"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
i wanna know why the temporal agents had a problem with you going back with the C, and not tasha. her going back had a huge difference on the alpha and beta quadrant due to her daughter sela being born. you think that would be something they would want to prevent
i wanna know why the temporal agents had a problem with you going back with the C, and not tasha. her going back had a huge difference on the alpha and beta quadrant due to her daughter sela being born. you think that would be something they would want to prevent
Predestination paradox
Time traveler attempting to alter the past in this model, intentionally or not, would only be fulfilling their role in creating history as we know it, not changing it. Or that the time-traveler's personal knowledge of history already includes their future travels to their own experience of the past.
In layman's terms, it means this: the time traveler is in the past, which means they were in the past before. Therefore, their presence is vital to the future, and they do something that causes the future to occur in the same way that their knowledge of the future has already happened. It is very closely related to the ontological paradox and usually occurs at the same time.
in other words....Ain't nobody got time for that.:eek:
i wanna know why the temporal agents had a problem with you going back with the C, and not tasha. her going back had a huge difference on the alpha and beta quadrant due to her daughter sela being born. you think that would be something they would want to prevent
For one thing in the alternate timeline (which I assume is a continual of "Yesterday's Enterprise" timeline), we don't have any knowledge of Sela's birth and the ramifications of that. We just a freighter captain hauling ore.
As to why out Captain shouldn't go back to to 2344 with the Enterpise-C? Well it's because we are central to events playing out in the 25th century. Our absence from those event causes the timeline to be substantially alter. The sam as the Enterprise-C not being in Nerendra system to help protect the Klingon Colony there. A like Archer from Enterprise being taken into the future by Daniels. That action changed history so much that the Earth was just a ruin.
thats not what i meant. of course your captain shouldn't be allowed back, but it really is no difference for tasha. something like that, a person from an alternate future going back and altering the prime past is exactly what those temporal guys try preventing. those temporal guys continue to be a horrible addition to the canon imo.
thats not what i meant. of course your captain shouldn't be allowed back, but it really is no difference for tasha. something like that, a person from an alternate future going back and altering the prime past is exactly what those temporal guys try preventing. those temporal guys continue to be a horrible addition to the canon imo.
Sela is meant to exist...Cryptic is not going to change canon, and for the sheer fact Sela is suppose to exist and is meant to exist which means Tasha is meant to be on the Enterprise C, since it's not the Tasha from the prime timeline, but a Tasha from an alternate time line....the player is from the prime timeline, and is not meant to go back in time, but Tasha is not from our time she is from another time line, that no longer exists, but Sela is meant to be born.
should Have Vaporized Tasha At The Door To The Enterprise. Then, There Would Be No More Sela. No More Sela Means No Experimentation On The Hobus Star. No Hobus Experimentation, No Supernova. No Supernova, No Jj Trek And A United And Strong Romulan Empire. A Strong Empire, No Reman Rebellion. No Reman Rebellion...........
All this back and forth about Tasha, hasn't anyone noticed that alternate universe T'nae helped you escape and is assumed that she borded the C and remained there?
So once the Enterprise C returned to it's proper place in history, it had one extra passenger, alternate universe T'nae!
... you realize you just sent Tasha Yar off to become a Romulan slave girl, all to prevent a war with the Klingons that we're actually fighting right now.
Not happy about that either...to stop a war to save lives yet it came anyways...Oh Ironey how I love you!:D
All this back and forth about Tasha, hasn't anyone noticed that alternate universe T'nae helped you escape and is assumed that she borded the C and remained there?
So once the Enterprise C returned to it's proper place in history, it had one extra passenger, alternate universe T'nae!
Or not.... we don't know if the time cop removed her or not.....
Did anyone notice the 700ish crew members of the Ent-C were left behind?
That means there was only 2-3 people on the entire ship, you can't tell me that they would fare as well as when they had a near full crew.
Isn't it time to stop messing with time?!
Did anyone notice the 700ish crew members of the Ent-C were left behind?
That means there was only 2-3 people on the entire ship, you can't tell me that they would fare as well as when they had a near full crew.
Isn't it time to stop messing with time?!
I'm pretty sure there were only a hundred or so crew left as of "Yesterday's Enterprise". So either 600 died in the battle, or the ship wasn't fully crewed at the time.
And during the last part of the mission we see a few Boffs from the Enterprise-C. Presumably we beamed the rest of the crew off the Tholian base before we went back through the rift. And possibly put T'nae back as well.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
I'm pretty sure there were only a hundred or so crew left as of "Yesterday's Enterprise". So either 600 died in the battle, or the ship wasn't fully crewed at the time.
And during the last part of the mission we see a few Boffs from the Enterprise-C. Presumably we beamed the rest of the crew off the Tholian base before we went back through the rift. And possibly put T'nae back as well.
Tasha does tell us the Enterprise crew would be beamed aboard once we're already on the ship. We just don't play out anything between the docking port and the Enterprise's bridge.
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the Time cop probably pulled everyone that shouldnt of been on board off
i assumed, given that the crew fills right up that you wernt selective and just beamed everyone non-tholian off the station
Actually..... there's no mention of T'Nae at all once we board the ship, did she even get in?
I figure our Captains are temporal VIPs. Us being at a critical temporal event like Narendra would have drastic consequences. Like Captain Archer being pulled forward into time altered the timelike so drastically that Daniel's future ceased to exist (Enterprise eps. "Shockwave"). T'Nae doesn't seems to be that critical of a figure. So she would be pulled back into her proper place in the restored timeline.
It would make an interesting story if T'Nae 2 had a Daughter/Son with a Romulan, and she becomes Sela's Number 1, then T'Nae 1 now has to fight her own Daughter/son, and sends us to do the dirty work.
It would make an interesting story if T'Nae 2 had a Daughter/Son with a Romulan, and she becomes Sela's Number 1, then T'Nae 1 now has to fight her own Daughter/son, and sends us to do the dirty work.
T'Neas daughty can be the vulcan from the main page :O
Vulcan stability + Romulan anger. Hmm...
Would that make it hyper passive aggressive?
Valeris was a Vulcan/Romulan Hybrid
Bah who knows how that worked. The time dudes probably took everyone who didn't belong and held them in a pattern buffer, then spat them out one at a time to where they were supposed to be, it would be easier to do it that way then have to deal with a crowd jammed in that little time cell arguing with each other. That or maybe they didn't need to do anything, just hold onto everyone not from the C just to keep them from going back with it, then when time sorts itself out everyone would just merge back into their proper locations automatically..
Or maybe.....Head Explodes....
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
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"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
timeline restored, captain
Predestination paradox
Time traveler attempting to alter the past in this model, intentionally or not, would only be fulfilling their role in creating history as we know it, not changing it. Or that the time-traveler's personal knowledge of history already includes their future travels to their own experience of the past.
In layman's terms, it means this: the time traveler is in the past, which means they were in the past before. Therefore, their presence is vital to the future, and they do something that causes the future to occur in the same way that their knowledge of the future has already happened. It is very closely related to the ontological paradox and usually occurs at the same time.
in other words....Ain't nobody got time for that.:eek:
For one thing in the alternate timeline (which I assume is a continual of "Yesterday's Enterprise" timeline), we don't have any knowledge of Sela's birth and the ramifications of that. We just a freighter captain hauling ore.
As to why out Captain shouldn't go back to to 2344 with the Enterpise-C? Well it's because we are central to events playing out in the 25th century. Our absence from those event causes the timeline to be substantially alter. The sam as the Enterprise-C not being in Nerendra system to help protect the Klingon Colony there. A like Archer from Enterprise being taken into the future by Daniels. That action changed history so much that the Earth was just a ruin.
Sela is meant to exist...Cryptic is not going to change canon, and for the sheer fact Sela is suppose to exist and is meant to exist which means Tasha is meant to be on the Enterprise C, since it's not the Tasha from the prime timeline, but a Tasha from an alternate time line....the player is from the prime timeline, and is not meant to go back in time, but Tasha is not from our time she is from another time line, that no longer exists, but Sela is meant to be born.
WTF did I just say.
which has no effect what so ever on actual offical trek
Yeah, time travel stories tend to have that effect.
I'm still fairly new. If I screwed up again, let me know.
So once the Enterprise C returned to it's proper place in history, it had one extra passenger, alternate universe T'nae!
Not happy about that either...to stop a war to save lives yet it came anyways...Oh Ironey how I love you!:D
My character Tsin'xing
That means there was only 2-3 people on the entire ship, you can't tell me that they would fare as well as when they had a near full crew.
Isn't it time to stop messing with time?!
I'm pretty sure there were only a hundred or so crew left as of "Yesterday's Enterprise". So either 600 died in the battle, or the ship wasn't fully crewed at the time.
And during the last part of the mission we see a few Boffs from the Enterprise-C. Presumably we beamed the rest of the crew off the Tholian base before we went back through the rift. And possibly put T'nae back as well.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
My character Tsin'xing
i assumed, given that the crew fills right up that you wernt selective and just beamed everyone non-tholian off the station
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I figure our Captains are temporal VIPs. Us being at a critical temporal event like Narendra would have drastic consequences. Like Captain Archer being pulled forward into time altered the timelike so drastically that Daniel's future ceased to exist (Enterprise eps. "Shockwave"). T'Nae doesn't seems to be that critical of a figure. So she would be pulled back into her proper place in the restored timeline.
That's my theory as it's strokes my ego.
/me continues to stroke his ego.
T'Neas daughty can be the vulcan from the main page :O
Would that make it hyper passive aggressive?
Bah who knows how that worked. The time dudes probably took everyone who didn't belong and held them in a pattern buffer, then spat them out one at a time to where they were supposed to be, it would be easier to do it that way then have to deal with a crowd jammed in that little time cell arguing with each other. That or maybe they didn't need to do anything, just hold onto everyone not from the C just to keep them from going back with it, then when time sorts itself out everyone would just merge back into their proper locations automatically..
Or maybe.....Head Explodes....
Huh? Since when?
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
I thought that was Saavik.
I don't remember hearing that in any of her movies. Though I haven't seen them in a while.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
My character Tsin'xing