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I like this version of the Borg Origin, could we use it here in STO?
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Personally, I like to take the ideas from the Legacy Origin story and the unused origin story from Voyager (where the Borg originated from a military bio-weapon project gone awry).
Voyager 6 stumbles into the Tranwarp Apparature we saw in Endgame (but at the time it was two-way wormhole) and it found its way into the Delta Quadrant and found by an alien race. They took it to a secure facility, and used probes to examine and understand it (which later V'ger mistook those probes as the "machine race"). They used nanite probes that eventually malfunction when interacting with the RTG generator, and that accident created the first Borg. And from there the Borg plague spread like a zombie apolocypse. Then the Borg used primate spacecraft to expand, and over hundreds of years, began to take control of most of the Delta Quadrant.
Well that's my take.
But ultimately at this point in startrek's life, something as important as the borg origin is impossible to say what it the right one, which is the 'canonical' origin.
As the old saying goes "too many cooks'..."
Too many creators have truely spoiled the canon of star trek ^^
(but yeah i also enjoyed Star Trek Legacy's origin story )
The Borg command ships resemble V'Ger, so there's clearly something of a connection there in STO.
As others have pointed out, the Borg Command ships from the Red Alerts and Hive Onslaught resember V'Ger, and I recall that certain devs have liked the idea too.
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As for a Borg - V'ger connection, sorry I don't see it and I'll give my reason with one name, Ilia.
V'ger could assimilate a humanoid lifeform, convert it into pure data and reproduce it perfectly in mechanical form. Being capable of that, why would it resort to creating the clunky grotesque abominations that are the Borg? It just doesn't add up.
Remember V'ger thought machines were the only true lifeforms, it had no use for "carbon units".
My take is that the Borg are the result of an experiment in nanotechnology that ran amok or maybe the result of a megalomaniacal scientist whose work wasn't getting the acclaim she thought it should, so she let it loose, creating the Borg with her as it's first queen and the pattern for all future queens.
Or TNG, millenia old?
There are certainly devs on the team that would agree with you
Ah, that's right! Ever the TMP fan aren't you Dan? :P
Seeing as this is a videogame though, the origins of the Borg is definitely something that should be explored. I would like to see the Borg in this game become more of the TNG Borg though. They were much scarier and intimidating.
Those Borg babies still give me creeps. Brrrrrr......
V'Ger (Voyager 6) was lost sometime in the 1970s, and later found by the Enterprise in 2271. I don't see how V'Ger could have been "the origin of the Borg" when the Borg were around for atleast 500 years before Voyager 6 disappered. Unless you factor in time travel, which is a whole different matter entirely.
They had to start somewhere, and it's entirely possible that V'Ger's appearance changed them, converting them from what they were into the Borg we're familiar with
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
This is the theory that I tend to lean towards. The Borg clearly pre-date V'Ger, but who is to say that the entity or entities that created V'Ger weren't also connected to the Borg previously.
It certainly would be fun to go back and investigate all of this. I refuse to change my forum avatar until we get a V'Ger origin feature episode series!
Thirdly again in Q-Who Guinan, who race are incredibly long lived 500 - 700 years and therefore must have an incredible living memory as a species, says the Borg have existed for thousands of years.
Finally most detrimental to the Borg/V'ger connection is that in the Voyager episode "Dragons Teeth" the re-awakened Vaadwaur state that 900 years ago the Borg were of no consequence and had just assimilated a few minor colonies.
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You spelled canon as 'cannon'
V'Ger was never part of the Borg, merely a passerby that was never officially part of the Collective (nothing ever is until they're assimilated)
Within Star Trek, there are a number of contradictions on it's own facts. We must keep that in mind as we go about the lore
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Yeah it's 5:20 am here and I am tired, I was going through my Grammar and spelling mistakes as you posted
As for Lore contradicting itself I think that there is a lot more evidence against the possibility of V'ger being connected to the Borg than there is for it!
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The Borg Documentary 1 of 2
The Borg Documentary 2 of 2
Worth watching I think, on the subject.
For me it was cool to watch, and brought back a few memories from watching Star Trek long ago.
As for the Borg origons... I think it started with X race trying to improve themselves with cybernetic enhancements.. like the cybermen from doctor who.
This is how I imagined it myself, or something along of a race trying to improve themselves using Nanites and something went wrong
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Actually in Voyager they proved what was said in TNG that the Borg only controlled a few systems in 1484, which makes them over 900 years old (which justified the millenium comment in TNG).
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They travel through time and space, and obviously the one Voyager 6 encountered took it over 900 years into the past.
You suggesting the machine race that fiddled with V'ger and created the Borg? In a way it's ironic that instead of biologicals creating artificial life, its the other way around where aritifical life created biological life.
If that is the case, what bothers me is why are the Borg striving for perfection if they regard machanical life as perfect?
To be honest though, I don't care to know much more about the Borg than to ascertain how much phaser fire it takes to kill them. They don't feel pain, experience fear or remorse, and they can't be reasoned with. There is only one form of diplomacy for an enemy like that, and that's gunboat diplomacy. I'm all for a Borg origin story, so long as it makes me more effective at killing them.
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Well, that's entirely up to your team and CBS, now isn't it? :P
My preference since the origins of the Borg (according to Guinan) coincide roughly with the fall of the Iconians AND since we know the Iconians' master weapon was a computer virus...
Is that V'Ger popped up 200,000 years ago in the near corners of the Delta Quadrant. Possibly due to Tholian tampering.
Everyone in the galaxy scrambled to pull technology from the future to overthrow the Iconians who enslaved them. The Borg lead the charge.
(Although one of my preferences is actually that the Borg began as machine life and started out by adding on organic components to shield against the Iconian computer weapon. The Borg clearly don't believe that pure machine life is REALLY superior and using organics is a rather silly affectation when you think about it. There has to be a reason they continue to assimilate people instead of just sucking the information from their brains and building robots.)
My preferred take is this:
They began as machines. The Iconian computer weapon forced them to take on organic components. They still haven't perfected how to shield against the Iconian virus and until the machine half is perfect, they rely on cybernetic fusion to organics.
They had to compromise themselves by incorporating organics to survive.