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Winning at all costs

mancommancom Member Posts: 784 Arc User
edited February 2013 in PvP Gameplay
Let us do a little thought experiment.

Let's assume there was an official tournament (i.e. no special rules; everything goes) with really good prizes. What kind of team setup would you field if you wanted to win at all costs? (Or what kind of setup would you expect from evil teams who have no conscience and want to win at all costs?)
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  • darkfader1988darkfader1988 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I would use the setup stated by the hilbert guide.
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  • p2wsucksp2wsucks Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Hmm no rules.

    5 KDF Vet ships, max aux bcs w/Romulan Boffs that boost cloaking.

    AFKer for 7 night and 7 days. Then see who's left.
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  • webdeathwebdeath Member Posts: 1,570 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Turret Boats FTW!

    J/K :D
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  • mancommancom Member Posts: 784 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I think a setup with 4 sci captain carriers would be a good foundation. Preferably KDF to get leech and the soccer console. Add a cloaked escort, maybe a fleet defiant. Have the escort zoom in, run a super alpha with all 4 SNBs as support and sci fleet to cover the escort. Run out with the impulse burst console as soon as APA/TacFleet wears off and engage cloak. Repeat until 15 kills.
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  • p2wsucksp2wsucks Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    mancom wrote: »
    I think a setup with 4 sci captain carriers would be a good foundation. Preferably KDF to get leech and the soccer console. Add a cloaked escort, maybe a fleet defiant. Have the escort zoom in, run a super alpha with all 4 SNBs as support and sci fleet to cover the escort. Run out with the impulse burst console as soon as APA/TacFleet wears off and engage cloak. Repeat until 15 kills.

    I'd need to run more tests on abusive things but I'd imaginge there'd be many SNB Doffs, AoE pseudo AP boosts, Siphon Drones, Phased Polarons, Theta, PSWTorps w/a couple of photonic Doffs, Tach/Tric mine combos, VM w/doffs/SS w/doffs all mixed together w/DHC spikes.

    There's other stuff w/time ships/sets, fortress from steam, space wall spam if 10v10 (in theory a target could get boxed in completely w/6 of them), carriers w/recall doffs and MEFs chaining, etc.
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  • mrkollinsmrkollins Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I'll say 5 JHAS with all the cheese consoles.
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    im trying to imagine a 5v5 were all 10 players have AMS

    how a bout a 5 karfi team, with each haveing 2 hangers of interceptors.

    or how about 5 sci/fleet mvam all with fully buffed VM1

    how about 3 sci/wells and 2 tac/mobius, all with the lobi temporal set, casting 2 or 3 of the slow down fields on you wile they attack. from what ive seen those fields stack, and when they do its like an AOE tractor beam, wile also freezing your abilities. ya i think that's actually the worst one i can imagine.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    5x Koranth (3 Sci, 2 Tac)

    Passives
    New Rom: Precision, Sensor Targeting Assault
    Omega: Omega Weapon Training, Superior Shield Strength

    TT1, CRF1, APO1
    TT1, DPB1
    EPtS1
    ST1, TSS2, SS2, VM3(Sci)/GW3(Tac)
    PH1, HE2

    DOFFs: 2x SNB, Bio-Space, 2x VM+ (Sci)/GW&3rd SNB(Tac)

    Weapons
    Fore: 4x Phased Polaron DHCs
    Aft: Tric Mines, Tach Mines, Cutting Beam

    Deflector: Omega
    Engines: Omega
    Shields: KHG

    Devices: SFM, RMC, Eng Batt

    Consoles
    Tac: 2x Subspace, Leech
    Eng: Theta, Borg, Tachyo
    Sci: Mannheim, Tippler, Aceton, AMS

    edit: Don't forget your Rom and Human BOFFs.

    edit: Not as effective after Thursday.
  • snoge00fsnoge00f Member Posts: 1,812 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    starwrathforever wrote: »
    I'll stay to fight forever! And evil teams means...evul Klinguns!:D

    gotcha evul Klinguns!
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  • bobtheyakbobtheyak Member Posts: 374 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    webdeath wrote: »
    Turret Boats FTW!

    Nuuuuuu!!!
  • mancommancom Member Posts: 784 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    how about 3 sci/wells and 2 tac/mobius, all with the lobi temporal set, casting 2 or 3 of the slow down fields on you wile they attack. from what ive seen those fields stack, and when they do its like an AOE tractor beam, wile also freezing your abilities.
    That's an interesting idea. I wonder how such a team would perform against the full carrier spam team.
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    ya i think that's actually the worst one i can imagine.
    The idea is not to find the most annoying setup. It is to find to the most powerful setup without any restrictions by good taste.

    The reason is this: I'm not convinved that Cryptic has understood why that latest tournament attempt had failed. I'm afraid they blame the players for not finding a common ruleset. But the truth is that the game is in such a bad shape that nobody in their right mind has any interest in playing in a completely unrestricted tournament (i.e. play the game the way it has been designed by the current devs).
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  • shimmerlessshimmerless Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    how about 3 sci/wells and 2 tac/mobius, all with the lobi temporal set, casting 2 or 3 of the slow down fields on you wile they attack. from what ive seen those fields stack, and when they do its like an AOE tractor beam, wile also freezing your abilities. ya i think that's actually the worst one i can imagine.

    I've faced this and it's absolutely as bad as you can imagine, if not the worst/most aggravating setup in the game :(
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  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Just commenting, it's a little funny that none of these theoretical setups includes the JHAS, given the ongoing discussion about how it is OP/not OP.

    Edit: Ack, never mind, missed that post.
  • mustafatennickmustafatennick Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    scurry5 wrote: »
    Just commenting, it's a little funny that none of these theoretical setups includes the JHAS, given the ongoing discussion about how it is OP/not OP.

    Edit: Ack, never mind, missed that post.

    Because its not even on par as annoying as all the cheese holds and and bs going on

    The JHAS can be resisted destroyed
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  • edna#7310 edna
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    edited February 2013
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    how a bout a 5 karfi team, with each haveing 2 hangers of interceptors.

    Ive yet to find a way to counter that using a escort.even with 9 in power insulators and other power insultator consoles that s*** can make your escort useless ,but then again with these new sci ships escorts vs sci ship is abit nonsense.If you get some acetons around thats even more stupid....but hey people are busy complaining about that +4 in turn rate the JHAS has over patrol escort so that clearly is in my imagination :rolleyes:

    As for a winning at all costs team:
    Wait till s8 new doffs/boffs/consoles.Actually you can get this after each season :D
  • arctos1717arctos1717 Member Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Definitely Klingon carriers with all that ***t, one of the reasons i don't PvP versus Klinks any more. It's not that I'm afraid or something like that, it's just boring :D

    While reading this thread, an idea crossed my mind, how about a no-shield PvP? :D
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    mancom wrote: »
    That's an interesting idea. I wonder how such a team would perform against the full carrier spam team.

    The idea is not to find the most annoying setup. It is to find to the most powerful setup without any restrictions by good taste.

    The reason is this: I'm not convinved that Cryptic has understood why that latest tournament attempt had failed. I'm afraid they blame the players for not finding a common ruleset. But the truth is that the game is in such a bad shape that nobody in their right mind has any interest in playing in a completely unrestricted tournament (i.e. play the game the way it has been designed by the current devs).

    so far, stacking temporal set fields is the most debilitating thing i have encountered in the modern game. its a unique kind of helpless.

    exactly. making rules at all means that pvp is not in the ideal shape it should be in. and the cause of all of pvp's problems. and a big part of why its not more popular
    shimmerless wrote: »
    I've faced this and it's absolutely as bad as you can imagine, if not the worst/most aggravating setup in the game :(

    i jumped 2 temporal ships in a C&H alone at a point, they were both from a fleet i didn't recognize. i nearly killed one on decloak, till i got hit with both fields at once, and had about 0 turn or speed, and i recall my abilities not firing wile i was trying to activate them, even weapons wouldn't fire. its like casting ruberbanding on someone. it was a mistake being that cocky going after them both like that for sure
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  • darkfader1988darkfader1988 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    1 tac 4 sci's.

    or

    2 tac's and 3 sci's.

    :D
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  • novalousnovalous Member Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Boarding party
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    its like casting ruberbanding on someone.

    And it's the thing I'm most likely to complain about in the game - well, I'll complain about a lot of things, lol - but with this, I will complain the loudest. It causes me to desync - if I don't have to restart the game right away - I'm usually going to have to do it within a few minutes.

    I'd rather spend the day being spawn camped with all the cheese in the game combined than have to face this once... it's that freaking annoying.
  • redrickyredricky Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    5 DHC A2B D'Kora's chaining EMPs and EWP.

    This will murderface the spam team because EWP will kill pets and no aux means no relaunch.

    Are the temporal abilities disabled by aux offline?
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  • tick0tick0 Member Posts: 243 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    how about 3 sci/wells and 2 tac/mobius, all with the lobi temporal set, casting 2 or 3 of the slow down fields on you wile they attack. from what ive seen those fields stack, and when they do its like an AOE tractor beam, wile also freezing your abilities. ya i think that's actually the worst one i can imagine.

    I've been up against a team using something just like this...it's not unbeatable though!

    http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/858442_10200144428705842_1404980683_o.jpg (I'm Tick on Red Squad)

    Edit: Ah, even better, I found the link to the YouTube clip of this match: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRBcbW_znvo!
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  • lterlter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    5 Vo'quvs filled with syphon hangars and tricobalts.
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    thats a perfect vid for this thread, basically no holds bared, all temporal or bug, breen torps being the primary weapon, EWP everywhere.

    kinda sad that thats what pvp looks like when nothing is held back. don't think i saw any actual faction ships anywhere. and all that EWP was causing kills not to be recoded wasn't it? i though i noticed that at least once, and the end score said it was 18-10
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  • novalousnovalous Member Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The reason the kills werent counted was because of backstep. Nice vid though, can you post the one from the week before when we spanked you? Lol! And the kills didnt count because of the spam thing.

    Do you guys research anything or just spit diarrhea from the mouth? I think our team did pretty well considering we didnt have but 1 extends, 2 maybe. You guys should try it some time, it makes it a challenge fighting the best pvp fleet in the game with next to no heals.

    So here's a challenge for all you egg heads out there since pvpers have nothing to do anyway. Lets see some numbers on the 85% shield resist applied with just extends transfer and epts.

    Then calculate the regen and tell me what the amount of damage being done is.

    And tell me shield resists are not op.

    Then tell me that a skill with a 100% uptime that can maintain a resist at 85% with just a transfer and epts that only has 1 uncounterable counter thats not considered cheese and can be carried by any ship in the game is not op!

    And you know why no one complains because the only people who talk on these forums use it as a crutch. Every number 1 premade in the game since the start of the game has built thier team around it.

    So the way i look at it we had 2 choices: First go with the same TRIBBLE everyone else does and have 3 hr stalemate matches with the same 3 to 4 extends or second come up with a way to beat it. So anyone with a brain knows how to beat a heavy heal team is heavy sci.

    You call us p2w spammers when funny now everyone is in a wells or destroyer sci spammers. I think your extends spammers. So sorry but dont expect to post a vid and not get a response.

    So I challenge all you awesome pvpers take off your extends blankie and see what happens. And lets see some numbers on those shield resists and how many there are. and how long you can keep multiple players at max resist then calculate in the crazy regen lets see some of those numbers or are you scared..
  • thisslerthissler Member Posts: 2,055 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    novalous wrote: »
    The reason the kills werent counted was because of backstep. Nice vid though, can you post the one from the week before when we spanked you? Lol! And the kills didnt count because of the spam thing.

    Do you guys research anything or just spit diarrhea from the mouth? I think our team did pretty well considering we didnt have but 1 extends, 2 maybe. You guys should try it some time, it makes it a challenge fighting the best pvp fleet in the game with next to no heals.

    So here's a challenge for all you egg heads out there since pvpers have nothing to do anyway. Lets see some numbers on the 85% shield resist applied with just extends transfer and epts.

    Then calculate the regen and tell me what the amount of damage being done is.

    And tell me shield resists are not op.

    Then tell me that a skill with a 100% uptime that can maintain a resist at 85% with just a transfer and epts that only has 1 uncounterable counter thats not considered cheese and can be carried by any ship in the game is not op!

    And you know why no one complains because the only people who talk on these forums use it as a crutch. Every number 1 premade in the game since the start of the game has built thier team around it.

    So the way i look at it we had 2 choices: First go with the same TRIBBLE everyone else does and have 3 hr stalemate matches with the same 3 to 4 extends or second come up with a way to beat it. So anyone with a brain knows how to beat a heavy heal team is heavy sci.

    You call us p2w spammers when funny now everyone is in a wells or destroyer sci spammers. I think your extends spammers. So sorry but dont expect to post a vid and not get a response.

    So I challenge all you awesome pvpers take off your extends blankie and see what happens. And lets see some numbers on those shield resists and how many there are. and how long you can keep multiple players at max resist then calculate in the crazy regen lets see some of those numbers or are you scared.

    I'm not even sure what this is about, but I tidied it up for you a bit. Hope that helps.
  • novalousnovalous Member Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Thx i type with one finger.
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