It was a simple post. It is the middle of the night. Fleets send me videos all the time and this was a harmless request.
The team is working many hours a week and addressing feedback and building our biggest update ever. If you can't have fun, then what is the point?
You'd think that a person would be given a little latitude to ask if there are any fleets that want to send in a funny video to get featured at a company meeting.
But if this bothers you then just ignore it.
Sorry Dan, but my fleet is busy grinding fleet marks... isnt that what you want of your player base??? To grind all the time.. fix the game so we can enjoy it and maybe.. we can have time to do some dance stuff.. till then master.. we grind the marks *bows*
You would also think a developer would take the time to talk to the community reguarding a pressing matter, after almost 205 pages, and 89,000 views... just saying...
After all this grinding, I may become enough of a brainless zombie to do your every bidding when it comes to dance crazes. Until then I guess i will just have to be a brainless zombie in STO.
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If there are any fleets or a crazy awesome group of players who've made a Harlem Shake video of their characters in game, post a link.
I'd like to feature your video at our next company meeting.
Thx
Hi dastahl,
I'd try make something for you guys, but then I remembered I'm in a one man fleet. and so there wouldn't be a whole lot of shaking going on.. But I do know who I'd ask though.
It was a simple post. It is the middle of the night. Fleets send me videos all the time and this was a harmless request.
The team is working many hours a week and addressing feedback and building our biggest update ever. If you can't have fun, then what is the point?
You'd think that a person would be given a little latitude to ask if there are any fleets that want to send in a funny video to get featured at a company meeting.
But if this bothers you then just ignore it.
Under most circumstances, you'd be right. But, you also, before the weekend, posted, in Smaller Fleets eyes, the equivalent of giving the middle finger to Small Fleet progression in Fleet Marks. That has made a lot on the Forums rather angry (Your Post has over 2000 replies at the time of this post). With only leaving BranFlakes keeping herd on it.
Honestly, if you thought this was a good idea and wanted Positive Community help, you should of forwarded this to BranFlakes and let OCR handle it.
Thank you for the time...
STO CBT Player - 400 day+ Vet, Currently Silver
Cryptic, would you actulaly like me to spend actual Money? It's Simple:
Full, Story-driven, select from start 1-50 Klingon Side
Scrap current Lock Box & Lobi system for something more reasonable
Expand Dil and Rep/Fleet Marks to regular story content
See, this is why we go through those quiet periods when then devs stay out of the forums whenever possible. Then people complain about the lack of interaction.
Sure I'll dance but it will cost you 30000 Dilithium, 250 Entertainment provisions, 5000 expertise and 100 Aldebaran Whiskey.
Or
I'll dance the moment you make the Hanger Attack Ships open to all the own the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier.
think u left out 1000 Tribble Carcass :rolleyes:
i woulld love to dance but i have no time i have to sit in first city and get new members for my fleet because we lost about 150 active members since season 7 came out aww and grind fleet marks were im betting i get AFK farmers so be lucky to get 15 marks per-mission :mad:
If there are any fleets or a crazy awesome group of players who've made a Harlem Shake video of their characters in game, post a link.
I'd like to feature your video at our next company meeting.
Thx
Dan,
I think this is a fun idea, i do not see any problem or issue in promoting fun, its all fun an games until someone sends you the hulk hogan tape by accident. :P
It was a simple post. It is the middle of the night. Fleets send me videos all the time and this was a harmless request.
Mr Stahl, with all due respect there is a time and a place for japery. While this is the place, this is not the time especially with that thread still going on.
The team is working many hours a week and addressing feedback and building our biggest update ever. If you can't have fun, then what is the point?
My bold. This is the question many of us forumites have been asking ourselves as of late.
We all need to kick back once in a while, especially when working harder for longer than usual. I get this, I really do. I also get what can happen when people aren't allowed to do so, having first hand experience of this during my time in Iraq and Afghanistan. Those around us knew that we had to take a little downtime and have some fun from time to time, but we the enlisted ranks knew that there is always a time and a place where it is not appropriate to do so.
You'd think that a person would be given a little latitude to ask if there are any fleets that want to send in a funny video to get featured at a company meeting.
Normally we would, but there are seriously unhappy people on this forum. In fact, this thread alone has generated another few dozen posts (as of 20 mins ago) commenting on the fact that this thread comes into existence at a time like this!
But if it is a video you desire, then perhaps we the community should knock one together that showcases our concerns? I'm sure there are forumites who would be happy to do so on the proviso that it leads to positive change for the better.
But if this bothers you then just ignore it.
Would the company like it if this were the logic we applied to the game as a whole? Mr Stahl, you run a Star Trek game and as such you and the company have almost guaranteed loyalty from the fanbase on the proviso that this loyalty is not ignored. Unfortunately, we the players feel that this is what has happened.
[Aside] Hmm, I have to look into this "Harlem shake" thingamajig. If we did this once our concerns were acknowledged and addressed, would you and some of the devs be good enough to post a demo of this "Harlem shake"?
The irony of this statment considering what has happened before the weekend.
Unless of course bunny tagging is considered fun and actual content, which again is pretty ironic considering your comments back 2010 (see my sig).
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
Don't you think that if a decision about fleetmarks was made, it wouldn't be in the patchnotes or in the official thread?
I don't mind having devs posting on the forums during their free time. They are entitled to have their own concerns too. If the man wants videos from the community then it might take 10 minutes at the beginning of his next meeting - what a big deal! :P
I get why most of the devs don't post on the forums, there's just too much feelings and too many touchy people in there. Overreaction is the rule. On a side note, if you don't like grinding don't do it, you don't need a T72 starbase.
What makes the difference between those who have fun and those who don't here are those who understand the difference between "need" and "want".
If there are any fleets or a crazy awesome group of players who've made a Harlem Shake video of their characters in game, post a link.
I'd like to feature your video at our next company meeting.
Thx
Sorry, I was not going to comment on this post because there seem to be a lot of people who jumped on you for this about. But, I have to say, after looking this up, if this is what you a planning to feature at your next company meeting, it make me understand why the game is in the state that it is.
Can I recommend another video you can feature? Here is a great talk by Raph Koster. http://youtu.be/nRCrMWvQsoM Some good lessons here for the Dev team.
"Star Trek Online is powered by the most abundant resource in the galaxy . . . Gullibility"
Can I recommend another video you can feature? Here is a great talk by Raph Koster. http://youtu.be/nRCrMWvQsoM Some good lessons here for the Dev team.
Thanks for sharing, I'll be sure to watch it later!
What makes the difference between those who have fun and those who don't here are those who understand the difference between "need" and "want".
I "want" to have fun, but the devs feel that I "need" to do the same content over and over again. I "want" to have fun, but the devs feel that I "need" shinny new ships instead of actual bug fixes. I "want" to have fun, but the devs feel the "need" to ignore the Tribble server forums and release new bugs. I "want" to have fun, but the power at be feels that we "need" Harlem shake videos at the next company meeting.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
If I can dress like a Spider-Man, Chicken, or Firefighter, I'm up for this.
stardestroyer001, Admiral, Explorers Fury PvE/PvP Fleet | Retired PvP Player
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The team is working many hours a week and addressing feedback and building our biggest update ever. If you can't have fun, then what is the point?
rofl... You have over 2,000 posts within this thread that are saying "Star Trek: Online" is no longer fun. As a result of Cryptic: creating endless grinding, nerfing rewards, nerfing content, not making enough resources available, ignoring the kdf faction, abandoning featured episodes, ignoring PvP, not showing empathy or effort to help small fleets, not reducing resource requirements, creating too many currencies, changing the rules every other day, and publicly reducing the consumer to a mathematical problem, you guys took the fun out of "Star Trek: Online".
While many of us are buying endless zen, you damaged "Star Trek: Online" with endless grinding.
Your team should be fired.
I invested over $200 into "Star Trek: Online" (zen purchases), for I liked what I saw and experienced in Season Five. ...and, I believed in the potential of this game. Even though many 'promises' never came true, I still invested money into your game. Why? I bought into the idea that "Star Trek: Online's" better days are ahead. Was I wrong?
You want players to do your dirty work. Look at the foundry spotlight and PvP boot camp. Instead of trying to solve these issues in house, you hid behind other players to save face. People are investing into "Star Trek: Online" because they believe in you, and you let groups of loyal "Star Trek" fans down.
Wow i'm surprised at the people responding to this thread.
All Dan wanted was a video of the Harlem Shake in STO and people just start ripping into him and the Devs? What is wrong with having a little fun sometimes eh? For all the hard work the team does the least I could do is send them a funny video.
I'd say yes, but in between getting disconnected and heavy lag, I'm busy gathering whatever fleet marks I can like a homeless person picking up pennies for food.
Wow i'm surprised at the people responding to this thread.
All Dan wanted was a video of the Harlem Shake in STO and people just start ripping into him and the Devs? What is wrong with having a little fun sometimes eh? For all the hard work the team does the least I could do is send them a funny video.
Nope. I'm well aware of the issues in STO, but honestly there are already countless threads about them on the forums as it is. The Dev's i'm sure are more than aware of them, and tearing into the Dev's here is just bad tact.
Wow i'm surprised at the people responding to this thread.
All Dan wanted was a video of the Harlem Shake in STO and people just start ripping into him and the Devs? What is wrong with having a little fun sometimes eh? For all the hard work the team does the least I could do is send them a funny video.
Read my previous post, #41 at the top of page 5.
But to summarize what I said: TIME AND PLACE.
rofl... You have over 2,000 posts within this thread that are saying "Star Trek: Online" is no longer fun. As a result of Cryptic: creating endless grinding, nerfing rewards, nerfing content, not making enough resources available, ignoring the kdf faction, abandoning featured episodes, ignoring PvP, not showing empathy or effort to help small fleets, not reducing resource requirements, creating too many currencies, changing the rules every other day, and publicly reducing the consumer to a mathematical problem, you guys took the fun out of "Star Trek: Online".
While many of us are buying endless zen, you damaged "Star Trek: Online" with endless grinding.
Your team should be fired.
I invested over $200 into "Star Trek: Online" (zen purchases), for I liked what I saw and experienced in Season Five. ...and, I believed in the potential of this game. Even though many 'promises' never came true, I still invested money into your game. Why? I bought into the idea that "Star Trek: Online's" better days are ahead. Was I wrong?
You want players to do your dirty work. Look at the foundry spotlight and PvP boot camp. Instead of trying to solve these issues in house, you hid behind other players to save face. People are investing into "Star Trek: Online" because they believe in you, and you let groups of loyal "Star Trek" fans down.
I have no problem with Dan asking for dance videos.....but this post is very good observation of many of the issues we have experienced.
...and, that is exaclty what you did to 'paying zen' and 'paying subscribers'. You ignored them.
Giving everyone a sale on zen will not solve these issues.
Cryptic told us the future of "Star Trek: Online", players invested, and then the developers delivered something entirely different.
Cryptic needs to take some personal responsibility.
I have no problem with Dan asking for dance videos.....but this post is very good observation of many of the issues we have experienced.
It was a simple post. It is the middle of the night. Fleets send me videos all the time and this was a harmless request.
The team is working many hours a week and addressing feedback and building our biggest update ever. If you can't have fun, then what is the point?
You'd think that a person would be given a little latitude to ask if there are any fleets that want to send in a funny video to get featured at a company meeting.
rofl... You have over 2,000 posts within this thread that are saying "Star Trek: Online" is no longer fun. As a result of Cryptic: creating endless grinding, nerfing rewards, nerfing content, not making enough resources available, ignoring the kdf faction, abandoning featured episodes, ignoring PvP, not showing empathy or effort to help small fleets, not reducing resource requirements, creating too many currencies, changing the rules every other day, and publicly reducing the consumer to a mathematical problem, you guys took the fun out of "Star Trek: Online".
While many of us are buying endless zen, you damaged "Star Trek: Online" with endless grinding.
Your team should be fired.
I invested over $200 into "Star Trek: Online" (zen purchases), for I liked what I saw and experienced in Season Five. ...and, I believed in the potential of this game. Even though many 'promises' never came true, I still invested money into your game. Why? I bought into the idea that "Star Trek: Online's" better days are ahead. Was I wrong?
You want players to do your dirty work. Look at the foundry spotlight and PvP boot camp. Instead of trying to solve these issues in house, you hid behind other players to save face. People are investing into "Star Trek: Online" because they believe in you, and you let groups of loyal "Star Trek" fans down.
Funny post. You're confusing investor and customer. When you pay for a service (let's say a prostitute), the service provider owes you the service. You get it, you consume it and the relationship between you and the hooker stops there. The brother she works in owes you nothing after that, once you get what you paid for. If the brothel decides this prostitute has to become a man, plays in movies with elephants and tigers, it's not your buisness because you didin't invest in her.
You don't invest anything in games either. Consider you're buying something you will completely consume, but it gives you no right on buisness decisions. If they are wrong for the buisness then it doesn't matter because you got what you bought earlier. If you're an investor then you have shares and you may contribute to decisions but i bet you have no right on what is done at cryptic because only perfect worlds owns the company currently. If the game fails well it's their own fault and they will be the only ones to blame. And if it's successfull, well you're in the acceptable amount of player they can afford to loose for the sake of the game after specific changes.
Read my previous post, #41 at the top of page 5.
But to summarize what I said: TIME AND PLACE.
Yes, TIME AND PLACE. This may be the time to complain, but this is not the PLACE. If you think a 200+ page thread is going to go unnoticed to the point where you need to flood this message everywhere there is a dev or branflakes in sight, you need to reevaluate your strategy and consider what you really hope to achieve. What you're doing now doesn't help solve the problem. In fact, it could make it worse as I'm pretty sure the devs aren't going to open any lines of dialog on the forums especially w/ conversations that look like this. They will probably be taking advice from podcasters or large fleet leaders as that's probably the only place where a civil conversation can occur.
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Sorry Dan, but my fleet is busy grinding fleet marks... isnt that what you want of your player base??? To grind all the time.. fix the game so we can enjoy it and maybe.. we can have time to do some dance stuff.. till then master.. we grind the marks *bows*
You would also think a developer would take the time to talk to the community reguarding a pressing matter, after almost 205 pages, and 89,000 views... just saying...
Harden up Princess
Looking for an Oceanic fleet? Check out our website:
www.ausmonauts.com
Hi dastahl,
I'd try make something for you guys, but then I remembered I'm in a one man fleet. and so there wouldn't be a whole lot of shaking going on.. But I do know who I'd ask though.
See Starfish1 link in my sig.
Under most circumstances, you'd be right.
But, you also, before the weekend, posted, in Smaller Fleets eyes, the equivalent of giving the middle finger to Small Fleet progression in Fleet Marks. That has made a lot on the Forums rather angry (Your Post has over 2000 replies at the time of this post). With only leaving BranFlakes keeping herd on it.
Honestly, if you thought this was a good idea and wanted Positive Community help, you should of forwarded this to BranFlakes and let OCR handle it.
Thank you for the time...
Cryptic, would you actulaly like me to spend actual Money? It's Simple:
Join The Space Invaders,..... Federation and KDF fleets.
Or
I'll dance the moment you make the Hanger Attack Ships open to all the own the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier.
think u left out 1000 Tribble Carcass :rolleyes:
i woulld love to dance but i have no time i have to sit in first city and get new members for my fleet because we lost about 150 active members since season 7 came out
Dan,
I think this is a fun idea, i do not see any problem or issue in promoting fun, its all fun an games until someone sends you the hulk hogan tape by accident. :P
Mr Stahl, with all due respect there is a time and a place for japery. While this is the place, this is not the time especially with that thread still going on.
My bold. This is the question many of us forumites have been asking ourselves as of late.
We all need to kick back once in a while, especially when working harder for longer than usual. I get this, I really do. I also get what can happen when people aren't allowed to do so, having first hand experience of this during my time in Iraq and Afghanistan. Those around us knew that we had to take a little downtime and have some fun from time to time, but we the enlisted ranks knew that there is always a time and a place where it is not appropriate to do so.
Normally we would, but there are seriously unhappy people on this forum. In fact, this thread alone has generated another few dozen posts (as of 20 mins ago) commenting on the fact that this thread comes into existence at a time like this!
But if it is a video you desire, then perhaps we the community should knock one together that showcases our concerns? I'm sure there are forumites who would be happy to do so on the proviso that it leads to positive change for the better.
Would the company like it if this were the logic we applied to the game as a whole? Mr Stahl, you run a Star Trek game and as such you and the company have almost guaranteed loyalty from the fanbase on the proviso that this loyalty is not ignored. Unfortunately, we the players feel that this is what has happened.
[Aside] Hmm, I have to look into this "Harlem shake" thingamajig. If we did this once our concerns were acknowledged and addressed, would you and some of the devs be good enough to post a demo of this "Harlem shake"?
The irony of this statment considering what has happened before the weekend.
Unless of course bunny tagging is considered fun and actual content, which again is pretty ironic considering your comments back 2010 (see my sig).
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
Yeah, that was a plug. GET THOSE EMOTES BACK IN THE GAME!!! :P
I don't mind having devs posting on the forums during their free time. They are entitled to have their own concerns too. If the man wants videos from the community then it might take 10 minutes at the beginning of his next meeting - what a big deal! :P
I get why most of the devs don't post on the forums, there's just too much feelings and too many touchy people in there. Overreaction is the rule. On a side note, if you don't like grinding don't do it, you don't need a T72 starbase.
What makes the difference between those who have fun and those who don't here are those who understand the difference between "need" and "want".
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
Sorry, I was not going to comment on this post because there seem to be a lot of people who jumped on you for this about. But, I have to say, after looking this up, if this is what you a planning to feature at your next company meeting, it make me understand why the game is in the state that it is.
Can I recommend another video you can feature? Here is a great talk by Raph Koster. http://youtu.be/nRCrMWvQsoM Some good lessons here for the Dev team.
Thanks for sharing, I'll be sure to watch it later!
I "want" to have fun, but the devs feel that I "need" to do the same content over and over again. I "want" to have fun, but the devs feel that I "need" shinny new ships instead of actual bug fixes. I "want" to have fun, but the devs feel the "need" to ignore the Tribble server forums and release new bugs. I "want" to have fun, but the power at be feels that we "need" Harlem shake videos at the next company meeting.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
Missing the good ol' days of PvP: Legacy of Romulus to Season 9
My List of Useful Links, Recently Updated November 25 2017!
rofl... You have over 2,000 posts within this thread that are saying "Star Trek: Online" is no longer fun. As a result of Cryptic: creating endless grinding, nerfing rewards, nerfing content, not making enough resources available, ignoring the kdf faction, abandoning featured episodes, ignoring PvP, not showing empathy or effort to help small fleets, not reducing resource requirements, creating too many currencies, changing the rules every other day, and publicly reducing the consumer to a mathematical problem, you guys took the fun out of "Star Trek: Online".
While many of us are buying endless zen, you damaged "Star Trek: Online" with endless grinding.
Your team should be fired.
I invested over $200 into "Star Trek: Online" (zen purchases), for I liked what I saw and experienced in Season Five. ...and, I believed in the potential of this game. Even though many 'promises' never came true, I still invested money into your game. Why? I bought into the idea that "Star Trek: Online's" better days are ahead. Was I wrong?
You want players to do your dirty work. Look at the foundry spotlight and PvP boot camp. Instead of trying to solve these issues in house, you hid behind other players to save face. People are investing into "Star Trek: Online" because they believe in you, and you let groups of loyal "Star Trek" fans down.
...and, that is exaclty what you did to 'paying zen' and 'paying subscribers'. You ignored them.
Giving everyone a sale on zen will not solve these issues.
Cryptic told us the future of "Star Trek: Online", players invested, and then the developers delivered something entirely different.
Cryptic needs to take some personal responsibility.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=552391
207 pages, 2069 posts and 89,000+ views.
And this is the response we get.
That's whats wrong...
All Dan wanted was a video of the Harlem Shake in STO and people just start ripping into him and the Devs? What is wrong with having a little fun sometimes eh? For all the hard work the team does the least I could do is send them a funny video.
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Do you live under a rock?
Nope. I'm well aware of the issues in STO, but honestly there are already countless threads about them on the forums as it is. The Dev's i'm sure are more than aware of them, and tearing into the Dev's here is just bad tact.
Read my previous post, #41 at the top of page 5.
But to summarize what I said:
TIME AND PLACE.
I have no problem with Dan asking for dance videos.....but this post is very good observation of many of the issues we have experienced.
Awesome, so when is the video?
Funny post. You're confusing investor and customer. When you pay for a service (let's say a prostitute), the service provider owes you the service. You get it, you consume it and the relationship between you and the hooker stops there. The brother she works in owes you nothing after that, once you get what you paid for. If the brothel decides this prostitute has to become a man, plays in movies with elephants and tigers, it's not your buisness because you didin't invest in her.
You don't invest anything in games either. Consider you're buying something you will completely consume, but it gives you no right on buisness decisions. If they are wrong for the buisness then it doesn't matter because you got what you bought earlier. If you're an investor then you have shares and you may contribute to decisions but i bet you have no right on what is done at cryptic because only perfect worlds owns the company currently. If the game fails well it's their own fault and they will be the only ones to blame. And if it's successfull, well you're in the acceptable amount of player they can afford to loose for the sake of the game after specific changes.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
Yes, TIME AND PLACE. This may be the time to complain, but this is not the PLACE. If you think a 200+ page thread is going to go unnoticed to the point where you need to flood this message everywhere there is a dev or branflakes in sight, you need to reevaluate your strategy and consider what you really hope to achieve. What you're doing now doesn't help solve the problem. In fact, it could make it worse as I'm pretty sure the devs aren't going to open any lines of dialog on the forums especially w/ conversations that look like this. They will probably be taking advice from podcasters or large fleet leaders as that's probably the only place where a civil conversation can occur.