introduction it actually had the most advanced sensors in the entire Defense Force. (mentioned in the novel "Diplomatic Implausibility", where the Gorkon appears for the first time)
So this ship coud very easily work as a science cousin to the Vor'cha, like the Nebula is the science cousin of the Galaxy class.
I kinda think that looks even more like a Vor'cha than the pic on Memory Beta :P
Regardless, whatever, I don't care what it looks like. I wish to exchange money for it.
I see a neck on the angled dawing similar to the one the Vor'cha has that's missing on the schematic since there the fwd and the main hull practically come together without a neck.
So I believe we'll have to agree to disagree on that one but I don't think that matters much.
YUP! I still have a Klingon Liberated Borg Science that anxiously waits for a science ship of Klingon origin and the Qang would be perfect.
Funny thing is in theory they could give the Qang the same turnrate as the Vor'cha and it wouldn't matter.
The Vor'cha /Tor'kaht is already maneuverable enough for cannons so turnrate 10 with 33,000 and a 1.3 shield mod and the ship would be ready to go.
so cryptic how about a fleet ship or 2? or that regent station negvar? at least the fleet ships should require 0 art time, unlike scimitars and rom vet ships. throw us a bone? a new fleet ship with that fleet mod sale sounds like a no brainer.