Ambassador's Coming: How bout New Orleans and Norway?

sekritagent

So with the Ambassador finally, blessedly, coming out (also good call on not giving us just a useless T3 version like some folks were speculating you would).

How about these on deck next for Starfleet designs?

First up, the New Orleans class from Wolf 359 in The Best of Both Worlds. Some might not find her a beauty but I think it's an interesting scaled down Nebula-Galaxy hybrid. There's almost nothing to go on canonly (but when has that mattered in STO?) so I imagine this design predates the Akira and has a designated function similar to a real world Littoral Combat Ship, which would explain its presence defending Earth at Wolf 359.

In STO this could be the first ship that's a hybrid of all 3 types of ships...gets the power bonus of a cruiser, sensor analysis and turn rate like a science vessel, and those weapon pods mean it can equip cannons. Hell, you could even go with a 3/3/3 console layout and a LtCmdr of all three classes for the BOff layout and a universal Ensign slot (might be too powerful? lol)

Not sure about the Norway class from First Contact. I am not a fan of the low-detail models like this one and the Steamrunner but might be interesting for completeness. Seems to be an escort as they seem to have set this, the Akira, and the Steamrunner in the same neighborhood. I don't know if it would have anything special to it though.

logicalspock

I think they should try to eventually put everything that was seen on screen into the game in some capacity. I am not sure they all have to be flyable ships and I don't think that any of the remaining canon starfleet ships not in the game should be a big priority, because they are mostly very minor.

The one exception is the Constellation. It made multiple appearances on screen, including two episodes focused around a Constellation class ship.

That should be a priority. All they need to do is make a costume for the T-3 ship and fleet variant.

azurianstar

Given they just released the Steamrunner, the Norway surely isn't far behind. In fact, I could see her as a T2 ship along the Sabre and you gain the Norway skin for the Akira family and act she's a refit when you are T3 and again in T5.


Anyhow, someone should make a comprehensive list of Canonical ships that Cryptic has yet to do and when they release them, it gets scratched off the list.

jexsamx

I'm hankerin' for some Nawlins-class.

I am indifferent on the Clothes Iron Norway and the other Wolf 359 wrecks.

alexhurlbut

jexsamx wrote: »

I'm hankerin' for some Nawlins-class.

I am indifferent on the Clothes Iron Norway and the other Wolf 359 wrecks.

Sorry but that sound like you're implying Norway's a Wolf 359....

logicalspock

azurianstar wrote: »

Given they just released the Steamrunner, the Norway surely isn't far behind. In fact, I could see her as a T2 ship along the Sabre and you gain the Norway skin for the Akira family and act she's a refit when you are T3 and again in T5.


Anyhow, someone should make a comprehensive list of Canonical ships that Cryptic has yet to do and when they release them, it gets scratched off the list.

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/starship_database.htm

jexsamx

alexhurlbut wrote: »

Sorry but that sound like you're implying Norway's a Wolf 359....

Not intentionally. Poor sentence structure on my part.

azurianstar

logicalspock wrote: »

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/starship_database.htm

Now take that list, post it here, and remove the ships Cryptic has yet added to STO. :P

artan42

TOS
Prototype Constitution Class (The cage)
Constellation Class
Daedalus Class
Bonaventure Class
Huron Type
Cargo Drone
Planet of the Titans Type 1 and 2

TOS films
Miranda Class (without role bars)
Miranda Class (with sensor pods)
Soyuz Class
Sydney Class

TNG
Springfield Class
New Orleans Class
Challenger Class
Niagara Class
Ambassador Class (Prototype / original concept)
Ambassador Class (refit)
Freedom Class
Galaxy Class (venture type)
Nebular Class (all but 1 version)
Olympic Class (they STO one is Olympic INO)

DS9
Norway Class
Sovereign Class (the insurrection version and the post nemesis refit)
Yeager Type
Elkins Type

Kitbashes from DS9
Hutzel Type
Alka-Selsior Type (Excelsior with squashed saucer and Constitution nacelles)
Curry Type
Raging Queen Type
Rigel Class (Jupp Type) (Constitution saucer with neck and nacelles attached to that)
Bradford Type

rrincy

Personally , the New Orleans class is what im waiting for . soon as thats announced im leveling an engineer . a fleet version of that would be fantastic

virusdancer

rrincy wrote: »

Personally , the New Orleans class is what im waiting for . soon as thats announced im leveling an engineer . a fleet version of that would be fantastic

For an Engscort?

The New Orleans is a Frigate - not a Cruiser. It's smaller than a Steamrunner.

rrincy

yes , engscort
figured it could work quite nicely depending how the setup on the ship is

virusdancer

Though, with adding the Norway as an Escort - would they add the New Orleans as one? Or would it end up being more along the lines of a Science Vessel? Kind of along the lines of how certain patrol frigates went science instead of tactical?

With all the ships, current, old, and new - it's going to get kind of overwhelming out there to have all of them (outside of T5 versions of certain ships not being available).

Have to wonder, if we won't see something done if/when they increase the level cap and if/when they add space away teams.

For many of the remaining ships, one could easily see them relegated to Space Away Team Ships. If they limit the Tier that your SAT can fly - limit the Type - etc, etc, etc. Could see them adding things like the Federation Escort Pack, Federation Cruiser Pack, Federation Science Vessel Pack, Federation Mixed Operations Pack, etc, etc, etc.

Heck, could see them treating it like a TCG - where you'd get random ships in the pack, people would trade them, etc, etc, etc...

rrincy

Who knows , i do doubt we'll see a random element brought in though , would be too like the lockboxes .
personally , for me the more ships their are in game the better , as long as they make them all competitive

smokeybacon90

I would rather see any new canon ships entering the game as skin variants for existing ones. The shipyard is getting rather crowded now.

eldarion79

virusdancer wrote: »

For an Engscort?

The New Orleans is a Frigate - not a Cruiser. It's smaller than a Steamrunner.

Actually, the Steamrunner and the New Orleans are close in size to the Cheyenne and the Intrepid.

I wouldn't mind seeing the New Orleans, the Challenger, and the Yeager. For the KDF, I wouldn't mind seeing the Qang class battleship, Karas class strike/light cruiser, and the Vakk class heavy cruiser, (they are from the Gorkon novel series).

rrincy

smokeybacon90 wrote: »

I would rather see any new canon ships entering the game as skin variants for existing ones. The shipyard is getting rather crowded now.

dont think thats likely to happen

tinkerstorm

The more TNG ships I see, the more I like the Constitution.

virusdancer

smokeybacon90 wrote: »

I would rather see any new canon ships entering the game as skin variants for existing ones. The shipyard is getting rather crowded now.

Some of the missing ships would be little more than kitbash options, no doubt. Others though, well - they're just too different.

Even there, though - it also gets into the possibility of additional "Mirror"-like ships - different kitbashes for the same BOFF layouts.

Heck, look at the new Kamarag. It's a kitbash of the K't'inga, Vor'cha, and Vor'Kang.

The shipyard is definitely going to get more crowded...and that's not even taking into account non-shipyard ships. There's going to be more and more ships...it's going to get more and more crowded.

virusdancer

tinkerstorm wrote: »

The more TNG ships I see, the more I like the Constitution.

To each their own...

...but I agree with you.

flash525

sekritagent wrote: »

First up, the New Orleans class from Wolf 359 in The Best of Both Worlds.

I remember reading somewhere ages ago that there were plans (long-term) to release all of the Wolf 359 ships, the Freedom, Niagara, Challenger and your precious New Orleans.

sekritagent wrote: »

Not sure about the Norway class from First Contact.

To be honest, I think they missed out when they released the Steamrunner. From comparison charts, the Steamrunner and Norway are practically the same size. If they designed a third ship to merge with these two, they could have released another class of ship with three-way customization.

Either way, I'd like to see the Norway (just because it's a 24th Century design) though I'd hope they scale it better than they have the Steamrunner. Last I saw one, it was far too big.

coldblaze

I, too, have been waiting for the New Orleans class. Here is a link with a good bit of information gleaned from multiple sources.

http://www.ditl.org/pagship.php?ClassID=fedneworleans&ListID=Ships&ListOption=fed

captaintrueheart

tinkerstorm wrote: »

The more TNG ships I see, the more I like the Constitution.

agreed...

knuhteb5

coldblaze wrote: »

I, too, have been waiting for the New Orleans class. Here is a link with a good bit of information gleaned from multiple sources.

http://www.ditl.org/pagship.php?ClassID=fedneworleans&ListID=Ships&ListOption=fed

Comparing the Galaxy and the New Orleans using only stats from ditl.org, the new orleans should be 4 times maneuverable as a galaxy class in combat. However realistically, it would only be 2 to three times as much in STO for purposes of maintaining KDF, Fed PVP balance. I'd say give it a turn-rate between 10 and 14 and make it a destroyer class like the Chel Grett.

Aside from the Ambassador, I've also been asking for the New Orleans since about 2011. It has a much sleeker overall look because it's nacelles are much less bulkier than the Enterprise D's.

sekritagent

Oh, I didn't consider Destroyer, that'd be cool. Multi-Mission Destroyer maybe?

Whatever they decide to call the New Orleans, I think cannons are a must with those little weapon pods on it. Sensor Analysis and Cruiser power boosts on top of it would be icing on my personal cake.

LOL, I barely play this game anymore, I just want to see this ship made.

misterde3

coldblaze wrote: »

I, too, have been waiting for the New Orleans class. Here is a link with a good bit of information gleaned from multiple sources.

http://www.ditl.org/pagship.php?ClassID=fedneworleans&ListID=Ships&ListOption=fed

The only "source" for most of this BS is the author's own mind.

Colour Key on DITL.ORG wrote:

White Text : Anything in white is my own invention. Sometimes this is just extrapolation - I guesstimated that the Nebula class has eight phaser arrays compared to the Galaxy classes twelve, for example, because the Nebula class is slightly smaller so probably slightly less powerful. But here and there I have gone into invention meltdown, inventing entire histories for ships about which we know little. Now and again I have even made up new backgrounds to known events just to make them sound a bit more dramatic. So be warned, if it's in white you can take it or leave it!

maxwilson

What are the chances we can get a 2012 Ships of the Line design Ambassador variant? I love the way this baby looks!

http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/uss_ambassador_08.jpg

sekritagent

There's other threads for that uggo Ambassador variant, join one of those.

As for the New Orleans I am wondering if we'll see it before May. Might be fun to introduce around Mardi Gras, lol. JamJamz are you listening?

chrizla

Those pods are actually rapid-fire torpedo launchers, from what I've read. Built at a time when full integration was too costly, so they just "bolted them on", as it were.

lancemeszaros

The Norway is already sort-of in the game as the Oslo variant of the Heavy Escort, but the model looks goofy. If they were to just make the Akira variant exclusive to the Escort Carrier, they could replace it with a true Norway class variant model.

sekritagent

Maybe it could be another ship that can use the Akira multi-torpedo console then. Short of that, a Lt Cmdr Tac slot would be enough. I do see this ship as predating the Akira in its role.

And yes, before the Steamrunner the Zephyr was in-game, so there's precedent for taking ships from that tier and redoing them as something else. Maybe the Norway could be the "Flat iron Escort" :P