I can honestly say I would shareDoctor McCoy's reservations about the Transporter. Wouldn't you?
Absolutely. The consciousness that is "you" ceases to exist and is recreated perfectly on the other side. That's what Ben Bova's Orion series points out.
On the other hand, our consciousness also ends when we sleep, so who's to say the person we remember being is currently experiencing who we are now? That train of thought leads to madness!
My friend made a point though that if I was cut in half and perfectly put back together, would I still consider myself me? What if I was cut into quarters? Tenths? Divided to my component atoms and reconstituted? That allowed me to shrug and stop pondering consciousness.
Why not? We humans drink blood here on Earth. I believe bloodwine is prepared too, not just "raw", as it were.
Plus Black Pudding, an essential component in any fry up.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Heres one that has bugged me for awhile. Seriously, even as a kid in the 70's it bugged me on the Original series....
I believe the episode was the "Squire of Gothos" but I could be wrong about that....but I do know that at the end Captain Kirk was talking about the pranks kids play to Spock. He mentioned things that he did as a kid and I suppose assumed SPock might have done like "Dipping little girls pigtails in inkwells".
Ummmm...ok, Kirk lives in the 23rd century right? Its 2013 right now...when was the last time you saw a freakin' inkwell? I was born in 1964 and I didn't see an inkwell ONCE in my own childhood. As a matter of fact I've only met a handful of people that know what a dip pen looks like and they (like myself) only know because we use them for pen and ink cartooning.
Even as a kid I was like "How the heck would Kirk know anything about a prank that was probably popular by children before my grandfather's time?":)
My guess is that someone was playing around with the colour balance on the viewscreen that day. Damn it, Sulu! Get back to work!
I've been wondering why MACO uniforms look like they've been worn while painting bulkheads. Do the fashion police not exist in the 22nd century? Or are the MACOs just trying to beat out the Romulans in the "Ugliest Uniform of the Year" awards?
Not so much an embarrassing question for me - but maybe for the continuity person who worked on Voyager:
What the eff ever became of the borg baby? Its a season 6 or 7 episode where they discover the borg kids - 7 beams a baby borg from the cube to the Doctor - Doctor does his thing, saves baby borg - baby borg never ever mentioned again, even thou the other borg kids get to move into 7's cargo hold.
I don't mind an occasional plot hole or an unresolved story element but when you forget entirely about the wee baby borg, that's a little much.
My guess is that someone was playing around with the colour balance on the viewscreen that day. Damn it, Sulu! Get back to work!
I've been wondering why MACO uniforms looking like they've been worn while painting bulkheads. Do the fashion police not exist in the 22nd century? Or are the MACOs just trying to beat out the Romulans in the "Ugliest Uniform of the Year" awards?
I've been wondering why MACO uniforms look like they've been worn while painting bulkheads. Do the fashion police not exist in the 22nd century? Or are the MACOs just trying to beat out the Romulans in the "Ugliest Uniform of the Year" awards?
It's the atmosphere that gives the planet its color (The Klingons really went green a milennia ago.):D
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Heres one that has bugged me for awhile. Seriously, even as a kid in the 70's it bugged me on the Original series....
I believe the episode was the "Squire of Gothos" but I could be wrong about that....but I do know that at the end Captain Kirk was talking about the pranks kids play to Spock. He mentioned things that he did as a kid and I suppose assumed SPock might have done like "Dipping little girls pigtails in inkwells".
Ummmm...ok, Kirk lives in the 23rd century right? Its 2013 right now...when was the last time you saw a freakin' inkwell? I was born in 1964 and I didn't see an inkwell ONCE in my own childhood. As a matter of fact I've only met a handful of people that know what a dip pen looks like and they (like myself) only know because we use them for pen and ink cartooning.
Even as a kid I was like "How the heck would Kirk know anything about a prank that was probably popular by children before my grandfather's time?":)
Maybe it's used for art in Kirk's time and not writing? Art classes still use stuff like that.
Maybe it's used for art in Kirk's time and not writing? Art classes still use stuff like that.
I always considered pop culture references, in any body of work, to be a sign of weak writing.
Like audiences need that *wink* *wink* archaic tongue in cheek referencing.
Kirk: " She's built like a brick-**** house, Spock!"
Spock: " WTF, Jim? Derp."
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
I always considered pop culture references, in any body of work, to be a sign of weak writing.
Like audiences need that *wink* *wink* archaic tongue in cheek referencing.
Kirk: " She's built like a brick-**** house, Spock!"
Spock: " WTF, Jim? Derp."
I've done it with shows and movies that I like, but I've found it a bit of weak writing or ill thought out dialogue/plots if you, the audience have to come up with a long shot reason for something that doesn't make sense.
I'm not picking on you markhawkman, just pointing out that the particular line, while I find it amusing, really doesn't make a lot of sense in the shows context. Sure, perhaps Kirk took some art classes as kid, but the real reason the line was there is because of when the show was wrtten. The writer probably went to grammar school...when they still called it grammar school....30 or 4o years prior.
I don't want anyone to take it the wrong way. I grew up watching Trek, I only mention these things because of the years of enjoyment its given me. Besides, despite the way the line doesn't fit well in show's context, I've always loved the banter between Kirk and Spock.
Heres one that has bugged me for awhile. Seriously, even as a kid in the 70's it bugged me on the Original series....
I believe the episode was the "Squire of Gothos" but I could be wrong about that....but I do know that at the end Captain Kirk was talking about the pranks kids play to Spock. He mentioned things that he did as a kid and I suppose assumed SPock might have done like "Dipping little girls pigtails in inkwells".
Ummmm...ok, Kirk lives in the 23rd century right? Its 2013 right now...when was the last time you saw a freakin' inkwell? I was born in 1964 and I didn't see an inkwell ONCE in my own childhood. As a matter of fact I've only met a handful of people that know what a dip pen looks like and they (like myself) only know because we use them for pen and ink cartooning.
Even as a kid I was like "How the heck would Kirk know anything about a prank that was probably popular by children before my grandfather's time?":)
They (eventually) established that he was quite the antiquarian. Archaic phrases fit that part of his character.
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They're elitists who want to rule the universe. Their attempts to conquer the Feds have failed so far. Aside from their disliek of their Vulcan cousins they don't really hate the feds... They don't like them either, so they're kinda indifferent.
Yeah my understanding is they are/ were garden variety fascists.
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I guess they were always threatening the engineers on DS9 with waste extraction duty.
Speaking of waste "extraction"... OUCH!!
Then there was an episode of Enterprise where they trudge through a sewer and complain that sewage takes on a whole new meaning when it comes from many different species... :eek:
A TIME TO SEARCH: ENTER MY FOUNDRY MISSION at the RISA SYSTEM Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.
Not embarrassing questions so much as quibbles (they look like tribbles, but their purring is slightly off-key, so it's irritating rather than soothing):
When I beam up from an away mission, why does the rest of my away team touch their badges, too? Shouldn't they be using the passive transport animation?
Why does it ask us if we want to orbit K7 in Sector Space, then ask us if we want to dock at K7 when we're in the system? Is this the only starbase that would use that different phrasing, and thus not worth the effort?
When I beam up from Starfleet Academy, I have the choice of going to Earthdock, Sol Sector, or the Orion Quadrant. Why don't I have the same choice when I'm leaving Earthdock? Can't the same menu be patched into the Earthdock code?
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One set of questions I've wondered for a long time...
What's the deal with the Ambassador Class?
It was a rarely seen class of ship, yet it was the class of the flagship. But very few Ambassador's were seen on screen...so what's the deal? Why is the Excelsior class, which is modestly older than the Ambassador, the workhorse of the Federation while the "newer" class is virtually mothballed. I always assumed there was some serious design flaw in the Ambassador class, and the handful of ships in active service were either not affected by the flaw or were refit..but the refit was too prohibitive to do for the entire Ambassador fleet.
Which goes into....
The Enterprise-C was destroyed in 2344. The Enterprise-D was launched in 2363. So the Federation went without it's flagship for almost 20 years....why? The 1701 was replaced by the 1701-A within a few months. Okay, maybe it was renamed from the Yorktown. Well, the 1701-A was replaced by the 1701-B within the same year.....so why did Starfleet go without an Enterprise for nearly a whole generation?
And lastly..
I know the reasoning was the Prime Directive, but why did the Federation not come to the aid of the Bajorans during the Occupation? I get that that it was considered an "internal Cardassian matter"..but really? I have a hard time accepting that the holier than thou Federation would have allowed virtual genocide of a native people by an occupier. Being as Bajor wasn't considered a territory of Cardassia until the Occupation began...why didn't the UFP intervene when the first Bajoran refugees came into Federation space with proof of a virtual genocide? The only thing I can think of is some archaic language when Cardassians first arrvied on Bajor, so politically it was seen as an "invitation" by the Bajorans for the Cardassians to take over their whole planet..but I think that's a little weak argument.
This kinda stuff is one of my favorite little games to play with canon. Taking all the goofy little discontinuity items and "fixing" them so it fits in the larger narrative. It's fun!
It was a rarely seen class of ship, yet it was the class of the flagship. But very few Ambassador's were seen on screen...so what's the deal? Why is the Excelsior class, which is modestly older than the Ambassador, the workhorse of the Federation while the "newer" class is virtually mothballed. I always assumed there was some serious design flaw in the Ambassador class, and the handful of ships in active service were either not affected by the flaw or were refit..but the refit was too prohibitive to do for the entire Ambassador fleet.
Which goes into....
The Enterprise-C was destroyed in 2344. The Enterprise-D was launched in 2363. So the Federation went without it's flagship for almost 20 years....why? The 1701 was replaced by the 1701-A within a few months. Okay, maybe it was renamed from the Yorktown. Well, the 1701-A was replaced by the 1701-B within the same year.....so why did Starfleet go without an Enterprise for nearly a whole generation?
Who says every Enterprise was a flagship? We know the D, E, and F were (and the NX-01 too), but Kirk's Enterprises and the Enterprise-B and -C might just have been considered normal starships in the fleet.
I know the reasoning was the Prime Directive, but why did the Federation not come to the aid of the Bajorans during the Occupation? I get that that it was considered an "internal Cardassian matter"..but really? I have a hard time accepting that the holier than thou Federation would have allowed virtual genocide of a native people by an occupier. Being as Bajor wasn't considered a territory of Cardassia until the Occupation began...why didn't the UFP intervene when the first Bajoran refugees came into Federation space with proof of a virtual genocide? The only thing I can think of is some archaic language when Cardassians first arrvied on Bajor, so politically it was seen as an "invitation" by the Bajorans for the Cardassians to take over their whole planet..but I think that's a little weak argument.
The Feds probably did put a lot of political pressure on the Cardies. And if I remember correctly, they fought a short war in the early years of TNG.
This kinda stuff is one of my favorite little games to play with canon. Taking all the goofy little discontinuity items and "fixing" them so it fits in the larger narrative. It's fun!
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
One set of questions I've wondered for a long time...
What's the deal with the Ambassador Class?
It was a rarely seen class of ship, yet it was the class of the flagship. But very few Ambassador's were seen on screen...so what's the deal? Why is the Excelsior class, which is modestly older than the Ambassador, the workhorse of the Federation while the "newer" class is virtually mothballed. I always assumed there was some serious design flaw in the Ambassador class, and the handful of ships in active service were either not affected by the flaw or were refit..but the refit was too prohibitive to do for the entire Ambassador fleet.
Which goes into....
The Enterprise-C was destroyed in 2344. The Enterprise-D was launched in 2363. So the Federation went without it's flagship for almost 20 years....why? The 1701 was replaced by the 1701-A within a few months. Okay, maybe it was renamed from the Yorktown. Well, the 1701-A was replaced by the 1701-B within the same year.....so why did Starfleet go without an Enterprise for nearly a whole generation?
And lastly..
I know the reasoning was the Prime Directive, but why did the Federation not come to the aid of the Bajorans during the Occupation? I get that that it was considered an "internal Cardassian matter"..but really? I have a hard time accepting that the holier than thou Federation would have allowed virtual genocide of a native people by an occupier. Being as Bajor wasn't considered a territory of Cardassia until the Occupation began...why didn't the UFP intervene when the first Bajoran refugees came into Federation space with proof of a virtual genocide? The only thing I can think of is some archaic language when Cardassians first arrvied on Bajor, so politically it was seen as an "invitation" by the Bajorans for the Cardassians to take over their whole planet..but I think that's a little weak argument.
This kinda stuff is one of my favorite little games to play with canon. Taking all the goofy little discontinuity items and "fixing" them so it fits in the larger narrative. It's fun!
The Ambassador was probably a limited run testbed while the Excelsior was the workhorse of the fleet
Here is something that bothers me all the time when I'm watching the shows..... omniscient, mind-reading communication systems...:
Sometimes they just start speaking and miraculously the computer knows exactly to whom they want to speak AND when to cut off the transmission. While they do say things like "Riker to Picard" sometimes (not very consistently though..) you often hear the whole sentence on the other end even before the actual name is spoken..... I HATE IT !
Another example...... Dr Crusher is leaning over an injured person during a ground mission, right around them, there are Riker, Geordie and Data.... After a while they decide that everyone BUT one person is going to return to the Enterprise....
And what does our dear Doctor tell the Transporter Room (although never actually dialing it, she just tips her badge...):
"Four to beam up !"
The all-knowing Transporter Guy not only beams up the correct persons without ever asking who is going and who stays, he also manages to beam Crusher and her patient right to the Sick Bay (that NO ONE ever mentioned, grrrrr)
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Ohh, and I just remembered to reply to some of the other stuff in this thread:
1: Tom Paris and B'Elanna Torres are not civilians, they have a rank.....
2: Seven does not though, but seriously, they consider some confused, bunny-suited therapist to be equal to a LT.Com. (and nearly die horribly because of it).
We can thereby conclude that everyone not stunned into obedience by Sevens forcefully projected "personality" is probably so frightened of getting beaten up by her that they just go with it. I think that makes her the equivalent of a Fleet Admiral, lol....
3: It?s a misconception that the Federation doesn?t use money, because they do. Not internally though. But all personnel get an "allowance" to barter with uncivilized scum who is too well armed to shoot and loot.
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Absolutely. The consciousness that is "you" ceases to exist and is recreated perfectly on the other side. That's what Ben Bova's Orion series points out.
On the other hand, our consciousness also ends when we sleep, so who's to say the person we remember being is currently experiencing who we are now? That train of thought leads to madness!
My friend made a point though that if I was cut in half and perfectly put back together, would I still consider myself me? What if I was cut into quarters? Tenths? Divided to my component atoms and reconstituted? That allowed me to shrug and stop pondering consciousness.
Plus Black Pudding, an essential component in any fry up.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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I believe the episode was the "Squire of Gothos" but I could be wrong about that....but I do know that at the end Captain Kirk was talking about the pranks kids play to Spock. He mentioned things that he did as a kid and I suppose assumed SPock might have done like "Dipping little girls pigtails in inkwells".
Ummmm...ok, Kirk lives in the 23rd century right? Its 2013 right now...when was the last time you saw a freakin' inkwell? I was born in 1964 and I didn't see an inkwell ONCE in my own childhood. As a matter of fact I've only met a handful of people that know what a dip pen looks like and they (like myself) only know because we use them for pen and ink cartooning.
Even as a kid I was like "How the heck would Kirk know anything about a prank that was probably popular by children before my grandfather's time?":)
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120206012919/memoryalpha/en/images/0/07/Qo'nos_in_the_2360s,_remastered.jpg
However, there is a distinct lack of foliage (green) in any of the shots of the ground of Qo'nos that I have ever seen.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080419034455/memoryalpha/en/images/e/e5/Qo'nosSurface2151.jpg
http://www.klingonmusic.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/QonoS.jpg
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070114165807/memoryalpha/de/images/4/4c/Qonos_brennt.jpg
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070202120230/memoryalpha/cs/images/9/9d/Qo'noS_surface,_Unexpected.jpg
My guess is that someone was playing around with the colour balance on the viewscreen that day. Damn it, Sulu! Get back to work!
I've been wondering why MACO uniforms look like they've been worn while painting bulkheads. Do the fashion police not exist in the 22nd century? Or are the MACOs just trying to beat out the Romulans in the "Ugliest Uniform of the Year" awards?
Ref pic (with Orion slave girl for good measure): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/lostncybr/Star%20Trek%20Costumes/ST%20Enterprise/ST%20Enterprise%20MACO%20costume/Macoslavegirl.jpg
What the eff ever became of the borg baby? Its a season 6 or 7 episode where they discover the borg kids - 7 beams a baby borg from the cube to the Doctor - Doctor does his thing, saves baby borg - baby borg never ever mentioned again, even thou the other borg kids get to move into 7's cargo hold.
I don't mind an occasional plot hole or an unresolved story element but when you forget entirely about the wee baby borg, that's a little much.
SPACE CAMO! :::echo:::
All clothes look ugly when positioned next to a scantily-clad Orion hottie.
Also, clearly the MACO camo is designed for blending in with the styrofoam rocks in TOS. They're thinking ahead!
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I always considered pop culture references, in any body of work, to be a sign of weak writing.
Like audiences need that *wink* *wink* archaic tongue in cheek referencing.
Kirk: " She's built like a brick-**** house, Spock!"
Spock: " WTF, Jim? Derp."
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
I've done it with shows and movies that I like, but I've found it a bit of weak writing or ill thought out dialogue/plots if you, the audience have to come up with a long shot reason for something that doesn't make sense.
I'm not picking on you markhawkman, just pointing out that the particular line, while I find it amusing, really doesn't make a lot of sense in the shows context. Sure, perhaps Kirk took some art classes as kid, but the real reason the line was there is because of when the show was wrtten. The writer probably went to grammar school...when they still called it grammar school....30 or 4o years prior.
I don't want anyone to take it the wrong way. I grew up watching Trek, I only mention these things because of the years of enjoyment its given me. Besides, despite the way the line doesn't fit well in show's context, I've always loved the banter between Kirk and Spock.
They (eventually) established that he was quite the antiquarian. Archaic phrases fit that part of his character.
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Yeah my understanding is they are/ were garden variety fascists.
Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.
Then there was an episode of Enterprise where they trudge through a sewer and complain that sewage takes on a whole new meaning when it comes from many different species... :eek:
Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.
When I beam up from an away mission, why does the rest of my away team touch their badges, too? Shouldn't they be using the passive transport animation?
Why does it ask us if we want to orbit K7 in Sector Space, then ask us if we want to dock at K7 when we're in the system? Is this the only starbase that would use that different phrasing, and thus not worth the effort?
When I beam up from Starfleet Academy, I have the choice of going to Earthdock, Sol Sector, or the Orion Quadrant. Why don't I have the same choice when I'm leaving Earthdock? Can't the same menu be patched into the Earthdock code?
I'm still fairly new. If I screwed up again, let me know.
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Some humans were called "Terrans" on occasion, but only in the mirror universe was it commonplace.
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-Thomas Marrone
I think it's safe to assume they use bidets or a high tech equivalent.
They have sonic showers, why not sonic bidets?
well sonic bidet would be a high tech equivalent...:D
What's the deal with the Ambassador Class?
It was a rarely seen class of ship, yet it was the class of the flagship. But very few Ambassador's were seen on screen...so what's the deal? Why is the Excelsior class, which is modestly older than the Ambassador, the workhorse of the Federation while the "newer" class is virtually mothballed. I always assumed there was some serious design flaw in the Ambassador class, and the handful of ships in active service were either not affected by the flaw or were refit..but the refit was too prohibitive to do for the entire Ambassador fleet.
Which goes into....
The Enterprise-C was destroyed in 2344. The Enterprise-D was launched in 2363. So the Federation went without it's flagship for almost 20 years....why? The 1701 was replaced by the 1701-A within a few months. Okay, maybe it was renamed from the Yorktown. Well, the 1701-A was replaced by the 1701-B within the same year.....so why did Starfleet go without an Enterprise for nearly a whole generation?
And lastly..
I know the reasoning was the Prime Directive, but why did the Federation not come to the aid of the Bajorans during the Occupation? I get that that it was considered an "internal Cardassian matter"..but really? I have a hard time accepting that the holier than thou Federation would have allowed virtual genocide of a native people by an occupier. Being as Bajor wasn't considered a territory of Cardassia until the Occupation began...why didn't the UFP intervene when the first Bajoran refugees came into Federation space with proof of a virtual genocide? The only thing I can think of is some archaic language when Cardassians first arrvied on Bajor, so politically it was seen as an "invitation" by the Bajorans for the Cardassians to take over their whole planet..but I think that's a little weak argument.
This kinda stuff is one of my favorite little games to play with canon. Taking all the goofy little discontinuity items and "fixing" them so it fits in the larger narrative. It's fun!
Who says every Enterprise was a flagship? We know the D, E, and F were (and the NX-01 too), but Kirk's Enterprises and the Enterprise-B and -C might just have been considered normal starships in the fleet.
The Feds probably did put a lot of political pressure on the Cardies. And if I remember correctly, they fought a short war in the early years of TNG.
Agreed.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
The Ambassador was probably a limited run testbed while the Excelsior was the workhorse of the fleet
Here is something that bothers me all the time when I'm watching the shows..... omniscient, mind-reading communication systems...:
Sometimes they just start speaking and miraculously the computer knows exactly to whom they want to speak AND when to cut off the transmission. While they do say things like "Riker to Picard" sometimes (not very consistently though..) you often hear the whole sentence on the other end even before the actual name is spoken..... I HATE IT !
Another example...... Dr Crusher is leaning over an injured person during a ground mission, right around them, there are Riker, Geordie and Data.... After a while they decide that everyone BUT one person is going to return to the Enterprise....
And what does our dear Doctor tell the Transporter Room (although never actually dialing it, she just tips her badge...):
"Four to beam up !"
The all-knowing Transporter Guy not only beams up the correct persons without ever asking who is going and who stays, he also manages to beam Crusher and her patient right to the Sick Bay (that NO ONE ever mentioned, grrrrr)
It's not that they don't have a cure. It's that most people don't care any more.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
1: Tom Paris and B'Elanna Torres are not civilians, they have a rank.....
2: Seven does not though, but seriously, they consider some confused, bunny-suited therapist to be equal to a LT.Com. (and nearly die horribly because of it).
We can thereby conclude that everyone not stunned into obedience by Sevens forcefully projected "personality" is probably so frightened of getting beaten up by her that they just go with it. I think that makes her the equivalent of a Fleet Admiral, lol....
3: It?s a misconception that the Federation doesn?t use money, because they do. Not internally though. But all personnel get an "allowance" to barter with uncivilized scum who is too well armed to shoot and loot.