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Assimilated Borg Tech space set MK XII.. (closed, necro)

drazziidrazzii Member Posts: 104 Arc User
edited January 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
(I hope this is the right forum to post this)

Is the Assimilated Borg Technology space set mkXII worth getting? Looks pretty expensive on the Dilithium side of things, and comparing the notes between the mkXI (which I own) and the mkXII don't seem to be much different, unless the notes themselves are bunk.

Anyone out there collected this set and know if it's worth the work to acquire? I already have the Omega and MACO mkXII space sets from before the rep change.
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  • cmdrskyfallercmdrskyfaller Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The set is junk simply because the shield is so horribly weak.

    Mk11 to Mk12 there is no noticeable improvement...either in set bonus or performance.
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  • daedalus304daedalus304 Member Posts: 1,049 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    cmdrskyfaller wrote: »
    The set is junk simply because the shield is so horribly weak.

    Mk11 to Mk12 there is no noticeable improvement...either in set bonus or performance.

    the shield is weak because it sacrifices face strength for regeneration, great for tanking with full power to shields. it goes back faster than the rest and has decent set bonus.
  • corbinwolf#9797 corbinwolf
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    edited February 2013
    The three piece set has always worked well for me personally. I have wondered the same thing as the OP though! Perhaps try the two borg set + Maco shield set up before giving the newer three piece set a try?!

    As it stands the three piece set raises hull integrity considerably more so than any other set I have used!
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The Mk XI version is good enough for me. If you are a min-maxer, then it might be worth it.
  • admgreeradmgreer Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I have the XII set and it works very well in PVE, the regeneration is so high that with the reputation shield passives and a good XII pruple Field Gen it heals itself quite a bit, A the speed of the Eng in sector space for me is transwarp 18.9 so it makes getting places almost like having slipstream running at all times. I use the Adaptive MACO XII and the XII Borg Eng and Deflector with the Borg console for PVP and it does real good, However the Borg shields cap is a little weak vs spike damage so unless you are on a team that can keep a TSS on you I would use a different shield. But PVE with the Tractor Beam and Cutting beam and full borg set on an escourt works very well. Im a Tac and I use it in my Mobius and MVAE in starbase 24 and get 1st place with no deaths playing on Elite all the time. It also does very well in STF's. You can dive in kill one or 2 spheres, peal off and in 5-7 seconds your shields are back upto full for another pass. So borg set vs, spike and sustained attack, Poor, hit and run, Good, with good Doffs and Consoles the set can work very well.
  • canadianmetalfancanadianmetalfan Member Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    which omega rep tier are these? I have been told by my fleet mates that I should skip the set in tier 1 and go for tier 3... however I should ask though, what would a science character and ship get out of these if they are meant for tanking... if I should look at something else more in line with my character type, is there anything specific?

    I am currently running the breen set (deflector engines and shields) and have the assimilated console from before the change but it is listed under tier 1. I just bought 2 of the romulan plasma tier 2 beams...
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    This is Tier 5 Omega. I don't think they are listed in the tier descriptions.
  • canadianmetalfancanadianmetalfan Member Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    starkaos wrote: »
    This is Tier 5 Omega. I don't think they are listed in the tier descriptions.

    Okay, thanks. I have a long way to go then.
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  • admgreeradmgreer Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The Borg XII set is not (in my opinion) for tanking, It has a low cap and high regen. So it cant take a lot of direct sustained pounding but it heals fast and adds power to you hull. When I use it and am getting hit by several PVE at once i will see the passives kick in and as im taking damage i will see my ship glow green and hull and shield start to heal for a few sec. If i bug out and get clear the shield and hull completly regen in about 5-6 sec, So for a Sci capt in a vesta or wells or Fleet Nova I would think it would work well if he was skilled correctly. THe set abilities allow this set to completly heal itself without having to use your EPTS systems or Team heals
  • wirtddwirtdd Member Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The tanking part of this set is the 2 pieces bonus, no need the anorexic shield.
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  • shar487ashar487a Member Posts: 1,292 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    If you already have the Mk XI Borg space set, then you are not missing anything by skipping the Mk XII set since the latter's numbers are too close to the Mk XI to justify the 32.5k dilithium cost per piece. However, I use both Mk XI and Mk XII in various escorts with very good results. Backed by EPtS + TT, the borg shield is extremely good at letting me stay in sustained fire-fights, not to mention the hull and shield auto-regen procs and tractor beam + cutting beam combo.
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,518 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    deokkent wrote: »
    I'm surprised people still use the 2 borg pieces + maco shield combo... They nerfed this a long time ago since season 7 launch, it doesn't work anymore. You might as well use a full borg set or completely switch to maco set.

    Now, to reply to OP, the mk xi and mk xii are not that different. I have the mk xi and it does work fine. But if I ever get the mk xii set, it'll be purely as a collectible.

    What is this "nerf" you speak of.. the borg/maco combo is still pretty potent, more potent than full borg set in STF.

    Sure the 2 piece KHG/maco set trumps it, but it's still good.
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  • kahless2001kahless2001 Member Posts: 130 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I was pondering what set up to use on my Breen cruiser.

    I currently have the XI Borg Set. The jump to XII seems inconsequential but I have started the XII Omega set in the reputation system (1000 Omega marks for each piece?!) to see if it will be better.

    As the Breen ship is somewhere in between an escort and a full cruiser I wonder which set will produce the best results.

    In my view, the jump from XI to XII is not worth the large amount of time, marks, and dilithium.
  • ferdzso0ferdzso0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    deokkent wrote: »
    I'm surprised people still use the 2 borg pieces + maco shield combo... They nerfed this a long time ago since season 7 launch, it doesn't work anymore. You might as well use a full borg set or completely switch to maco set.

    Now, to reply to OP, the mk xi and mk xii are not that different. I have the mk xi and it does work fine. But if I ever get the mk xii set, it'll be purely as a collectible.

    they did not nerf the 2 borg + maco shield setup. they nerfed the 2 borg + maco shield + maco engine setup. now people are just using the engines and the deflector combined. the healing bonus it grants is insanely high, it does worth getting the borg engines or deflectors over other set items.

    to OP: upgrading does not rly worth it. I think the set bonus got buffed lately (there was some buff to all set bonuses, that would increase their effect with higher levels), but still not really worth it. I did buy it, and was kind of angry how little it gave back in the end. if you can afford, upgrade, as every little bit counts, but I suspect you still can spend the money better elsewhere
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  • nicha0nicha0 Member Posts: 1,456 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I use the borg set on my tanky escort, I've tried quite a few combinations, but the regen rate and regen proc are far more powerful than most people give credit for.

    The Maco shield and 2 pc borg is ok, but under sustained fire (like under a CSE cube) it just can't keep it's shields up. Trade field gens for regen consoles and you have an slightly higher capacity but under regenerating borg shield.

    The KHG (adapted maco) shield is decent, better than the Maco for longer term protection. It suffers from the borg's low fire rate. Its high capacity doesn't hold up as well to larger torpedo hits as you'd think, mostly to not being 100% most of the time.

    The borg sets biggest problem is capacity, with a low shield mod and low capacity expect to have to rotate shield facings very often, the 5s of tac team not working is a lifetime, and the gate, donatra, unimatrix and queen will one hit you with their torpedos. But your shields do tend to stay up for much longer, and a much higher percentage of charge, which will deflect many torpedoes just enough.

    That said, the difference between XI and XII of the borg is marginal and not worth the dil cost.
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  • hanoverhanover Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Now that I'm Omega Tier V and have started purchasing the Mk XII Borg set, it appears to me that the stats are identical to the Mk XI set. I'd really like to see the developers comment on this. Is it a typo in the item descriptions, or is there really no difference gained by spending 32 thousand dilithium and 900 Omega Marks on a single piece of equipment?

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  • nicha0nicha0 Member Posts: 1,456 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    They aren't identical, they are just extremely similar, not worth buying it
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  • hanoverhanover Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    nicha0 wrote: »
    They aren't identical, they are just extremely similar, not worth buying it

    Vague claims like this are abundant. I want hard numbers to compare the stats between Mk X, Mk XI, and Mk XII.

    Devs? Please? :o
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    hanover2 wrote: »
    Vague claims like this are abundant. I want hard numbers to compare the stats between Mk X, Mk XI, and Mk XII.

    Devs? Please? :o
    No need to call a dev, you can check that by yourself. There is a difference between them, and it's not big. For example, the shield is 1937.5 at mkxi, and 2000 at mk xii.
    The engine is the same no matter the tier. But you loose the set bonus if the tier is not matched with the rest.
    If you want more hard data, I suggest to check ingame more closely.
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  • hanoverhanover Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    erei1 wrote: »
    No need to call a dev, you can check that by yourself. There is a difference between them, and it's not big. For example, the shield is 1937.5 at mkxi, and 2000 at mk xii.
    The engine is the same no matter the tier. But you loose the set bonus if the tier is not matched with the rest.
    If you want more hard data, I suggest to check ingame more closely.

    Sure, that's a great option after you buy it all, Mr. Helpful. :rolleyes:

    So, no difference to turn rate, flight speed, engine power, etc., between Mk XI and Mk XII? The only reason to buy it is to keep the set bonus? Well that's just ducky. I suppose it's the same with the deflector.

    I say that needs another pass, then. It must be an oversight that there's no significant improvement for investing in Mk XII. That is something a developer must answer.
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  • shar487ashar487a Member Posts: 1,292 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    hanover2 wrote: »
    Sure, that's a great option after you buy it all, Mr. Helpful. :rolleyes:

    So, no difference to turn rate, flight speed, engine power, etc., between Mk XI and Mk XII? The only reason to buy it is to keep the set bonus? Well that's just ducky. I suppose it's the same with the deflector.

    I say that needs another pass, then. It must be an oversight that there's no significant improvement for investing in Mk XII. That is something a developer must answer.

    Given how much the Jem'Hadar Mk XII space set was just recently buffed over the Mk XI, I'm surprised that no similar upgrade was done for other end-game sets.

    I guess Cryptic is taking plays from the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition.
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  • sirokksirokk Member Posts: 990 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Looking at the Borg, MACO and Omega space sets on the surface, is it fair to conclude the following purposes?:

    Borg/Assimilated Set: Good for escorts, not as good for tanking. Shield and engine buffs that kick-in.

    MACO: Looks good for tanking in Cruisers: Shield and structural boosts.

    Omega: Looks more like Science ship boosts. Particle generator, Graviton generator boost, etc.

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  • age03age03 Member Posts: 1,664 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I would hold off on this get your Maco.Omega or KHG set 12 pretty expensive though.
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    hanover2 wrote: »
    Sure, that's a great option after you buy it all, Mr. Helpful. :rolleyes:

    So, no difference to turn rate, flight speed, engine power, etc., between Mk XI and Mk XII? The only reason to buy it is to keep the set bonus? Well that's just ducky. I suppose it's the same with the deflector.

    I say that needs another pass, then. It must be an oversight that there's no significant improvement for investing in Mk XII. That is something a developer must answer.
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    And yeah, the engine is the same according to tooltip, but you need the appropriate tier engine for the set. I don't think it's an oversight. If the Mk x and XI had less stats, they would be less powerful than a purple MK XII random loot. Less speed and turn rate, which is more valuable than any warp speed on sector map.
    I just checked, and the others OMEGA reputation engine works the same, sometimes they have a slight increase in a minor stats (driver coil bonus for example), but that's all.

    If you want to buy the engine only, buy a Mk X. If you want the set, and plan to have MK XII shield/deflector, buy a MK XII engine.
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  • kdawgenigmakdawgenigma Member Posts: 300 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    shar487a wrote: »
    I guess Cryptic is taking plays from the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition.

    They been doing this to the extreme since the introduction of the lock box scheme
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  • dalmaciusdalmacius Member Posts: 106 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I have the XII Set, but I am confused with what it means when it says it is a 4/4 Set given as follows:*:confused:

    Assimilated Regenerative Shield Array Mk XII
    Assimilated Subtranswarp Engines Mk XII
    Assimilated Deflector Array
    Assimilated Deflector Array Mk XII

    *That's what I get when I mouse over any of the items.

    Now how can it have 2 Deflectors?

    Can I assume that the Console - Universal - Assimilated Module is the 4th piece of the 4/4 Set in place of the 'Assmilated Deflector Array' and that it is just a 'typo' error?

    And, btw, the Shield is very usable in PvP. :cool:
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