just about every mmo has better pvp then sto and you HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT "aim bots in rts? what rts game has any type of aim bot your the guy who said no game in the last 20 yeas has a viable pvp and i list mmo's you say "oh not many people play those list games with a pvp focus" so i list pvp focused games and you say oh those are not mmo's" your a fanboy go kill some npc's
Hate to bust your bubble, but STO was never designed around PVP. They tried, with the KDF faction early on to be " the " pvp faction but well... look where it got them.
A solely pvp focused game that made plenty, had a large palyer base, and survived for a long time? Planetside 1. 6+ years of that game I played, as a subscriber, and so did plenty of others.
Hate to bust your bubble, but STO was never designed around PVP. They tried, with the KDF faction early on to be " the " pvp faction but well... look where it got them.
A solely pvp focused game that made plenty, had a large palyer base, and survived for a long time? Planetside 1. 6+ years of that game I played, as a subscriber, and so did plenty of others.
yes good example planetside but according to some no game in the last 20 years has a viable pvp
Wow you are so clueless it's actually kinda funny.
CoH, SWTOR, CO, LotRO, all games with worse PvP then STO. Well actually if you read the forms every MMO has bad PvP, according to the people who play it.
"aim bots in rts? what rts game has any type of aim bot
:rolleyes:
Try actually reading what people say next time huh?
your the guy who said no game in the last 20 yeas has a viable pvp
No actually I'm not. There's no doubt that there are PvP focused games that are very popular, but talking about how popular those games are on a MMO form means quite honestly nothing.
your a fanboy go kill some npc's
On noes, he called me a fanboy... I guess he found the magic "I win the argument" card and used it on me.
Hear that, that was the sound of the joke going over his head.
oh so now it was a joke? in the same way as all your post? nice sound effects the fact that you almost have 400 post shows that you spend too much time defending this game
If you bothered to read the post, and assuming you're capable of basic reading comprehension...
I was saying that the Blue rockem-sockem robot is overpowered compared to the red one. If you don't see the joke in that, well I don't know what else to say.
Wow you are so clueless it's actually kinda funny.
CoH, SWTOR, CO, LotRO, all games with worse PvP then STO. Well actually if you read the forms every MMO has bad PvP, according to the people who play it.
I can vouch for LOTRO. The Klingon faction at launch is more fleshed out that the evil faction in LOTRO, and it's that way by design. No PVE whatsoever, no visual customization at all, confined to a single small area, limited access to equipment, items that are balanced by being completely disabled in PVP, ect ect ect. No contest whatsoever.
Yeah, I played LotRO for a while but never got into the PvM thing, which was as close as that game got to PvP. It was an interesting concept as far as it goes, considering the IP they were working with wouldn't really allow much in the way of PvP.
yeah but how old is wot i dont think it will be the same in 2 years and im not talking about the afk'ers and balance problems ect. just the fact that there has been nothing done in 3 years
If I remember correctly, WoT came out of open beta almost 2 years ago which I think makes it a good comparison.
Talk about nothing being done. WoT has those issues too. No damage penetrations complaints still continue to this day ever since the game's early days. Their devs say it's "working as intended". Their regular patches mainly feature, you guessed it, more tanks. Game mechanic fixes? They trickle in little by little often times fixing things most people don't experience. They have microtransactions that let you buy ammunition that will let you penetrate things you couldn't penetrate before. Pay to win anyone?
This should all sound very familiar. I'll give you that PvP is important, but focusing on it doesn't solve your problems.
Does anyone else think that all these new ship are a little pointless with no real pvp or any reason to pvp? I know they need to make money but would'nt they sell more ships if there was some fun pvp? Boot camp should show cryptic that there is a big interest in pvp and its worth investing in. I feel sorry for the boot camp grads because there is really no reason to put their new skills to use.
I know the devs said pvp is going to be worked on but c'mon season 9 is too far away and they did even say season 9 was going to be pvp so it might not even be this year.
From a pvp'er with no reason to log in
Krag
I think its just a way of saying, "I have a new ship so im better then you"
I can vouch for LOTRO. The Klingon faction at launch is more fleshed out that the evil faction in LOTRO, and it's that way by design. No PVE whatsoever, no visual customization at all, confined to a single small area, limited access to equipment, items that are balanced by being completely disabled in PVP, ect ect ect. No contest whatsoever.
LOTRO does fine with that model.
I've dabbled in monster play in LOTRO -- even though I do not enjoy pvp at all. The bulk of my time has been doing pve. The Ettenmoors has a bunch of pve quests you can do without engaging in pvp at all, as long as you realize you are in a pvp zone and can be attacked at any time. I've just been lucky enough to be able to do most of it without running into freeps.
They do have visual customization of a sort; that is, you can completely replace your look with a totally new look, but you can't pick and choose individual uniform options.
But LOTRO does have a rather dedicated monster play community, albeit a small one.
In reference to the OP: Ships are not just for pvp. A lot of players like to use different ships on different characters. They are fun.
In addition, in most MMOs that have both pvp and strong pve/quest content, the pvp community is usually a very small subset of the playerbase. Pvp is important, but it is not the main focus for most players.
Star Trek, in general, is not about PVP. I view PVP(meaning this is how it comes across to me) in Star Trek as a feature that was thrown in just to appease the small percentage of players that think PVP should be in every online game to ever be created. The fact that I am hardly ever reminded in game the PVP even exists in this game, to me, means that it is just fine the way it is. My opinion even though it is not a popular one
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
Star Trek, in general, is not about PVP. I view PVP(meaning this is how it comes across to me) in Star Trek as a feature that was thrown in just to appease the small percentage of players that think PVP should be in every online game to ever be created. The fact that I am hardly ever reminded in game the PVP even exists in this game, to me, means that it is just fine the way it is. My opinion even though it is not a popular one
You're not alone in this regard
Laws of thermodynamics as applied to life: 0 - You must play the game. 1 - You can't win. 2 - You can't break even. 3 - You can't quit.
Would be nice to have more PVP maps rather than ships but ships dont make it or break it in PvP...mostly your skills that reflect if you win or lose.
If I can take it a step further what about GROUND PvPs? Ships dont matter there at all. Perhaps you should have re-titled your thread to Space PvPs, PVEs or STFs...then you could get a different audience. IMO this is the wrong discussion
Star Trek, in general, is not about PVP. I view PVP(meaning this is how it comes across to me) in Star Trek as a feature that was thrown in just to appease the small percentage of players that think PVP should be in every online game to ever be created. The fact that I am hardly ever reminded in game the PVP even exists in this game, to me, means that it is just fine the way it is. My opinion even though it is not a popular one
Maybe you should of just asked for new KDF ships instead , I mean it stands about the same amount of chance as PvP actually getting dev time , and its the PvP faction so two birds one stone and all that.
Oh and the people complaining that the game should all be PVE with respect pull your head out of your butts, PvPers (and the KDF for that matter) may be a small percentage of the player base but some of them pay money to play this game to so their imput and focus should get looked at by the devs at some point. The selfishness and self entitlement of people these days really is shocking.
to be honest, the ships have nothing to do with pvp.. i mean different builds can make a difference.. so that has something to do with it.. but honestly.. pvp is ok in this game.. i play both.. lets look at it..
first point is pvp is all about one player killing the other.. do they now give you several maps to do that with.. do that not nerf bat everything that comes out cause active pvp players cry at the slightest hint of difficulty.. i know i like when something is new and a little bit more powerfull, it finally gives me a reason to look at my spec and find something that can work against it.. (thus making pvp interesting for a short stint for me).
i understand that some new maps would be nice, and im all for them, but realistically, a ship designer making a ship has nothing to do with a map in pvp being made. i can see the argument about the amount of klink ships to the amount of fed ships being released, but the argument about ships being released some how cheapening, or downplaying pvp is kind of off the mark..
they have shown time and time again that they do not care about the little guys in the game.. they look at metrics, and make decisions based on that. if roughly 20 percent of the player base is playing pvp on a regular bases, while 80 percent is playing pve, guess which one they are gonna tackle first..
and lastly, they have made failed attempts at the pvp system in the past.. making gozer the guy incharge of figuring it out, and then watching him pack up and leave just kinda sucked..
again, i love pvp as well, there are alot of changes and new toys id like to see incorperated, but to be perfectly honest, i play lots of other mmo's and this games pvp is kinda on par with most other games.. its kind of a basic type of gameplay that doesnt get as much attention cause its just not needed.. again, the point of pvp is either capture and hold, or blow eachother up, and nothing that cryptic has done has made that impossible to do..
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this guy acts like he knows everything according to him eve online does'nt have a viable pvp
Hate to bust your bubble, but STO was never designed around PVP. They tried, with the KDF faction early on to be " the " pvp faction but well... look where it got them.
A solely pvp focused game that made plenty, had a large palyer base, and survived for a long time? Planetside 1. 6+ years of that game I played, as a subscriber, and so did plenty of others.
That said, PVPers are people too, and should have their fun and get some attention.
yes good example planetside but according to some no game in the last 20 years has a viable pvp
Wow you are so clueless it's actually kinda funny.
CoH, SWTOR, CO, LotRO, all games with worse PvP then STO. Well actually if you read the forms every MMO has bad PvP, according to the people who play it.
:rolleyes:
Try actually reading what people say next time huh?
No actually I'm not. There's no doubt that there are PvP focused games that are very popular, but talking about how popular those games are on a MMO form means quite honestly nothing.
On noes, he called me a fanboy... I guess he found the magic "I win the argument" card and used it on me.
Yes, but its probably going to be a long while. It took them 3 years to make a new STF! :P
*wooosh*
Hear that, that was the sound of the joke going over his head.
* Chokes on tea. *
oh so now it was a joke? in the same way as all your post? nice sound effects the fact that you almost have 400 post shows that you spend too much time defending this game
Yes it was a joke...
If you bothered to read the post, and assuming you're capable of basic reading comprehension...
I was saying that the Blue rockem-sockem robot is overpowered compared to the red one. If you don't see the joke in that, well
I can vouch for LOTRO. The Klingon faction at launch is more fleshed out that the evil faction in LOTRO, and it's that way by design. No PVE whatsoever, no visual customization at all, confined to a single small area, limited access to equipment, items that are balanced by being completely disabled in PVP, ect ect ect. No contest whatsoever.
LOTRO does fine with that model.
Yeah, I played LotRO for a while but never got into the PvM thing, which was as close as that game got to PvP. It was an interesting concept as far as it goes, considering the IP they were working with wouldn't really allow much in the way of PvP.
If I remember correctly, WoT came out of open beta almost 2 years ago which I think makes it a good comparison.
Talk about nothing being done. WoT has those issues too. No damage penetrations complaints still continue to this day ever since the game's early days. Their devs say it's "working as intended". Their regular patches mainly feature, you guessed it, more tanks. Game mechanic fixes? They trickle in little by little often times fixing things most people don't experience. They have microtransactions that let you buy ammunition that will let you penetrate things you couldn't penetrate before. Pay to win anyone?
This should all sound very familiar. I'll give you that PvP is important, but focusing on it doesn't solve your problems.
I think its just a way of saying, "I have a new ship so im better then you"
I've dabbled in monster play in LOTRO -- even though I do not enjoy pvp at all. The bulk of my time has been doing pve. The Ettenmoors has a bunch of pve quests you can do without engaging in pvp at all, as long as you realize you are in a pvp zone and can be attacked at any time. I've just been lucky enough to be able to do most of it without running into freeps.
They do have visual customization of a sort; that is, you can completely replace your look with a totally new look, but you can't pick and choose individual uniform options.
But LOTRO does have a rather dedicated monster play community, albeit a small one.
In reference to the OP: Ships are not just for pvp. A lot of players like to use different ships on different characters. They are fun.
In addition, in most MMOs that have both pvp and strong pve/quest content, the pvp community is usually a very small subset of the playerbase. Pvp is important, but it is not the main focus for most players.
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
You're not alone in this regard
Agreed with this....
C store ships NOT EQUAL to PVPs....
Would be nice to have more PVP maps rather than ships but ships dont make it or break it in PvP...mostly your skills that reflect if you win or lose.
If I can take it a step further what about GROUND PvPs? Ships dont matter there at all. Perhaps you should have re-titled your thread to Space PvPs, PVEs or STFs...then you could get a different audience. IMO this is the wrong discussion
Indeed, but Cryptic has said they will do something with PVP stuff eventually.
Oh and the people complaining that the game should all be PVE with respect pull your head out of your butts, PvPers (and the KDF for that matter) may be a small percentage of the player base but some of them pay money to play this game to so their imput and focus should get looked at by the devs at some point. The selfishness and self entitlement of people these days really is shocking.
Whatchoo talkin bout Willis?
first point is pvp is all about one player killing the other.. do they now give you several maps to do that with.. do that not nerf bat everything that comes out cause active pvp players cry at the slightest hint of difficulty.. i know i like when something is new and a little bit more powerfull, it finally gives me a reason to look at my spec and find something that can work against it.. (thus making pvp interesting for a short stint for me).
i understand that some new maps would be nice, and im all for them, but realistically, a ship designer making a ship has nothing to do with a map in pvp being made. i can see the argument about the amount of klink ships to the amount of fed ships being released, but the argument about ships being released some how cheapening, or downplaying pvp is kind of off the mark..
they have shown time and time again that they do not care about the little guys in the game.. they look at metrics, and make decisions based on that. if roughly 20 percent of the player base is playing pvp on a regular bases, while 80 percent is playing pve, guess which one they are gonna tackle first..
and lastly, they have made failed attempts at the pvp system in the past.. making gozer the guy incharge of figuring it out, and then watching him pack up and leave just kinda sucked..
again, i love pvp as well, there are alot of changes and new toys id like to see incorperated, but to be perfectly honest, i play lots of other mmo's and this games pvp is kinda on par with most other games.. its kind of a basic type of gameplay that doesnt get as much attention cause its just not needed.. again, the point of pvp is either capture and hold, or blow eachother up, and nothing that cryptic has done has made that impossible to do..