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PVP Bootcamp Session #3 - Feedback!

aquitaine985aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited February 2013 in PvP Boot Camp
Did you learn anything new? Did Mimey live up to his promise not to take advantage of any students within 10 feet? Is there a skill or ability you always wondered about and now know how to use? Did you not even make it, went out on a bender last night and woke up this morning in a fountain in the park with one eyebrow, a poncho and a rash you didn't have before?

How did it go?
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    gradstudent1gradstudent1 Member Posts: 633 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    aquitaine985 wrote: »
    Did you learn anything new? Did Mimey live up to his promise not to take advantage of any students within 10 feet? Is there a skill or ability you always wondered about and now know how to use? Did you not even make it, went out on a bender last night and woke up this morning in a fountain in the park with one eyebrow, a poncho and a rash you didn't have before?

    How did it go?

    Ha ha, this is great. Did you notice that I posted one of these feedback threads too=) I guess two will be better than one! I think your's is funnier though.
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    evilghost1026evilghost1026 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I really enjoyed having the chance to work with all of the "students" I had today and I had a lot of fun doing it.

    Many of them have lots of potential =)

    Thanks Sargon and Cryptic for hosting this!

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    hyprodimushyprodimus Member Posts: 196 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I learned quite a bit today. It was my first boot camp session. The healing exercise was great. We were able to keep players alive under sustained fire with minimal healing builds. I think we had 3 escorts, one with a single heal and I think we had one real healer and that was Yoda, our coach. What I find happens in PUGs and also in my own fleet is that we will over heal and stack multiple tac teams, TSS and HE on someone. Then they get nuked or the opposing team switches targets leaving all of us defenseless. Afterwards, Yoda helped me with build specifics, min maxing.
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    mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    aquitaine985 wrote: »
    Did you learn anything new? Did Mimey live up to his promise not to take advantage of any students within 10 feet? Is there a skill or ability you always wondered about and now know how to use? Did you not even make it, went out on a bender last night and woke up this morning in a fountain in the park with one eyebrow, a poncho and a rash you didn't have before?

    How did it go?

    Excuse me! We don't use that, Americanized 'feet' in THIS game, Regulus! THIS game uses meters and kilometers, thank you very much!

    Besides, how could I get within 10 feet (to use your barbaric term) of a student if we were in space? Clearly I am saving that for next week during the ground Boot Camp, obviously. :P



    I did learn one thing though. Before the 2nd session earlier, apparently Sargon did not feel the need to grace us with his august presence. :rolleyes: :P
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    keyboalpha2keyboalpha2 Member Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    As I tried to participate in first session yesterday (8 pm CET) I had problems with my micro and could not start, I just stayed in the "waiting room" and nothing happened, grrrr.

    Someone of the mentors told me that I might be back for another "in-between" session 1 hour later. :)

    Unfortunately, 1 hour later something went wrong and nothing happened again :mad:


    But I was told I might participate in the next session (2 am for me) and I thought: nope, thats too late. As I just wanted to leave TS the coaches suggested we could play some pvp for fun - we played several matches (first time for me to use TS in a match) and they taught dozens of tricks, showed a great escort build, explained why and when to use any buff/debuff. All before next official session started, they did it just for fun and to help us.

    That was one of the most informative lessons I ever had! And what a fun! You made my day! Thank you very much!!! :)
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    kelernkelern Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Yeah i enjoyed it.I took part in one of the cet sessions,my coach was shift from nova core,and i think there was another coach called Kollen but i missed the very beginning where they may have introduced themselves. The lesson went on for a fairly long time,we hit about 4 hours roughly by the end, due to him giving a lot of suggestions to the various captain/ship combination's. The first 30 minutes/1 hour was brushing up on the stuff covered by the past 2 lessons and then the next 2-3 hours was pvp match's with him changing the team slightly to show the difference between the various team load outs,ie 2 dps/2 sci.

    By the end of it we had covered quite a bit of stuff.The various class's had they're role in a team match explained to them. Healers/cruiser captains had been given tips on how to get more out of they're builds,for the most part it seemed us tac/escort captains had the good builds.We had been shown what to say on comm's,ie calling targets/healing others and self heals, target priority's and how to split fire to try beat a team that cross heals really well.

    There was a few minor problems,i turned up 15 minutes before it was meant to start and still managed to miss the very beginning (or at least he was taking questions from the other players so i have no idea if i missed anything important)/teamspeak would occasionally break up and the ingame challenge system seemed to be playing up (took about 3 attempts to get the first match started).

    But overall it was fun and informative.I have enjoyed all three lessons so far, unfortunately my two fleet mates who signed up with me have both missed a session now. All of my coach's have done a great job,think my first on was with Kedric and phaoe then @chaplin charlie2011 for the second and now shift for the third, so im hoping that the next time i can convince more of my fleet to sign up,quite a few of them could do with some guidance
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    hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Slightly off topic, but there didn't seem to be anything for those who missed the second session (like myself). Wasn't there supposed to be a make-up session of some sort?

    As for what I learned? Chained sub-nukes hurt. Even for an engi cruiser. And a few other things I'd rather not go into to maintain my dignity.
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
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    aquitaine985aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    gradstudent1 wrote: »
    Ha ha, this is great. Did you notice that I posted one of these feedback threads too=) I guess two will be better than one! I think your's is funnier though.

    Sorry Sargon! It was about 3am before i left TS lol. You should be lucky i was even facing the right way :D
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    corbinwolf#9797 corbinwolf
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    edited February 2013
    I thought it was informative and fun. It was nice to be taught how to fight as a cohesive group, what to do, expect and how to prep for each attack. I can see without a doubt now that players, particular from the klink side, are just well practiced teams now that have and always will have my respect.

    If pugging PVP I suppose it will only improve if others either take direction from a PVP graduate or already know themselves how to effectively lead a group into a PVP match. Because so far it just feels like everybody is out for themselves which is unfortunate.

    Nota Bene: BTW, if using the subspace jumper I noticed last night that when you reappear your target will have changed! So just be weary of that, you will have to find the appropriate target again. :rolleyes:
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    gradstudent1gradstudent1 Member Posts: 633 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    mimey2 wrote: »
    Excuse me! We don't use that, Americanized 'feet' in THIS game, Regulus! THIS game uses meters and kilometers, thank you very much!

    Besides, how could I get within 10 feet (to use your barbaric term) of a student if we were in space? Clearly I am saving that for next week during the ground Boot Camp, obviously. :P



    I did learn one thing though. Before the 2nd session earlier, apparently Sargon did not feel the need to grace us with his august presence. :rolleyes: :P

    Yeah, sorry about that. Some friends planned a "welcome home" party for us, in light of our recent move from Europe to the US:P
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    gradstudent1gradstudent1 Member Posts: 633 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    hereticknight085 wrote: »
    Slightly off topic, but there didn't seem to be anything for those who missed the second session (like myself). Wasn't there supposed to be a make-up session of some sort?

    As for what I learned? Chained sub-nukes hurt. Even for an engi cruiser. And a few other things I'd rather not go into to maintain my dignity.

    Which session did you attend? We had a makeup session at the CET one, which I attended. It may be that folks running the EST session forgot to set up an makeup session classroom. For that, I apologize. I should have reminded them to do that.

    Can someone please confirm that the makeup class did not occur at the EST session? If so, then I will try to organize a Session 2 makeup class for next Saturday.
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    fletch57fletch57 Member Posts: 318 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I learned quite abit listening to the others discussing different pvp topics although I could not partake in space training.[because I didn't have a Freakin Mic!] gonna buy one today.My thing was yesterdays class was way too long. I could not stay up for last night's 8pm class because I had to work early sunday morning.
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    mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    gradstudent1 wrote: »
    Which session did you attend? We had a makeup session at the CET one, which I attended. It may be that folks running the EST session forgot to set up an makeup session classroom. For that, I apologize. I should have reminded them to do that.

    Can someone please confirm that the makeup class did not occur at the EST session? If so, then I will try to organize a Session 2 makeup class for next Saturday.

    There were two makeup session classrooms in the EST session. I attended one.
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    mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    gradstudent1 wrote: »
    Yeah, sorry about that. Some friends planned a "welcome home" party for us, in light of our recent move from Europe to the US:P

    Suuuuure. :P
    fletch57 wrote: »
    I learned quite abit listening to the others discussing different pvp topics although I could not partake in space training.[because I didn't have a Freakin Mic!] gonna buy one today.My thing was yesterdays class was way too long. I could not stay up for last night's 8pm class because I had to work early sunday morning.

    You weren't able to participate? That's unfortunate, even without a mic, you should've at least been able to watch or still partake even so.
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    pwlaughingtrendy wrote:
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
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    fayekfayek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I attempted to attend the text-only session, but the listed instructor had disappeared into the Champions character creator and didn't respond to any messages. :(
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    hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    gradstudent1 wrote: »
    Which session did you attend? We had a makeup session at the CET one, which I attended. It may be that folks running the EST session forgot to set up an makeup session classroom. For that, I apologize. I should have reminded them to do that.

    Can someone please confirm that the makeup class did not occur at the EST session? If so, then I will try to organize a Session 2 makeup class for next Saturday.

    I attended the EST session, I was in classroom 6 with Kraven and Arwin as coaches. However I think our session went a little over and I wasn't told anything about making up session 2.
    mandoknight89 wrote: »
    There were two makeup session classrooms in the EST session. I attended one.

    I guess I missed that courtesy of what I said above.
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
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    dabelgravedabelgrave Member Posts: 979 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I recommend NOT having battles of 6v6. That means one player ends up not being part of the team, and has a harder time giving or receiving heals. As that lone player in an escort, it was difficult to work with everyone else on my side. Fortunately, a few players did try to keep an eye on me. Unfortunately, most of them seemed to be on the enemy team.
    :D

    Overall, it was good training (I was in the group with 3 subnucs), but I wish we'd done several quicker battles with brief discussions in between instead of one long battle to 30. That way we'd have chances to ask questions and then try to apply things we learn.
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    bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Being the odd duck I answered in the wrong thread.
    To recap, I enjoyed though I was not able to do more than listen.
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    drudgydrudgy Member Posts: 367 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I learned quite a bit about teamwork and what abilities can work where and what clears them. It's very interesting to me that Engineers seem to be getting pushed out of premades in favor of more useful science captains though. Even at that, I seem to have some very good success when I go into pug's with my Galaxy X.

    I basically went into the whole bootcamp in the Galaxy X expecting to fall flat on my face, but honestly after all I've learned it's been well worth it. I've really been impressed at how I do with a ship everyone thought was a joke. It really is a reward to have people send me tells to say how good the ship is.

    At any rate I am looking forward to the last session and hope it brings about better pvp for everyone.
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    aquitaine985aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    drudgy wrote: »
    I learned quite a bit about teamwork and what abilities can work where and what clears them. It's very interesting to me that Engineers seem to be getting pushed out of premades in favor of more useful science captains though. Even at that, I seem to have some very good success when I go into pug's with my Galaxy X.

    I basically went into the whole bootcamp in the Galaxy X expecting to fall flat on my face, but honestly after all I've learned it's been well worth it. I've really been impressed at how I do with a ship everyone thought was a joke. It really is a reward to have people send me tells to say how good the ship is.

    At any rate I am looking forward to the last session and hope it brings about better pvp for everyone.

    As the leader of your respective fleet, have you considered reaching out to other members of your group and establishing it a bit more?

    PVP can be great fun, the best games you'll ever have are probably going to be with people you know - winning or losing it makes no difference as long as you enjoyed it! Spend some time bouncing ideas off each other, taking advantage of the PVP resources the PVP Bootcamp has high-lighted and maybe bring some to the weekly relaxed PVP events on the Bootcamp TS etc? There are Coaches on each weekend at the prescribed time, take advantage!
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    drudgydrudgy Member Posts: 367 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    aquitaine985 wrote: »
    As the leader of your respective fleet, have you considered reaching out to other members of your group and establishing it a bit more?

    PVP can be great fun, the best games you'll ever have are probably going to be with people you know - winning or losing it makes no difference as long as you enjoyed it! Spend some time bouncing ideas off each other, taking advantage of the PVP resources the PVP Bootcamp has high-lighted and maybe bring some to the weekly relaxed PVP events on the Bootcamp TS etc? There are Coaches on each weekend at the prescribed time, take advantage!

    I certainly try to get people involved in PvP but my fleet is pretty small to begin with. It's pretty rare to get a full team going, so the few of us who actually do PvP tend to look for teams in OPVP and roll like that. Not to say i'm not open to recruiting folks, but that alone has it's own odd issues sometimes.
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    gradstudent1gradstudent1 Member Posts: 633 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Being the odd duck I answered in the wrong thread.
    To recap, I enjoyed though I was not able to do more than listen.

    Mic issues, Roach? G'hargh never seems to have these issues:D
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