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The Meaning of Silence(or, the upcoming Romulan faction)
betawatcher
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We've all seen it by now:
http://sto.perfectworld.com/sto_may2013
"March beneath the raptor's wings"
Obviously, the implication is a playable Romulan faction. But of course, simply implying something does not necessarily mean they are going to do it. They could after all want to make us think one thing and then surprise us with another.
However, I submit that after making the implication that a Romulan faction is coming, if that is not actually what happens, people are going to rage on a scale we have never seen before. So if a Romulan faction werent what they were actually planning, they could try to diffuse some of that rage before it happens by letting us know that isnt the plan. But they arent. Instead, they are remaining silent. The question is, what does remaining silent mean in this case?
There are 2 possible reasons:
A - a Romulan faction is actually coming in May, so there is simply nothing to diffuse.
B - they simply dont care about the rage. They know the teaser page is going to make people think there is going to be a Romulan faction, but they are just fine with letting people get the wrong idea only to be disappointed later. This would essentially be trolling the community.
Personally, I dont see how "B" could be the case, therefore "A" is the only logical answer. But what do you think? Do you think they would actually troll the community on this scale?
http://sto.perfectworld.com/sto_may2013
"March beneath the raptor's wings"
Obviously, the implication is a playable Romulan faction. But of course, simply implying something does not necessarily mean they are going to do it. They could after all want to make us think one thing and then surprise us with another.
However, I submit that after making the implication that a Romulan faction is coming, if that is not actually what happens, people are going to rage on a scale we have never seen before. So if a Romulan faction werent what they were actually planning, they could try to diffuse some of that rage before it happens by letting us know that isnt the plan. But they arent. Instead, they are remaining silent. The question is, what does remaining silent mean in this case?
There are 2 possible reasons:
A - a Romulan faction is actually coming in May, so there is simply nothing to diffuse.
B - they simply dont care about the rage. They know the teaser page is going to make people think there is going to be a Romulan faction, but they are just fine with letting people get the wrong idea only to be disappointed later. This would essentially be trolling the community.
Personally, I dont see how "B" could be the case, therefore "A" is the only logical answer. But what do you think? Do you think they would actually troll the community on this scale?
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Also, I really DONT WANT a Romulan faction when the game core is still a broken pre-alpha.
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You mean like after every major patch, season, updates or what not.
No matter what they do, people will come to the forum to rage.
Imagine they do a Romulan playable faction, say hello to the Cardassian players raging about not getting their faction, say hello to KDF players who were promised a complete faction before adding new factions, say hello to Romulan players who are not happy at all with the way Cryptic did their faction.
As for not coming out and setting the record straight, they're not leaking spoilers yet, say it's about a new Feature Episode Series that pitches the Tal Shiar against New Romulus and UFP and KDF must defend against the Tal Shiar, do you expect them to come out and spoil the surprise because people may get the wrong idea? Nah, the purpose of being mysterious is that no promises are made, therefore no promises broken. They should have learnt that lesson seasons ago.
No. As you point out, we have seen that before. What I said was that people will rage on a scale we have never seen before. By definition that excludes what we have already seen before.
This is not a logical explanation for remaining silent if there were no Rom faction. Even if they do not want to share specific details about some new FE series, they would still want to keep people from thinking they were getting a Rom faction if that was not the case. Unless of course they simply dont care about people getting the wrong impression, which is option "B".
If some people FEEL they are promising something then its not a case of Cryptic trolling the community, its just another case of some of the community trolling themselves without realizing it.
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-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
Why assume they would deliver a Romulan faction at a stage more complete than the Klingons? By actually under delivering they effectively legitimize the Klingon situation and can relegate it, and the new Romulan 'pack' to mini-faction status (i.e. they no longer need to be a full faction).
I dont think its quite that simple. If they had simply said there was more Romulan content coming in May, and then some people just assumed that meant a playable faction, that would be pretty wild speculation with no real basis.
But that promo page along with tag line "march beneath the raptor's wings" strongly suggests playing AS a Romulan, because the 2 current factions certainly arent marching "beneath the raptor's wings".
So with the devs designing a promo that strongly suggests playing AS a Romulan, then if that is not actually what they are making then they are the ones doing the trolling.
Dan said May update is absolutely not season 8. He said they would pick up with seasons after May update. May update is " Too big to be a season."
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
I wonder why they wont simply say "expansion".
Evil edit ruined my point. -.-
Long live the Romulan Star Empire !
Probably so they don't have to answer questions as to if the players are going to have to pay for it.
And as long as you had access to Romulan ships I personally have NO problem with that.
This character is why I don't play my Romulan any more. Tovan Khev is NOT my BFF! Get him off my bridge!
Which if one really thinks about it, is kinda silly...
Just because They begin to add the Romulans as a Third Faction, there is no reason to believe that They will just STOP adding stuff to the Klingon side.
The game is just starting to hit a roll...
They are not going to simply stop adding content to all aspects of the game, because They have initiated a new faction.
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The only meaning the silence has so soon after the teaser it "it's too early to tell you anything or it'll spoil it".
We'll know whether or not it's a faction by sometime in April, I guarantee you.
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- He says that in May the character creator will be completely remade.
- He's now saying that factions will be "resolved."
My pet theory is that faction will become a matter of choice (which basically sets costume options and ship choices), species will be redefined somehow, and all existing missions will get their factionality stripped out, with few exceptions.
In turn, the Fed/Klingon War ends and the Romulans, Klingons, and Federation form an alliance.
PvP will be infighting that occurs along non-political faction lines. (Ie. The Star Trek: Insurrection model. Visit a planet. Pick a side. Doesn't matter if you're Fed or KDF; that just determines what ships you fly and costumes you wear. It'll be, for example, Feds, Roms, and KDF fighting to relocate settlers against Feds, Roms, and KDF who oppose relocating the settlers.)
Now, a mission like Second Star to the Right may remain factional but will probably be prefaced with some addition where you get surgically disguised so as not to look Klingon and are told outright that your actions there go against the Chancellor's orders and are being done on behalf of a shady house or the Orion Syndicate. Basically, if you get caught, the Chancellor himself with discommend and likely execute you.
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That doesn't really account for what happens to the KDF.
I really think it's relevant that they're saying they plan to "resolve" the idea of factions.
The words resolve and resolution keep coming up. There's the talk about the character creator getting an overhaul and PvP getting redefined.
I sincerely think what we'll see is faction being something you have (effectively a super-pivotal species trait that determines what ships you can fly and what costumes you wear) and not something you ARE, fundamentally.
Which probably means that they'll go through all of the missions and, for the most part, rip out the superior officers and make mission givers into non-aligned parties. While the dialogue options may have branches based on what your current faction is. (And, yeah, I suspect defection will be an option then.)
Think of it this way...
The current system is:
Faction -> Profession -> Species -> Traits
(From most defining to least defining.)
The new system will be:
Profession -> Traits -> Species -> Faction
(From most defining to least defining.)
From there, faction will be a flavor element and a limiting element on cosmetics and dialogue options. Major new gameplay will flow from adding new professions.
Species will be more cosmetic than it is presently. Traits will be unrestricted but have set bonuses for logical combos. Faction will basically just be a bottom level set of permissions that filter and further define your options below the species level.
I'll add that I suspect species may be cut out altogether, except possibly as costume parts that unlock from having the right combination of traits selected.
Just for clarification, the subtitle of that book was "Beneath the Raptor's Wings", not "March beneath...". Marching for something implies allegiance(and working for them). And the same day that video game out Brandon posted on his twitter "Will you march?":
https://twitter.com/PWE_BranFlakes/status/296749257648648194
Whatever they are making, they are heavily implying that WE(the player) will be playing for/as the Romulans.
You may very well be on to something here. It does sound like factions as we know it is going to change.
Say you want to make a Vulcan.
You pick traits that are part of the Vulcan set bonus.
Let's say you pick Creative, Covert, Resilient, and Stubborn.
This gives you the option from a dropdown to be a Vulcan, which gives you Mindmeld and Efficient as a free bonus. You also have the Human option, which gives you Leadership and Teamwork as a free bonus. Or you can be Ferengi with Lobes and Natural Immunities as a free bonus.
However, you'd have to drop Covert and select something else to unlock Trill as an option. If you try to select Trill, it will require you to drop "Covert" before you proceed.
You can select Unknown with any combination of traits but doing so will either forego set bonuses or offer a more mild, generic set bonus of two bonus traits (1 space/convenience and 1 ground).
Trait respec will therefore wipe your costume slots and require you to select compatible species/traits before proceeding.
I'd imagine you can keep any costumes you currently have in May but that a trait respec will wipe them.
Huh-oh...
I sense another Gorn-Tro-Lo-Lo-like change coming our way. :eek:
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I doubt it'll happen that way, I can already hear people complaining that their Trill should be able to be covert if they want because it's their character. Now, choosing something like super strength should be species locked, but not something that's based on trained skills.
Well they'd need to start adding content before they can stop...
Me thinks the meaning of Content, is once again, about to become an issue. :eek:
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