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krypter3
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Ok so I'm torn between these two vessels, I am leaning towards Odyssey cuz of the Aquarius escort and what not and cuz you know, it's the biggest starfleet ship yadaydayada.
Only problem is every bob and is dog has an Odyssey and I rarely ever see a Regent flying around...
Did I just answer me own question?
Only problem is every bob and is dog has an Odyssey and I rarely ever see a Regent flying around...
Did I just answer me own question?
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I have the Oddy pack, but I honestly dont even fly em much at all anymore. I fly the Regent and/or my Defiant 99.9% of the time.
Probably going to dismiss the Oddy's completely when I get my Vesta pack soon.
The real question you should ask yourself is this:
What kind of role do I, and by extension my starship, want to play as? (Tanker/DPS/Healer)
Once that is answered, the other forum posters will answer the other question:
Which ship is best suited for helping you attain that role?
Missing the good ol' days of PvP: Legacy of Romulus to Season 9
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IMO, for general use the tac Odyssey is by far the best of the three C-Store Odyssey hulls (sensor analysis in my experience is nowhere near as useful as others think it is, and in one PvP situation probably cost me the fight), but the Aquarius is the worst of the "extras." I'd say that the Odyssey mostly shines when it has the saucer sep available to it, and perhaps with the three-piece set. I use the set when I use my Odyssey.
But redoing my tactical toon I find myself preferring my Regent. In fact, I recently picked up the Fleet Assault Cruiser, so I likely will not be returning to the Odyssey on that toon in the foreseeable future. While it may be technically the "inferior" ship, with less hull, lower shields and one fewer console, the console is usually lost to a gimmick console, the endurance comes at the expense of maneuverability (that small amount of it can make all the difference in the world in KASE in my experience), and the wide-arc quantum torpedo adds an invaluable torpedo boost to broadside maneuvers. Also, in Elite STFs, random deaths happen often enough that separating the saucer can be a risk - get one-hit killed or have your shields stripped off at the one moment, and you're beaten and lose the saucer separation for 4-5 minutes, depending on if you have the whole set or not. The main "sticking point" I can see is that the Odyssey can be configured to be somewhat more tactical than the Regent, although if you are willing to give up science (and hopefully have someone to help you with Hazard Emitters) you can match that level of tactical BOff power with the Regent as well.
That said, I agree with the previous poster who said that you should consider what role you want to play. The Odyssey is certainly more versatile, and in its non-fleet versions the Regent is nowhere near the same tank-wise. However, the Assault Cruiser series seems to have certain levels of balance that other ships seem to lack, hence why they are favorites; that said, the Odysseys are popular due to tremendous versatility (and other reasons), so they are not to be discounted, either. I would have to say that the Regent is better at being a DPS-oriented tactical cruiser, whereas the Odyssey tilts more on the tankiness side of the equation with more room for versatility, especially with the three-pack, and if you have the saucer separation you have a high-maneuverability 'intense DPS' mode available.
Do not get the Tactical Odyssey just for its Aquarius auxiliary craft. The Aquarius will flit about a little, maybe deal a couple thousand damage, and then die as soon as anything brings their guns to bear on it or explodes near it (and since pet AI is kinda terrible, those two things tend to happen more frequently than most people would like). The Chevron Separation console from the Ops Ody is better due to it improving the mobility of the sluggish Odyssey when separated, but the Chevron itself is similarly usefulness-impaired.
Instead, get it for the frame. It's a tough ship with a decent console arrangement and both a Lt Commander and Ensign Universal officer slots.
On the other hand, the Regent is slightly more agile and has a slightly different layout when compared to an Odyssey fitted with a LtC Tactical officer, one favoring Engineering slightly for what could be considered a slightly more balanced approach. In addition, it carries the Wide-Angle Quantum Torpedo, a valuable tool for improving your broadside without further draining your weapons power. The Metreon Gas Container console and its associated Riker Maneuver power are about as hit-or-miss as the Aquarius tends to be.
If you want a torpedo launcher that helps you vroadside with THY III, Get the Regent.
I am absolutely in love with mine and I even picked up the Fleet Regent. Granted I replaced the Metreon Gas Canisters with Theta Radiation Vents, but I absolutely love the Wide Angle Torpedo Launcher.
The Odyssey? Doesn't have the amount of Tactical consoles unlike the Regent, and you have to use the Lt Cmndr uni slot for Torp High Yield III
Yes you get a shield modifier of 1.15 with the Tac Odyssey, but if you really want to dish the pain, I highly sugget the Regent, then the Fleet Regent at a Tier V shipyard.
Just my two cents.
Dreadnought class. Two times the size, three times the speed. Advanced weaponry. Modified for a minimal crew. Unlike most Federation vessels, it's built solely for combat.
Starting off with the Regent, this ship is basically an upgraded Sovereign. It has a decent Tactical layout for it's BOffs, but has no starting science BOff. This can be compensated for by making your Universal Lieutenant slot be science. It has a 3/4/2 console layout, skewed in the direction of tactical and engineering. It has decent hull strength, decent turn rate, and decent inertia. Overall, she's a strong choice. Simple, easy to understand, moderately easy to use.
The Tactical Odyssey on the other hand... well, she's an Odyssey. She has wonderful hull strength, a great shield mod, and a very balanced 3/4/3 layout, skewed towards engineering, but equal in science and tactical. Adding on to that, her BOff layout is very very versatile, with the Universal LtCmdr and Universal Ensign. Her starting BOff slots are Lieutenant Tactical and Science, with a Commander Engineering. So with her universal slots, you can give her a LtCmdr Tactical, and you have that Ensign to strengthen another area on her. But that's where her positives end. She suffers from the same problem all Odyssey class ships do. Her turn rate is terrible, as is her inertia rating. By herself, the Tactical Odyssey is not a great ship. She has the potential, but by herself... not so much.
However... if you get the Odyssey 3-pack, all of a sudden, the Odyssey becomes VASTLY superior to the Regent. Reason being? Two words: Chevron Separation. This console comes with the Operations Odyssey, and it basically takes your Odyssey, separates your saucer which hits your hull and shields a little, reduces your power levels slightly (-10 to shields and aux... which does hurt a little), but in return, gives you 10% impulse power (can fly faster), an additional +10 to your weapons power setting (very important, especially for beam boats), and increases your base turn by 8. It also gives you a non-controllable pet that has two mk X white phaser BAs, a tractor beam, and an ET1, which it uses on itself and occasionally you. Basically, you become quite nimble, and have stronger teeth, with a little buddy following you around. This alone makes her stronger than the Regent. But as I stated, you need another of the Odysseys to do it, and by herself, the Tactical Odyssey really isn't that great.
Note:
The Aquarius Escort Console is frankly quite useless. The Aquarius will launch, do some great damage for a little bit, then fly too close to a warp core breach and die. Yeeeeah... not really that impressive. The Saucer from Chevron Sep has the tendency to do the same, but even if it dies, you can still fly around without it and keep your bonuses.
Additional Note:
Like the Aquarius console, the Chevron sep has a 5 minute cooldown, so if you die, you will lose all the advantages you had with it for 5 minutes. Also is prone to randomly bugging...
thats basically all you need to know. I just want to add that the oddy pack offers you more diversity, which means on a different char you can play a healboat for PVP with it. The regent will only serve as a Tank/DPS cruiser.
But be honest, is anything else needed?
In PvE? No. In PvP? Yes. Unfortunately, from my experience Cruisers in PvP tend to be healers, and nothing else really. They can't do enough damage to break through a lot of player ship defenses, and as such, are left healing and supporting the ships that can.
However if you go for the Odyssey Bundle, you get the better ship(s) compared to the Z-Store Regent.
A tac Odyssey with the complete set of consoles is better than the regent. Saucer speration gives you a much higher turnrate an weaponspower and a pet that can add a bit of use is very helpfull.
The Aquarius Escort is something you can use when Saucer seperation is on cooldown.
It can do some damage and it tries to defend you if in range but its more of a distraction for the enemy than anything else. It adds some dps but not much. But it doesnt hurt to send it out if you cant seperate the saucer.
The Workbees arent bad either.They can heal you (or a friendly) quite a bit and you can employ them in advance. AND they only have a 45 sec cooldown.
The whole set of Odyssey consoles give you a bit better turnrate, better energy transfer, and bit of hull.
Not to mention you get twice as much Slipstrem time and a very beautifull bridge.
Of cause a full set tac odyssey combined with a wide angle quantum torp is even better than that.
For hard to kill targets that you keep locked for a longer time the science Odyssey is even better at dishing out damage through sensor analysis. while freeing up another science console slot.
The Engineering Odyssy is perhaps the most survivable fed ship, however it lacks the punch of the other variants.
Reading this is actually a RELIEF. I've had a horrible problem with not being able to reconnect the chevron or the Aquarius, leaving me "stuck" in separated mode, rendering the Odyssey a risky proposition, but this is the first time I've heard of anyone else having it.
Maybe they'll actually fix this bug now, since it's been about since June at least (I can always hope) when I first reported it.
The problem with the Aquarius escort is that it's not an escort at all, it's a beefier peregrine fighter. This thing can't win against frigate NPCs, let alone other escort NPCs.
Personally I'd recommend you just forget about cruisers, escorts are really the only ship type worth playing, especially for PvE.
Daizen - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Selia - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
I have the Odyssey 3-pack, but only use the tac version for my engineering toon. I have dropped all of the consoles in building out a plasma tank with the new T5 Romulan rep. The only Odyssey console of any real value is the Chevron (saucer sep.) giving a marginal boost to damage and maneuverability for the engineering hull.
The Odyssey is an excellent spaceframe, looks very 'Star Fleet', and has one of the most unique bridges in the game.
My two bits.
Admiral Thrax
The Odyssey might have a slower turn rate but a more favorable bridge officer layout when it comes to tactical options, with Lt. Cmd. Universal used Tactical plus the Lt. Tactical.
For example on the Odyssey I can easily use Fire at Will 3 with Torpedo Spread 2 and Attack Pattern Beta 1. On the Odyssey I will either have to downgrade the Torpedo Spread, sacrifice the Attack Pattern Beta or forget all science options and use the Lt. Universal also as a Tactical.
Also with saucer separation the Odyssey becomes a real beast and superior to Excelsior or Regent.
And both ships are left in the dust by the Imperial.
Get both... and by that, I mean both the Regent and the Odyssey PACK.
From the Regent, you get the Wide Angle Quantum torp. From the Pack, choose the Tac Odyssey (until such time as when Sensor Analysis mechanics get changed) and install the Work Bees (sci) and/or Chevron Separation (eng) consoles. I usually am content with just the Work Bees (used as a bit of preemptive hull repair) as dropping that much hull points for some extra turn rate... in PvE you should be able to think far ahead enough that you don't need to turn as much and in PvP... do you really want to give up that much hull points?
If I had to choose between the two, I'd go for the Ody pack.
A few other things you should know. As mentioned in the other replies above, the Aquarius escort is a mobile coffin. For that matter, the 'saucer' is not that much more useful or survivable. Both are marginally useful and frequently annoying.
The Ody is NOT the FED cruiser with the most hullpoints.
... and just in case noone tells you too... get another ship ^-^.