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I can't figure out why, as I've seen people with similar setups get 3-5k DPS more but I can't figure out where the problem lies. Is it my weapons? My equipment? My Boffs? No idea. Here's my setup.
Flying: JHEC. I love this ship completely. Heavy Eng stations makes for a perfect Aux2Batt + Technician setup which gives me monstrously low cooldown times along with high power levels to combat power drain. Aux2batt makes RSP worthwhile, because the cooldown ends up being reduced to only 60s give or take!
I was chatting to a guy with a similar setup after we ran a few STFs and I was parsing him at 13-15k per run. I'm wondering why I can't get near that, is it just pilot error? I'll admit aux2batt has taken some getting used to using effectively!
Weapons:
Antiprotons (Maxed energy weapon crit skills)
Fore = 4 DHCs (Fleet [dmg]x3[acc])
Aft = 2 Turrets, 1 Kinetic cutting beam
Equipment:
Maco XII set
Consoles:
Eng: Monotanium XII (purple), Tachyokinetic, Borg, Zero-point Romulan.
Sci: Field generator x2
Tac: 4x Relays XI (blue)
Doffs:
3x purple technician (30% reduction in cooldowns when using aux2batt)
2x purple conn officer (16s reduction for TT plus big buff to attack patterns)
Boffs
Commander Tac: TT1 , Beta 1 , Scatter Volley 2, Omega 3
LT. Com Eng: EPTW1, Aux2Batt 1, DEM2
Lie. Eng: EPTS1, Aux2Batt 1
Lie. Eng: ET1, RSP2
Ens. Sci: HE1
Flying: JHEC. I love this ship completely. Heavy Eng stations makes for a perfect Aux2Batt + Technician setup which gives me monstrously low cooldown times along with high power levels to combat power drain. Aux2batt makes RSP worthwhile, because the cooldown ends up being reduced to only 60s give or take!
I was chatting to a guy with a similar setup after we ran a few STFs and I was parsing him at 13-15k per run. I'm wondering why I can't get near that, is it just pilot error? I'll admit aux2batt has taken some getting used to using effectively!
Weapons:
Antiprotons (Maxed energy weapon crit skills)
Fore = 4 DHCs (Fleet [dmg]x3[acc])
Aft = 2 Turrets, 1 Kinetic cutting beam
Equipment:
Maco XII set
Consoles:
Eng: Monotanium XII (purple), Tachyokinetic, Borg, Zero-point Romulan.
Sci: Field generator x2
Tac: 4x Relays XI (blue)
Doffs:
3x purple technician (30% reduction in cooldowns when using aux2batt)
2x purple conn officer (16s reduction for TT plus big buff to attack patterns)
Boffs
Commander Tac: TT1 , Beta 1 , Scatter Volley 2, Omega 3
LT. Com Eng: EPTW1, Aux2Batt 1, DEM2
Lie. Eng: EPTS1, Aux2Batt 1
Lie. Eng: ET1, RSP2
Ens. Sci: HE1
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Try getting the system engineer doff that gives weapon power drain resist when using DEM.
Romulan +Crit boff is nice.
Lastly make sure you get close to your targets when possible.
KCB instead of a turret is a good thing imo, esp. on an escort (on the vesta it is something to think about due to the lower fore weapon punch). it gives you around the same dps as a turret (in my tests I was using SCV so while the turrets hit three targets, the kcb hit one, and it dealt the same dps in the end), and gives a minor boost occasionally..
crit boffs might be nice, tho you can reach 10k without them
flying close... heck yeah
also OP, try to always target multiple things with your scv (possible targets that can be hurt, so its not just random dps). use the elite scorpion fighters in your hangar, and try to run them on attack my target mode, unless you are attacked by something that shoots high yield (if you run APB you gonna get 2k+ dps from them, and if you change to disruptors they should give you around 3k)
get the doff that gives you 10% dmg against borg instead of the doffs that buff TT (tho they are good enough too)
there is no reason why you should not deal around 8-10k if you are a tac (well if you are a tac you really should deal 12-3k overall dps, with loads higher burst dps)
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
At the end of the day your performance revolves around your spike and alpha strike damage, and a parse over a longer period of time will probably give misleading results.
in stf you should use a special warfare guy (don't know the exact class) with 10% bonus damage on borg in space, or at least a dem doff.
add a projectile doff
drop one dhc and use the romulan plasma torpedo, at least the omega plasma torpedo (both available though your reputation system)
if available, use the rule 62 multipurpose combat console
1) The KCB might have a beam firing cycle, but that's where the similarity ends (the damage is more like a 360 degree dual beam bank.)
2) The KCB is generally significantly better than any single turret in PvE, even with CRF - it also shines in STFs with all that bare hull.
3) The KCB + Console (or Torp) 2 piece set proc is generally frequent enough to counteract any "gimping" that might occur (and in my experience there is nothing that could be construed as gimping).
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there is around 1-2k difference between them. ise is highest, then cse then kase. the difference does matter, but if you are doing 10k in ise, you wont be doing much less in cse if you know your stuff
with 3 purple torp doffs quantum is better. also it is too circumstantial as against shields you wont be that effective. plus TS3 is better than HY3
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
Not really, in order to spit torpedo every second you would have to proc 2x on single launcher. which is very unlikely for quantums, but you can pray..maybe it helps. We are talking DPS here, not spikes. every missed quantum, would reduce DPS and there is not that high difference between mk XII quantums and photons.
Also, there is not likely to be many targets without shields to take advantage of spread. I was talking purely for taking out gates, and such. AFK at 10Km, just shoot torps, 10k dps (you can do more with buffs), problem solved.
CSE has many more clustered targets (probes and BoP/Raptor/Negh'Var spawns), so AoE significantly pads DPS meter numbers...
Usually TS3 > THY3, but certain builds exploit HYT3 better than TS3. One example is Gravity Well + High Yield hyper-plasma to set up enemy ship chain explosions.
Thanks everyone for the replies, definitely worth some consideration and thought. Thanks! I'll go into specifics
I did test using a turret instead of the beam, but the DPS difference is marginal and I like the passive 2pc bonus from the assimilated omega set.
I'm going to wait until we're T3 embassy before I get romulan boffs - but I definitely will be investing when the time comes - so thanks
The problem with using EPTW3 is I'll need to replace the ensign ability with something. Given that I have 3 eng slots I'll need 3 ensign abilities - of which the choices are pittiful. The only reason I'm using DM2 is because I only have one tac station so any extra DPS abilities I can get anywhere are like gold dust. I already run copies of ET1 and EPTS1 so If I moved to EPTW3 I'd need to use another EPTx ability which seems wasteful.
Duly noted, I should pay a bit more attention to my SCV to make sure I'm maximising the firing arc. I've been running nothing but escorts for 6+ months now so I sort of autopilot the STFs and don't pay all that much attention to them. I'll see if adjusting makes a difference. I already use elite scorpions btw. Neglected that in the OP.
I didn't consider this, I'll have to ask him when he gets online. I've been wanting to run a plasma ship for ages but I *cant stand* the noise they make, they're horrible!
This makes sense, I will definitely consider this! In fact I'll test it out now and see how much of a difference it makes. The problem with relying on aux2batt for reducing TT cooldown is you can never get the CD down to 15s so you can't have continual coverage which is a pain. You only get a 30% reduction from aux2batt and the cooldown isn't long enough for it to be reduced twice so you end up with ~20s cooldown for TT1 which can lead to going boom.
I refuse to go back to using torps, I'm sick of them. I'm trying to get a nice cannon build instead - I've always flown 3DHC+torp up front and given that I don't have room for any torp abilities on this ship (only one Tac slot, commander) I think I'll have to pass.
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The blue-quality male Romulan tac BOff is currently the only one with Superior Romulan Operative, so as of now you aren't gaining anything by waiting for T3.
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I can attest to this, have 3 of the purple torp DOFFs equipped for space and the Quantums hardly ever seem to proc on the recharge timer. One of the reasons I switched to photons, I can just pop those out like a candy dispenser, plus they sound cooler. Chronitons also seem to work well with the torp DOFFs and make a solid combo if you are using the Tachyokinetic console and the dual chroniton beam bank. I've found Photons and Chronitons to proc the most for me, with Plasma torps being a close second.
the proc rate is exactly the same on all torps. quantums fire less, yes. tho the timer is pretty much giving you no reload with quantums with three purple doffs, so yeah. you might have to wait 3 seconds instead of 1, but in the end the hit is going to be harder (and the 3 sec window will allow you to get shields lower anyway, so long term quantums tested better for me)
still. torps wont get you the bestest dps, and they are very dependent on not having shields, so you are pretty much gimping yourself with them, making your ship less versitile
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
Is the Romulan Torpedo any good? I have seen on chat, not to bother with it.
btw... What is full of stars? My view screen is out at the moment.
in PVE you can bring anything, it will hit. infact crithx3 is better than accx3 for pve, just simply because most stuff are static or slow, and you will hit them (tbh I havent seen a missed shot in a while in pve).
ofc if you want a ship good for pve and pvp then acc is just as fine
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
Dont think it's been asked...Is your character SCI, ENG or TACT? Career does make a substantial difference as well...
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ask Bowman, he is the only human, who has ever seen it ;p
that's true, normaly there is an additional gap of 2 or 3 seconds in the tac team cycle. i try to compensate it with rsp and shield repair drones. one unit is always deployed, the other unit will be dropped in an emergency case, or when the first unit is destroyed by npc warp core breaches.
i don't like torpedoes, too. but these romulan torpedoes are fantastic, no they are even better than fantastic
at least, have a look at the damage (combat parser) of a player with this weapon
With an all cannon build having only CSV is kinda weak.
umm. that is pretty much how not to do it. csv gives half of the dmg bonus that crf gives. but you can dish it out to 3 targets instead of one
losing apo3 for that and gaining polarise hull instead of HE is another matter. you basically give up the two best powers you can ask for. HE is a great for clearing debuffs (plasma fire can be nasty), and gets you a great hull heal. and apo... lets compare it to polarise hull which we want because we dont have apo in your case:
apo gives a dmg boost, a movement boost (including tractor beam resistance), defensive boost (if movement is not enough).
while polarise hull will give a better defensive boost (a bit more than double not counting the movement buff from omega) and tractor immunity and reloads faster...
now you basically give him the option to deal less dmg whit crf3 while losing apo causing him to deal less dmg, and you make it up with polarise hull which lowers his tanking ability (which will translate into less dmg long term).
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
No offense but this is a terrible suggestion, and evidently you don't know much about Aux2Batt builds because while I only have one cannon ability, the uptime on it is the same as someone who has two copies of CSV2 without using aux2batt.
CRF3 isn't anywhere near as powerful as Omega3 or Beta3. It's not even as powerful as CSV3! Frankly it's got no place in any build IMHO.
I can't get rid of HE either, it's probably the single most vital ability for STFs to kill plasma fires with a small hull heal.
I think based on your suggestions, that your own build could use a little work - and if you're interested I think you should post it. I'd be more than happy to give a few suggestions on how to get a little more punch out of it, or a little more survivablity - whatever it is you're having problems with.
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I've switched to weapons I bought off the exchange:
Polaron Dual Heavy Cannons Mk XII [Acc] [CrtH]x2 x2
Polaron Dual Heavy Cannons Mk XII [Acc]x2 [Dmg] x2
Polaron Turret Mk XII [CrtH]x3 x2
And I also got the upgraded Jem Hadar XII set. I can live with slightly less shield capacity over MACO -and the 2pc passive polaron bonus (13.1%) is very nice.
I also upgraded my tac consoles:
Console - Tactical - Polaron Phase Modulator Mk XI
and my Hangar:
Hangar - Elite Scorpion Fighters
The results of this can be seen in the Parse I made moments ago. Somehow we managed a run of CSE (RML cube order) in 5 and a half minutes which is just absolutely insane.
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