Jem space set!!!! upgrade

sgtciscoinsa

Updated the Jem'Hadar Space Set Mk XII:
Dominion Synergy, 2 Piece Bonus: Increased Polaron and Power Insulators bonus by 50%.
Antiproton Sweep, 3 Piece Bonus: Now disables cloaks for longer, drains more shields, and recharges faster.

Anyone else freaking excited about this?

webdeath

sgtciscoinsa wrote: »

Updated the Jem'Hadar Space Set Mk XII:
Dominion Synergy, 2 Piece Bonus: Increased Polaron and Power Insulators bonus by 50%.
Antiproton Sweep, 3 Piece Bonus: Now disables cloaks for longer, drains more shields, and recharges faster.

Anyone else freaking excited about this?

Nope. Not at all.

virusdancer

Have they actually reduced the cost yet?

fletch57

i'm wondering if the mk XI space set you can get for 200 lobi crystals is any good?

ussultimatum

webdeath wrote: »

Nope. Not at all.

My thoughts exactly.

I'd love to have this set for theme, but an increase of the Dominion synergy polaron bonus means it goes from a measly 8% to 12% or something like that.

When I slotted the MK XI 2 piece recently, that meant about a 1.5% DPV gain on a DHC.

While every last % of extra damage is good to have, 1.5% on DPV doesn't compete in my mind, even remotely, with alternative options.


By alternative options, I generally mean Borg 2 piece, because even after the nerf no other 2 piece Eng/Deflector does anything noticeable enough to make it worth swapping out from for an Escort.

(I'd love for Tet Glider to be one of those that replacements for example, but in both controlled testing and live 5v5 matches Tet Glider w/ DHCs + CRF seemed to make no significant or even remotely visible impact on damage performance).

maddog0000doom

fletch57 wrote: »

i'm wondering if the mk XI space set you can get for 200 lobi crystals is any good?

unless your only getting as a collector no its not worth it. its still terrible when compared to stf x gearor remen gear

sgtciscoinsa

collector?

Borg set is great on heals..but my wingman got me on that. He is a great healer.

Now with that being said I understand....but I disagree in the regards to team play. Even though borg set can help in team healing its a wasted proc if your health is full....do what your suppose to do in team..my escort is to do damage..my heals heals me. That my philosophy.

8.8 to 12 is a great upgrade. Thats more dps....plus the other things that can be granted since ur a dominion ship.

broken1981

while i agree on an escourt 2pt borg is good, i also have to agree the jem mk12 sucks. but ill also add borg 2pt on escourts is not a must.i was in a 48 min match against turks with tetglider and adapted maco sheilds. to be honest tetglider does over all perform better then borg. but need the whole team to do it. the omega engines and deflector are better over borg any day hands down. just some people love free heals.

ussultimatum

broken1981 wrote: »

but ill also add borg 2pt on escourts is not a must.

I agree, I don't think it's a must.

broken1981 wrote: »

i was in a 48 min match against turks with tetglider and adapted maco sheilds. to be honest tetglider does over all perform better then borg. but need the whole team to do it. the omega engines and deflector are better over borg any day hands down. just some people love free heals.

I can't speak to the whole team using it, I've never seen that personally - so maybe that is where it shines.

It's less about free heals for me, and more the fact that my combat logs didn't really show any kind of significant improvement to my personal output with Tet Glider.

To be honest, I'd love to find something other than the Borg 2 piece.

kimmym

It has been stated that Lobi gear is *NOT* supposed to outshine ESTF gear. It is supposed to be behind ESTF sets. The reason is anybody and their brother can get Lobi gear, but only people who can complete ESTFs can get ESTF gear.

So no, they won't be buffing the set to compete with other sets. They are only buffing it to get people to spend Lobi. If you are looking to beat the system, you aren't going to do it with the Jem set.

It is still a nice set on the few ships it was designed for, but even then those shields.... ick...

kimmym

Tet glider really shines in Hive Onslaught. Anything that helps drag those shields down is a godsend. I actually have a build I use only for HO that involves multiple energy and shield drains. If I luck out and get a decent tac or 2 to make up for the damage I lose going flowcap instead of partgen that borg queen goes down *FAST*.

My record HO so far is 13:22. That was in a pug, with me in flowcap mode making the mobs weak as hell. Tet glider rocked there.

borticuscryptic

ussultimatum wrote: »

(I'd love for Tet Glider to be one of those that replacements for example, but in both controlled testing and live 5v5 matches Tet Glider w/ DHCs + CRF seemed to make no significant or even remotely visible impact on damage performance).

If you're using a Combat Log parser, Tetryon Glider isn't likely to even show up. Shield Drain damage isn't very well reported (if at all) in our Combat Logs.

And yes, fixing that is on our short list.

kimmym

Correct. I have never seen tet glider show up in my parses. I can only go with what I see with my eyes, and that is shields dropping faster.

Yes, I know, less then scientific, but when the run goes faster something happened.

ussultimatum

kimmym wrote: »

Tet glider really shines in Hive Onslaught. Anything that helps drag those shields down is a godsend.

I think, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, that Tet Glider is resisted by points in PI - I have my doubts that the borg actually have PI with which to resist Tet Glider.

borticuscryptic wrote: »

If you're using a Combat Log parser, Tetryon Glider isn't likely to even show up. Shield Drain damage isn't very well reported (if at all) in our Combat Logs.

And yes, fixing that is on our short list.

Hi Bort,

Well, I look forward to that fix and re-testing glider.

I'm still not sold on using it, especially if PI resists it the way it resists everything else - but I'd at least like to test it to give it a thorough once over.

p2wsucks

ussultimatum wrote: »

I think, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, that Tet Glider is resisted by points in PI - I have my doubts that the borg actually have PI with which to resist Tet Glider.



Hi Bort,

Well, I look forward to that fix and re-testing glider.

I'm still not sold on using it, especially if PI resists it the way it resists everything else - but I'd at least like to test it to give it a thorough once over.

Iirc the % Tet glider was resisted if at all was less than Sci shield stripping Boff powers. But, this was months ago.

Also, keep in mind Tet glider effectiveness is dependent on Flow Cap and Weapon's Power and # of hits (not volley).

p2wsucks

Regaring the OP, I have a hard time giving up Energy Wake procs form Omega shields. Also, anything that isn't Hyper-Impulse Engines is a non-starter for me. Though I may try them out at somepoint. Iirc the old boost to polaron damage was ~ the same as a Tac console.

hurleybird

I'd usually be enthusiastic about them buffing weaker sets, except for the obvious ulterior motive of selling more Jem'hadar TRIBBLE and the risk of making the bug even more OP.

naz4

At the end of the day, this game is about making money.
However couldn't agree with you more about making the bug more OP potentially

shimmerless

We need a Lobi store Tron bike before Aegis'll get the same treatment

mancom

naz4 wrote: »

At the end of the day, this game is about making money.

And that's the sad part. Why can't we have a game developer that is content with breaking even and providing the best possible game?

kimmym

I don't PvP so PI is a non-issue.

And yes, TG might do less then sci shield drain powers... but... the joy is you can use both... its not a choice.

ussultimatum

mancom wrote: »

And that's the sad part. Why can't we have a game developer that is content with breaking even and providing the best possible game?

1) Shareholders.

2) The realities of life.


( That being said, I do think a happy medium exists between breaking even and a profits above all things - including quality & customer satisfaction - approach)

maximus614

I use the 3 piece mark XII maco set on my jem bug seems to work fairly well,,,i run usually either tet or phasers DHCs with turrets on back, occasionally a cobalt mine on aft as well.

Never tried the omega set nor the jem set,,seemed to me the only benefit of the jem set was a small increase in polaron damage,,,i think the maco set is much better.

naz4

ussultimatum wrote: »

1) Shareholders.

2) The realities of life.


( That being said, I do think a happy medium exists between breaking even and a profits above all things - including quality & customer satisfaction - approach)

What he said Hilbert.

hurleybird

mancom wrote: »

And that's the sad part. Why can't we have a game developer that is content with breaking even and providing the best possible game?

Or better yet, one with a belief that the best way to make money hand over fist is to make the best possible game.

playhard88

i hope that they don't increse even more the polaron bonus...no need to buff the phased polaron weapons, they are already good.

broken1981

ussultimatum wrote: »

I think, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, that Tet Glider is resisted by points in PI - I have my doubts that the borg actually have PI with which to resist Tet Glider.



Hi Bort,

Well, I look forward to that fix and re-testing glider.

I'm still not sold on using it, especially if PI resists it the way it resists everything else - but I'd at least like to test it to give it a thorough once over.

even if it is a small ammount of damage per shot, its still something extra. and the boost to acc helps as well. when tet first came out i was forced to go back to 2pt borg. i hated it but there was no other option. plus it was an op set. nothing else stood up to to it. since its been fixed(not a nerf since 2pt should not act like 3pt) i can actually use diff sets.

sadly aegis is still not an option.

kimmym

I hear some people saying Aegis is pretty good still on ships with huge shield mods, but I must admit I haven't run any math on that.

I'm not worried about the minor bump to the polaron damage at all. It is still nothing compared to how much extra plasma damage I can squeeze out in a 4xSci slot ship and using the Romulan weapons set.

I should know, when the first Jem Hadar set came out I went insane swapping to polaron for the bonus... yeah... it wasn't worth using those junk shields.

thegrimcorsair

Couple things to keep in mind, too. Tet Glider is very sensitive to weapons power, applies to each tick of damage you apply to a target (IE: with CRF up each of your DHC's applies that effect x 4), applies that damage to all shield facings, and is buffed by Flow Capacitors.

Overall I'm really interested in taking the Jem Mk XII out for a spin, but looking at its powers and bonuses, to me it screams to be on a Sci ship, not an escort or cruiser (excepting anything that can abuse the built-in Sub-nuc proc).

thissler

webdeath wrote: »

Nope. Not at all.

I love this man. I really do. In a non touching way.

kimmym

Yes, being a sci helps, especially if you have points in Flow Caps like I do, but polaron can't really hold a candle to disruptor as a sci.

If you are viewing your role as to debuff opponents for the tacs to destroy them quicker, disruptor is far more consistant. The proc last for so long that once you score one it tends to stay up till they die. Polaron is a TRIBBLE shoot.

Edit: On my sci I preffer Polarized Disruptors if I'm not trying to expliot the new plasma consoles... best of both worlds but they aren't going to benefit from the Jem set.