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  • hartzillahartzilla Member Posts: 1,177 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    So we finally got a cruiser that feels like a hero ship, awesome.
  • k2x4b524pak2x4b524pa Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    A couple of things, i like the ambassador, it's good ship, but not meant for PvP, i got owned almost every time. Anyway, i hate to nit pick, but the Ambassador has 1 impulse engine, why are there 2 exhaust trails coming from it? And in Yesterday's Ent, wasn't the impulse engine blue?

    I may be wrong on the blue part, but if your gonna port a ship. GET IT RIGHT, and don't even start me in on the pics of the connie in the fleet base.
  • mustafatennickmustafatennick Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    k2x4b524pa wrote: »
    A couple of things, i like the ambassador, it's good ship, but not meant for PvP, i got owned almost every time. Anyway, i hate to nit pick, but the Ambassador has 1 impulse engine, why are there 2 exhaust trails coming from it? And in Yesterday's Ent, wasn't the impulse engine blue?

    I may be wrong on the blue part, but if your gonna port a ship. GET IT RIGHT, and don't even start me in on the pics of the connie in the fleet base.

    Using a cruiser in pvp is a specialist job

    This setup lends itself good towards pvp you just need patience and practice

    10 consoles would make things easier but well see

    Your massively over thinking this impulse engine milarchy :/
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  • alexindcobraalexindcobra Member Posts: 608
    edited February 2013
    k2x4b524pa wrote: »
    A couple of things, i like the ambassador, it's good ship, but not meant for PvP, i got owned almost every time. Anyway, i hate to nit pick, but the Ambassador has 1 impulse engine, why are there 2 exhaust trails coming from it? And in Yesterday's Ent, wasn't the impulse engine blue?

    I may be wrong on the blue part, but if your gonna port a ship. GET IT RIGHT, and don't even start me in on the pics of the connie in the fleet base.

    I never got owned in my Ambassador in PVP. Yeah I got killed a few time but it wasn't back to back from same people. I did C&H yesterday with a 27 kills and 0 deaths. I must be doing something right with that record. I advise you to find a player who knows how to build tanking cruisers and get a few pointers before you sour your liking of the Ambassador.
  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I never got owned in my Ambassador in PVP. Yeah I got killed a few time but it wasn't back to back from same people. I did C&H yesterday with a 27 kills and 0 deaths. I must be doing something right with that record. I advise you to find a player who knows how to build tanking cruisers and get a few pointers before you sour your liking of the Ambassador.

    A little late for that, already hate the bugger XD.
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
  • raventomoeraventomoe Member Posts: 723 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    A little late for that, already hate the bugger XD.

    Than you didn't spec right my friend. I only am having issues when it comes down to dealing with a more than one opponent (namely fighters). Still trying to figure out how best to use it.

    What's bothering me is the fact that I got a Mirror Assault in a box ready for when I hit RA. X_X And I might go with a Patrol Escort as my freebie. What is a Starfleet Captain to do!

    EDIT: I noticed I made the mistake on what kind of enemy I am dealing with.
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  • djf021djf021 Member Posts: 1,382 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I'm impressed myself. One thing I've noticed is it's a GREAT cruiser for science captians, due to the Lt commander Boff slot. Also works wonders in Infected Conduit Elite, if you like cruisers, again, due to the option to use Gravity well. Enjoying it very much!
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  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    raventomoe wrote: »
    Than you didn't spec right my friend. I only am having issues when it comes down to dealing with a more than one opponent (namely fighters). Still trying to figure out how best to use it.

    What's bothering me is the fact that I got a Mirror Assault in a box ready for when I hit RA. X_X And I might go with a Patrol Escort as my freebie. What is a Starfleet Captain to do!

    EDIT: I noticed I made the mistake on what kind of enemy I am dealing with.

    Has nothing to do with speccing correctly. I don't see a purpose for this ship, nor do I see it as a replacement for any other cruisers I currently have. I also am not fond of it's visual design or it's BOff layout. Sufficed to say, every other cruiser I main can do what it does better, and I have ships that can tank as well if not better, deal more damage, and have better CC/heal abilities.

    As a whole, I don't find this ship impressive in any way, shape, or form, except for one factor, it's blind following.
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
  • alexindcobraalexindcobra Member Posts: 608
    edited February 2013
    Has nothing to do with speccing correctly. I don't see a purpose for this ship, nor do I see it as a replacement for any other cruisers I currently have. I also am not fond of it's visual design or it's BOff layout. Sufficed to say, every other cruiser I main can do what it does better, and I have ships that can tank as well if not better, deal more damage, and have better CC/heal abilities.

    As a whole, I don't find this ship impressive in any way, shape, or form, except for one factor, it's blind following.

    Ok, fine. You don't like it no matter what. Its not going to change our minds. You always jump on everybody else's parade for trolling but you don't even look at yourself. Nobody forced you to fly the Ambassador. I personally like the Ambassador for it perfomance and looks, it tends to have a Constitution/Excelsior/Galaxy look to it. The Sovereign don't do that for me. Oh yeah, the purpose for introducing the Abassador Class was because it was a canon cruiser that bared the name Enterprise. The Devs said it themselve in the videos.
  • mustafatennickmustafatennick Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Has nothing to do with speccing correctly. I don't see a purpose for this ship, nor do I see it as a replacement for any other cruisers I currently have. I also am not fond of it's visual design or it's BOff layout. Sufficed to say, every other cruiser I main can do what it does better, and I have ships that can tank as well if not better, deal more damage, and have better CC/heal abilities.

    As a whole, I don't find this ship impressive in any way, shape, or form, except for one factor, it's blind following.

    To be honest with you I think your the one with BLIND hate for this ship

    It's a good free ship with good Boff setup and the cstore or fleet versions will be better

    If you don't like it don't use it you didn't pay for for it so let people who do like the ship enjoy the ship
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  • danquellerdanqueller Member Posts: 506 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Has nothing to do with speccing correctly. I don't see a purpose for this ship, nor do I see it as a replacement for any other cruisers I currently have. I also am not fond of it's visual design or it's BOff layout. Sufficed to say, every other cruiser I main can do what it does better, and I have ships that can tank as well if not better, deal more damage, and have better CC/heal abilities.

    As a whole, I don't find this ship impressive in any way, shape, or form, except for one factor, it's blind following.

    If you don't see it as a replacement for any of your ships, that is an asset to it's design, since it means it isn't doing the job of any of your other ships. A far cry from introducing a ship that clearly is intended to replace an existing class.

    Personally, I don't enjoy the appearance of the ship myself. However, I can both see a utility for the ship (science/tactical support ship as opposed to tactical/engineering or engineering/science as other cruisers) as well as that players who might just be getting to the endgame would find a free ship that can hold its own in endgame a valuable ship.

    Also, just as I find the Galaxy class to be my favorite ship in the game (with the Excelsior a very close second), I know others can't stand the appearance/stats of the ship. I let them fly their ship, and I fly mine. The advantage of STO is that people get to fly what they like.
  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Has nothing to do with speccing correctly. I don't see a purpose for this ship, nor do I see it as a replacement for any other cruisers I currently have. I also am not fond of it's visual design or it's BOff layout. Sufficed to say, every other cruiser I main can do what it does better, and I have ships that can tank as well if not better, deal more damage, and have better CC/heal abilities.

    As a whole, I don't find this ship impressive in any way, shape, or form, except for one factor, it's blind following.

    for a free ship it is excellent, but i wouldn't consider it to use, since i have access to better ships (10 cosnoles).
    In my opinion she is a little better than the last years oddy.
    all in all, one of the best cruisers for new players...superior to the star cruiser and the assault cruiser and some older c-store ships (galaxy R especially, but what ship isn't superior to that?), but inferior to fleet level cruisers.
    the commander and ltdcmdr engi boff combination on most free cruisers is simply not suited for the PVE content of this game in my opinion. And in PVP a ltcmdr science is as good or even better than a ltcmdr engi on a cruiser.

    as i said before, a shame that the galaxy R does not have the boff layout of the ambassador.
    Go pro or go home
  • ssgtgumby#3483 ssgtgumby Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I never got owned in my Ambassador in PVP. Yeah I got killed a few time but it wasn't back to back from same people. I did C&H yesterday with a 27 kills and 0 deaths. I must be doing something right with that record. I advise you to find a player who knows how to build tanking cruisers and get a few pointers before you sour your liking of the Ambassador.


    Hey alexindcobra, I agree totally. I feel I have a decent build but would love to hear your tanking build, if you have time. I've set notification on this post to notify me by e-mail so I can be sure to get your response because building a kick TRIBBLE Ambassador is my top priority. Thank you sir.
  • zarathos1978zarathos1978 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Cmdr Ambassador looks not too good. It lacks lt. sci BOFF while getting the lt.eng and loosing a point of turn. It's not more tactical then Excelsior, and less mobile then Heavy Cruiser. Also lacks a good HoT from lt. sci (TSS) so it kinda suck. For me at least. Sorta like Galaxy-R among of cmdr level ships.

    Now, the retrofit version looks better. I love the lt.cmdr sci - would allow me to slot highest level HoTs from sci tree (HE III or TSS III) for pure healer or some nice high level CC for more general support. A lot better then lt.cmdr eng if you ask me. Also the double tac slots make it a lot more offensive then the other free supporter: Star Cruiser. Generally if one aims to fly a free support cruiser then Ambassador looks as much better choice then Star Cruiser - more versatile is always better and with lt. tac BOFF slot you do something nasty with mines if you field them, or slot FAW without worrying about loosing double TT (2 TT on supporter is a must for me: one for me, one for someont else).

    But then it's me only.
  • illcadiaillcadia Member Posts: 1,412 Bug Hunter
    edited February 2013
    I quite like the retrofit myself. I'm really looking forward to the fleet/Cstore version.
  • raventomoeraventomoe Member Posts: 723 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Cmdr Ambassador looks not too good. It lacks lt. sci BOFF while getting the lt.eng and loosing a point of turn. It's not more tactical then Excelsior, and less mobile then Heavy Cruiser. Also lacks a good HoT from lt. sci (TSS) so it kinda suck. For me at least. Sorta like Galaxy-R among of cmdr level ships.

    Now, the retrofit version looks better. I love the lt.cmdr sci - would allow me to slot highest level HoTs from sci tree (HE III or TSS III) for pure healer or some nice high level CC for more general support. A lot better then lt.cmdr eng if you ask me. Also the double tac slots make it a lot more offensive then the other free supporter: Star Cruiser. Generally if one aims to fly a free support cruiser then Ambassador looks as much better choice then Star Cruiser - more versatile is always better and with lt. tac BOFF slot you do something nasty with mines if you field them, or slot FAW without worrying about loosing double TT (2 TT on supporter is a must for me: one for me, one for someont else).

    But then it's me only.

    This is partially my assessment though an RCS Console of Mk VI to Mk VIII seems to fix the turn rate problem rather well. It can slug it out with Brigand Cruisers I am playing it on but Slavemaster and Marauder Battleships tend to start giving it problems. I am about to go back and get my Discovery-class out of the shipyard and go back and teach the Orions just what I can do. ^_^
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  • skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Not gonna lie, I think the Ambassador is fugly as hell, nor do I understand the obsession with this ship. But I will say, that despite my reservations, she does what she was stated to do, and does it surprisingly well. I won't be changing out of my Odyssey for her, nor will I permanently dock my defiant-R or my Regent, but she's not bad for a freebie ship.

    So all of my Ambassador dislike/NO COMPRENDE SENOR!!! aside, well done Cryptic.

    While I agree that FUGLY IS FUGLY!! I do understand why the ship has been so well received. I think its a combination of factors.

    First, its a ship a vocal few have been asking for a very long time. The gratification of that alone is enough to make more than a few feel great.

    Second, its tied to the very first story/non-grind content we've had since The 2800, which was of questionable quality (except the orb experience, that part was amazing), which was itself preceded by the "year of drought". A free non useless ship tied to actual story content that is itself directly tied to one of TNGs more memorable episodes, AND it has voice acting from a cast member? Its a Trekkies wet dream come true! Of course they love that!

    Third, its not overly tanky (ie, it doesn't suffer from Galaxy disease).... seriously, that alone makes it far more suited to the game's gameplay than the Galaxy or Star Cruiser. The way it was made the science of the cruiser trio, with the regent being tac and the galaxy being engi was very clever and very welcome. It even has 3 tac boff powers and a seven base turn rating.

    The only real tragedy is that the Ambassador fits the role of sci cruiser better than the Star Cruiser, which has the much better cruiser skins!
  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Ok, fine. You don't like it no matter what. Its not going to change our minds. You always jump on everybody else's parade for trolling but you don't even look at yourself. Nobody forced you to fly the Ambassador. I personally like the Ambassador for it perfomance and looks, it tends to have a Constitution/Excelsior/Galaxy look to it. The Sovereign don't do that for me. Oh yeah, the purpose for introducing the Abassador Class was because it was a canon cruiser that bared the name Enterprise. The Devs said it themselve in the videos.

    Yeah, I don't like it. I don't expect anybody to care about that fact, nor do I ever intend to use it. I never said I was being forced to use it, and I can respect that you like it. You will also notice I never attacked anyone for liking the ship, I only went after the ship itself. So please, stop doing what you always do and stop being so damn defensive.
    To be honest with you I think your the one with BLIND hate for this ship

    It's a good free ship with good Boff setup and the cstore or fleet versions will be better

    If you don't like it don't use it you didn't pay for for it so let people who do like the ship enjoy the ship

    You will notice in the post quoted by skyranger that yes, I don't like the ship. But I also admitted that it is pretty good for a free ship, and that I can understand why some would find it useful. But as for it's "blind" following, I was referring to players who were practically drooling all over themselves once the Ambassador was announced, and that is what I don't understand, but tbh just really don't care.
    danqueller wrote: »
    If you don't see it as a replacement for any of your ships, that is an asset to it's design, since it means it isn't doing the job of any of your other ships. A far cry from introducing a ship that clearly is intended to replace an existing class.

    Personally, I don't enjoy the appearance of the ship myself. However, I can both see a utility for the ship (science/tactical support ship as opposed to tactical/engineering or engineering/science as other cruisers) as well as that players who might just be getting to the endgame would find a free ship that can hold its own in endgame a valuable ship.

    Also, just as I find the Galaxy class to be my favorite ship in the game (with the Excelsior a very close second), I know others can't stand the appearance/stats of the ship. I let them fly their ship, and I fly mine. The advantage of STO is that people get to fly what they like.

    Finally a logical response. You are correct, it wasn't designed to replace any existing ships, but I see it as a stop-gap more than anything, something to hold over a player until they have access to newer ships. And I have no issue with this. Apparently I am a bad person because I think a ship is fugly and useless TO ME, which automatically makes me think the same for everyone? Um... fubar logic much?

    Alright, I'll say this once.

    I hate the ship. I won't lie. I think it was a terrible design in the show, and I think it's in game version isn't much of an improvement. I personally have no use for one. But that's just me. You guys are more than welcome to enjoy this ship, and I have no issues with any of you liking it. But to each their own. You guys have a use for it, you guys can enjoy it, but I will go on disliking it's visual and combat and overall capability. But that only applies for me.

    Bleh... I don't even know why I had to say this in the first place... You guys get so nuts when someone says they don't like something you guys do XD
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
  • adamkafeiadamkafei Member Posts: 6,539 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Third, its not overly tanky

    It can be, PH1, HE3, Aux2SIF2 and you've hit your hull resistance cap... add resistance consoles to that equation and you're overdoing it...
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  • cptrichardson12cptrichardson12 Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The Ambassador has some iffy sections (The exact shape of the upper saucer, the wanna-be galaxy pylons instead of connie ones, the lack of detailing around the deflector), but really it's a far prettier ship than a galaxy family ship (other than the Venture) once you get to know her.

    That being said, she's a close match for an Excelsi due to the fact that she can tank it and make it. I wish they had chosen a different statline for the ship (3/3/4), but I can live with her.

    The ship can't cause the sheer spike power of a tac-officer'd Oddy, or a Fleet 'Celsi, or an ACR's sustained burn, but she can hold that pressure under extreme conditions (to include Tac Cubes and Transwarp Gateways) to draw fire from friends.

    It definitely doesn't need that fourth engi console, though. Better off handing that off to Sci to stack threat consoles.
  • twg042370twg042370 Member Posts: 2,312 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Playing it at Commander level with my weirdo Sci captain. The look has grown on me immensely. A nice mix of 80s and 90s Trek ship designs. Tanks like a champ too.

    I'm glad I picked it up.
    <3
  • cotp0maurafeycotp0maurafey Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Yes there is something very special about this ship. I cant seem to put it down. She's not too big..not too small and having Ltc Sci boff slots on a cruiser strangely works. Same with the KDF ship two weird ships that are fun to fly...for free :)


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    Stick with STO, a much superior FTP game.
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  • mastercode123mastercode123 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I need some help with the Ambassador build, it has very low dps even with full mark 12 borg weapons that are antiproton, with upgrades to them and sci embassy consoles that adds plasma procs to them, I get mostly below 80 dps with them, and cannot break a 8 thousand crit, I am a Sci officer, Please help me with this build, Because I have the surviving against other starships part down, but not the dps rating. :confused:
  • alexindcobraalexindcobra Member Posts: 608
    edited February 2013
    maverick65 wrote: »
    Hey alexindcobra, I agree totally. I feel I have a decent build but would love to hear your tanking build, if you have time. I've set notification on this post to notify me by e-mail so I can be sure to get your response because building a kick TRIBBLE Ambassador is my top priority. Thank you sir.

    Here is my Ambassador build:

    Front Weapons: 3 Fleet Phaser Beam Arrays Mk XII, 1 Fleet Photon Topedo Mk XII

    Rear Weapons: 3 Fleet Phaser Beam Arrays Mk XII, 1 Fleet Photon Torpedo Mk XII

    Equipment: Very Rare- Positron Deflector Array Mk XII (Ast)(EM)(HS), Jem'Hadar Engine Mk XI,
    MACO Resilient Shield Arry Mk XII

    Consoles: 1 Rare-Neutronium Alloy MK XI, 1 Rare-Field Emitter Mk XII, 1 Very Rare-Field Emitter Mk XI, Assimilated Module, 2 Rare-Field Generators MK XII, and 3 Rare-Phaser Relays MK XI.

    You can choose to have whatever weapons you like depending on the type of damage results you're looking for.
  • alexindcobraalexindcobra Member Posts: 608
    edited February 2013
    I need some help with the Ambassador build, it has very low dps even with full mark 12 borg weapons that are antiproton, with upgrades to them and sci embassy consoles that adds plasma procs to them, I get mostly below 80 dps with them, and cannot break a 8 thousand crit, I am a Sci officer, Please help me with this build, Because I have the surviving against other starships part down, but not the dps rating. :confused:

    If you want DPS from a cruiser, you're going to have to trade your science abilities for tactical abilities in your skill tree. I am a Tac Captain in a cruiser, I get decent survivabilty and moderate DPS with my Ambassador Class.
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