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ladydragonfury
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(i don't know where to put this, with it being a cross-faction and all, so i'm just going to put it here unless the mods know of a more suitable place and move it)
Hi guys and gals,, I'm kinda torn between buying a Kumari, Vesta or Guramba Siege Destroyer, so I wanted to ask people who fly them already about them.
I started saving up my converted Zen ever since the Kumari came out, because I like the look of the ship, I like the look of that Tachyon ability the Science variant has, and Andorians happen to be one of my favourite Star Trek species.
The thing is, the closer I get to my goal of 2,500 Zen the more my thoughts turn towards the other two ships that have either been recommended-namely the Vesta-or have caught my eye-namely the Guramba Siege Destroyer.
The Vesta because I'm a Sci on the Fed side and that's currently the only ship that Science Captains get the best out of, or so I've heard. I've also been told I'm a vicious Science Officer in PvP ^_^.
With the Guramba Siege Destroyer I saw it on the Featured ship blog a while ago and the thing just grabbed my attention. The ability to switch between modes and that superpowerful and awesome looking mega weapon in Siege Mode, plus it's looks in general aren't all that shabby either. I play a Tactical officer on the KDF side.
So my questions are, what drew you to buying them in the first place? Did the ship in question meet, exceed or fall short of your expectation and why? If you have all three, which one do you fly the most and why? If you have all three, which is your favourite and why? What are the pros and cons for each? Which would you recommend? If the Vesta, which variant?
Hi guys and gals,, I'm kinda torn between buying a Kumari, Vesta or Guramba Siege Destroyer, so I wanted to ask people who fly them already about them.
I started saving up my converted Zen ever since the Kumari came out, because I like the look of the ship, I like the look of that Tachyon ability the Science variant has, and Andorians happen to be one of my favourite Star Trek species.
The thing is, the closer I get to my goal of 2,500 Zen the more my thoughts turn towards the other two ships that have either been recommended-namely the Vesta-or have caught my eye-namely the Guramba Siege Destroyer.
The Vesta because I'm a Sci on the Fed side and that's currently the only ship that Science Captains get the best out of, or so I've heard. I've also been told I'm a vicious Science Officer in PvP ^_^.
With the Guramba Siege Destroyer I saw it on the Featured ship blog a while ago and the thing just grabbed my attention. The ability to switch between modes and that superpowerful and awesome looking mega weapon in Siege Mode, plus it's looks in general aren't all that shabby either. I play a Tactical officer on the KDF side.
So my questions are, what drew you to buying them in the first place? Did the ship in question meet, exceed or fall short of your expectation and why? If you have all three, which one do you fly the most and why? If you have all three, which is your favourite and why? What are the pros and cons for each? Which would you recommend? If the Vesta, which variant?
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Vesta- I've been wanting this ship since Beta, so it was obvious. All in all I really like it. It's a nice versitile light ship.
Kumari I got one cause I wanted a different escort, but it's entirely servicable when i want to get my escort on.
I don't have a guramba, but I plan to buy one using Dil with the next ship sale. However, I played several time with them, and they do quite a good DPS, and their super weapon to.
The vesta is a sci ship. A good DPS sci ship. If you want a more CC sci ship, go for a wells.
It really depend of what you want to do. Pure DPS : kumari. Sci and DPS, and maybe tank, vesta. Guramba is also DPS, but less than a Kumari.
With the Zen promo last week I opened up my wallet and bought the 3-pack. After fiddling with my set up I am really happy with it. It does respectable firepower -- the weapon setup is virtually identical to what I had in the patrol escort minus the quantum torp up front (which I sometimes miss).
Since I only play KDF I dont know anything about the Vesta or Kumari, save for the fact that nose to nose w/ the Kumari in PvP I can lance them out of existence before they can kill me.
The Kumari is by far the best of them IMO.
Guramba is fun, but the switching gimmick takes too long and the Lance is hard to aim as well as sharing CD with BA:O. It is also only on the poorly supported KDF faction only.
The Vesta is nice, but doesn't have much punch regardless of configuration. If they made the Aux Phasers usable on other ships they would be used and sales of this ship would increase.
The Kumari's Mega Cannon attack does not share a CD with anything. The Wing Cannons allow you to mount 7 forward weapons, the drones even fire when you have turned away and they are still facing an opponent. I even use the shield crushing attack on Tac Cubes with delightful results in Elite STFs.
Since the wing cannons have x4 dmg mod odds of critting are poor, but odds of missing are high. If they reduced the shots in CRF to 2 pulses not 4 it would be fine. If you want to use it in pvp, subspace jump + tractor beam + wing overload = dead enemy. If you tac buff it you can crit in 130k dmg range. The Tachyon burst is great if your skilled into flow caps, if your not its 2.2k drain if you are its 5.5k+.
Wing platforms are good when paired with the 3pc bonus. And the 2 pc +10% acc is pretty neat. But by far the best thing of the pack getting access to mk11 ACCx2 DMG andorian weapons from dil store. They are really MK12 weapons just labled mk11.
The vesta is an awesome sci ship, pair 3 aux cannons + grav well + scatter volley + tric mines with dispersal beta and chroniton mines. Can do some impressive stuff. If on a Tac captain fully buffed up its phaser beam is impressive. And its console heals are great for AOE team healing.
The garumba is one of the best KDF ships, but honestly if you can getting the Fleet Vorcha is the best option on KDF as a comparison.
BTW the kumari is suprisingly tough ship when set up right, i use the Tac version with least heals with my tac captain and i can take Elite cubes pretty easy. And if you pair it with a tank fleet galaxy buddy like i often do it can do amazing amounts of dmg when friend takes all your agro for ya. You need to be a good escort captain to pull off a good andorian ship, i see far far far more horrible captain in these then i can count. Yesterday i saw one barely able to kill probes in KA elite. Mean while i mowed down 2 cubes 2 transformers and my gate while catching probes. If you build it right it can have good survivablity. Build it wrong and poof.
On the other hand, the mega cannon have a 3s before shooting, and drain your weapon power (you need a battery/EPtW or loose DPS).
For a damage output not superior to the guramba lance.
The shield nuker is better, but if you need it to remove a borg shield, you have a DPS issue.
The Kumari consoles are just a gadget, they are not really worth it. The DPS is not really good from them, even including the pets.
The Vesta is a fantastic ship in PVE. With the three Aux cannons in fore and all power to Weapons or Auxiliary, this ship is fantastic at dealing out damage. The only concern is the fragility of the hull, and the sacrificing of engineering capabilities if you want to have significant amounts of damage output. This is why I usually don't fly this ship in PVP, although I have had some recent success when flying it on my Science captain.
The Kumari... not much to say here. I beat it in my Dreadnought four times in a row. :P
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I have the Kumari 3 pack and the Siege Destroyer. I bought the Siege Destroyer because my KDF character is a Nausicaan. And so I felt the need to have his species' ship. I bought the Kumari because when I returned to the game I changed my main on the fed side from my engineer cruiser captain to my escort flying tactical officer. And a week later the Kumari is announced. It was a perfect fit.
The Siege Destroyer took some tweaks and some getting used to. Also not having a cloak was a step down from the Raptors I had been flying. And for the longest time I didn't get much out of the spinal lance because back then it was a disruptor and I was specced for Anti Protons. These days that's not an issue. I'm happy with the purchase, but think there's better ships on the KDF side to fly. Also, as part of the "polite protest" I switched my title to Disenchanted, and changed my ship to my K'Tanco (since it's a sunset ship from the KDF). So I'm not even flying it anymore.
The Kumari exceeded my expectations. It's an easy ship to fly. It's fun. And I'm glad I bought it.
I have 2 of the three. I fly the Kumari the most. It flies like a Federation side Raptor, so it's very comfortable to me.
Pros of the Kumari:
It's powerful right out of the package. It's an escort in a game that is slanted toward DPS in both PVP and PVE. It has two variants that can be given workable survivability for PVP purposes. All three variants put out great DPS in PVE encounters.
Cons of the Kumari:
The 3 piece bonus is meh. The consoles are meh. I like the science console best, but it's not that good in some STFs because the objects don't have shields. It's turn rate is 16.
Pros of the Siege Destroyer:
It's a DPS ship in a game that is slanted toward DPS. It's big gun is much easier to take advantage of since skill tree revamps, so you can equip any beam energy and still get a big boom out of it's special weapon.
Cons of the Siege Destroyer:
Siege mode makes it turn slow. It's a little klunky to use so takes some getting used to. It's still a raptor the rest of the time so can be a little weak defensively. Oh and no cloak.
For your Andorian? THe Kumari.
Sorry, I have no information whatsoever on the Vesta other than the Aventine was fun to read about in the books with Captain Erzi Dax.
I am an Engineer with a Red Matter Capacitor, I have never wanted for Weapons Power.
I always mount a Dual beam Array on the Front, nothing beats a BA:O III for dropping a shield.
I do ok in my Sci version anyways. Not noticed any more detriment by having slightly less hull and shields...
The new andorian ships aren't that tempting, they are fragile (for a fleet level ship) with a lot of burst power that is sure to draw more agro. Currently flying an HEC
My 2nd character is a sci flying a chimera. Its flexible and gives me enough science to make me happy. The Vesta is tempting, but that cmd science spot is.. really useless compared to eng or tac cmd. I won't get one until science is fixed.
My 3rd character is a tac kdf. It is currently flying the veteran ship too, and did fly the Garumba for quite some time. The siege mode needs some help, while its fine for most predictable stfs, its just too slow and the transformation process is frustrating.
Oddly, I made an eng to fly a fleet excelsior (now moved to Dkora) and really like it. It does good damage, lots of agro and tanking. It provides more than just one function, unlike an escort.
Of the 3 choices, I'd probably take the Kumari escort, but only because science is beyond broken and the kdf side is hardly tolerable.
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Put two threat down consoles in the science slots and aggro is only an issue when flying alongside complete fools.
Im a tac myself and i use the sci kumari and it does loads of dmg without being a glass cannon.. The tac version is but just dont use it;)
Dont have the grumba so cant say anything to that but if you have only 2.5k zen get the grumba or sci kumari. Dont buy the vesta unless u get the whole 3-pack.
They're not as fragile in practice as they look on paper. I routinely solo a transformers + their attendant Cubes on KASE without dying. As long as you're willing to invest a few DOffs in making them survivable and change your mindset to just out-DPSing the Cube, you will win easily, even in the Tactical Version of the Andorian Escorts. Also, they don't just have bust power - they have very solid sustained DPS as well, and are absolutely fantastic if you find a competent Cruiser captain who's invested heavily in Threat Control.
On the other hand, I don't have access to the -threat consoles (and might not equip them if I did), and it's sort of annoying when Donatra targets you for over half her health bar, despite not firing on her after drawing aggro and flying out of her range >.>
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In regard to hating Star Trek 2009:
Even then, I think that that perception is massively overblown on the forums. I saw someone solo tranformers and cubes in KASE in the Tactical Andorian Escort the day after I got my Andorian 3-pack (I was flying the Engineering version for more survivability), got some pointers, and haven't left the Tactical version since. It's extremely capable in ESTFs, and can solo anything short of a Tac Cube/mission boss.
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In regard to hating Star Trek 2009:
Only if you're doing it wrong...
The Vesta is the Besta.
Vesta > Fleet Recon Sci
Vesta > Fleet Deep Space Sci
Vesta > Fleet Intrepid
The only one that's any sort of competition is the Nebula/D'Kyr, and that's solely due to their ability to field a LtC Eng and Lt Sci (instead of on the Vesta, where you're forced to use an Lt Eng in addition to your LtC Uni).
But that's just BO abilities.
The Vesta's got a killer turn rate, a hangar bay, DHCs, and some amazing consoles. I've got my Quantum Focus Field Controller at a tad above 8k/sec DPS and the Sympathetic Fermion Transceiver is essentially Godmode.
Since you seem to have missed it. The the whole point of him mentioning being afraid of nerf criers is because he agrees with you and thinks the vesta is the best and he didn't want to say anything or it might get nerfed.
On a totally different topic... GAURAMBA RULES!
I got one a while back and I love it. It's beautiful, plenty powerful, and fun.
I agree that the transformation takes too long, also it de-activates the ability to use some buffs and powers while it is happening which makes it even more annoying.
That said, I often run entire battles in attack mode without using the javelin simply for the extra weapon power and so I move a tick slower while using attack pattern omega and evasive maneuvers.
While the javelin is a bit of a gimmick weapon, it is fun to hit a borg tactical cube for a 90k+ crit. Or to kill some frigates with a single hit. Although I do think the damage range on the power is a bit crazy. Some hits against the same enemy land only for about 12k and others all the way up into the mid 90s. o.0
Bonus points: my fleet is the Arachnos Armada and it looks spidery.
I love my gauramba. It's captain has occasionally been caught sneaking out in an EVA suit to the hull and hugging it whispering "precious my precious" over and over. Which creeps the hell out of my telepathic lethean science officer.
I've considered picking up the garumba, but mostly that's based solely on appearances.
In terms of klingon Tac ships, I think that the mirror qin raptor is about as good if not better than all the other klingon options. Why spend your hard earned dil/zen, when you can just get a mirror qin cheap for EC off the exchange?