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icegavelicegavel Member Posts: 991 Arc User
Thanks to the most recent Lock box, we now have a plethora of Dominion ships to fly around and pew pew with. So, I think it's time we do something with them. Something fun. Something unique. Something cross-faction. Of course, what with a bounty of Dominion ships this can only mean one thing. The topic of this discussion:

A Dominion War Re-enactment.

WHAT: A series of 10v10 PvP matches with cross-faction teaming. Those using Dominion ships (or the Galor) go toe-to-toe with other players flying War-era ships for glory, conquest, and luls.

WHERE: Participating players would meet in orbit of Bajor and separate into two groups: Dominion and Alliance (Fed/KDF ships). 10 from each group would then be invited at random and face off. The map would probably be Solar Wind (beaten-up starbase).

HOW: Because this is a re-enactment, there ARE a few special rules. They would be as follows:
1: Energy-type and torpedoes are FACTION ACCURATE. Galors must use Spiral Wave Disruptors and Photon Torpedoes, Jem'Hadar ships must use Phased Polaron (regular Polaron is acceptable,as is Dominion Polaron) weapons and Quantum Torpedoes, Federation must use Phasers and Photon Torpedoes (Sovereigns and Defiants are allowed one forward Quantum Torpedo), and KDF must use Disruptors and Photon Torpedoes. Equipment sets are fine, but keep visuals off (unless you're in a Jem'Hadar ship with the Jem'Hadar set).
2: Alliance vessels must be PERIOD ACCURATE. This means that, at least on the outside, they MUST be a class that was in service during the war. The following ships are eligible (if class name specified, must use skin OF that class, as well as canon hull colors, unless specified, regardless of Fleet/Non-Fleet status - Mirror ships are acceptable):
  • B'rel Retrofit Bird-of-Prey
  • Vor'Cha
  • Negh'Var
  • Somraw OR Qin Raptor (A bit of a stretch canon-wise, but they were probably in service, and I felt the KDF needed an extra ship class.
  • K'Tinga/D7
  • Kamarag (since I allowed the Ambassador and there are too few KDF ships)
  • Galaxy class (no Dreadnoughts)
  • Nebula class
  • Excelsior class
  • Defiant class
  • Sovereign class
  • Armitage class (Must use AKIRA class skin and carry Peregrine Fighters if using hangar)
  • Akira class
  • Intrepid class (no Ablative Armor, as the Federation didn't have that in the war)
  • Steamrunner class
  • Saber class
  • Miranda class
  • Prometheus class
  • Ambassador class
The following ships and items are EXCLUDED from this event (and why):
  • Breen Chel Grett Warship (The Breen didn't enter the war until after the Romulans did. As there are no player-flyable Romulan ships, there can be no Breen)
  • Romulan/Reman Reinforcement powers (No playable Romulan ships means we re-enact the pre-Romulan war)

While this is a rule-heavy proposal, it's still designed to be fun. After all, who doesn't love DS9, at least a little?
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    pwebranflakespwebranflakes Member Posts: 7,741
    edited January 2013
    This would be fun! Thanks for the suggestion :) I'll see what we can come up with in the not too distant future.

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=
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    icegavelicegavel Member Posts: 991 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    This would be fun! Thanks for the suggestion :) I'll see what we can come up with in the not too distant future.

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=

    Awesome! I've gotta roll Fed-side, I have no Dom ships. BUT, one of my characters (in his backstory) IS a Dominion War veteran, so this will be FUN!
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    sekritagentsekritagent Member Posts: 510 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    A fun concept but you bogged it down with way too many rules and details, this would never happen in STO. Who the hell wants to have to join a queue and then have their whole loadout dictated to them on top of it?

    Also the fact that there's like 5 KDF hulls and like 20 Starfleet hulls is a no-go. You're sort of better off just playing the end of Boldly They Rode or replaying something in the Cardassian chain for Feds.

    That said, the idea of a scenario-based event is very interesting. Pull back on the rules and you might have something.
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    johrmantieganjohrmantiegan Member Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Great idea! Would love to join in. Got the Jem 'bug to use. >:-)
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    loverofwarsloverofwars Member Posts: 399 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    that would be awesome but i dont got any of them ships:P i could come in mirror Vor'Cha?/battle cruiser
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    jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    The restrictions on hulls are way too strict, and weapon types are a little too strict. I've got Polaron cannons on my Bug, I'm sure as hell not grinding Phased just to fit your rules. >:|

    A much more relaxed version in the same vein would make a much better public event. The version you posted sounds more like an event an organized fleet would host.


    Anyway, I have an idea for an event too and I am just shameless enough to hijack this thread with it.

    Carrier "Duel"

    Two sides. One with an Atrox. The other with a KDF full carrier of choice. Everyone else on both sides in fighters/shuttles of some kind (preferably avoiding the slightly too good Flyer and kinda silly big Yacht, but honestly it doesn't make much difference.). Also preferably the KDF carrier would only have one frigate bay, but again, no big deal.

    If you want to expand it a little, allow both sides one Flight Deck ship, too.

    The only other special rules would be no Defense Turrets and no Spread. FAW is okay since it isn't strong enough on its lonesome to wtfpwn fighters, all other AOE effects are kosher.

    If you really want to go the extra mile get one of those STO radio stations to spam Flight of the Valkyries and Aces High the whole time.
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    csgtmyorkcsgtmyork Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    This looks like fun.

    Also, what about the Ambassador class? They were in the Dominion War as well.

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Exeter_%28NCC-26531%29


    Also, just to prevent people from having fits, I'd change the rules to allow the Dominion ships to have EITHER Phased Polaron OR Polaron.
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    waveofthefuturewaveofthefuture Member Posts: 97 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Could this also be a time event? So that its the start, then middle, then end of the dominion wars? Kind of like a play along mission tree, where you are the commander, and it has other players, but also famous NPC's in there with it? I mean, who doesn't want to see Sisko charging in with the defiant, or the massive space battle at cardassia prime?

    This is what I would play STO for. I think that CBS and Cryptic need to have a talk...
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    jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    We shall need one-third of the Feddies to be in Miranda ships. Their only weapon choice is self-destruct. Three cheers for Team Cannonfodder!
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    icegavelicegavel Member Posts: 991 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    A fun concept but you bogged it down with way too many rules and details, this would never happen in STO. Who the hell wants to have to join a queue and then have their whole loadout dictated to them on top of it?

    Also the fact that there's like 5 KDF hulls and like 20 Starfleet hulls is a no-go. You're sort of better off just playing the end of Boldly They Rode or replaying something in the Cardassian chain for Feds.

    That said, the idea of a scenario-based event is very interesting. Pull back on the rules and you might have something.
    The lack of KDF variants isn't my fault entirely. Basically, I said "Fly a Canon Ship." Klingons don't have very many of them. Blame CBS. If we DID have a Romulan faction, they'd be restricted to D'Deridexes for the same reason. Remember, this is a re-enactment of a canon battle. You don't see people in American Civil War re-enactments with M-16s.
    that would be awesome but i dont got any of them ships:P i could come in mirror Vor'Cha?/battle cruiser

    As long as it looks like a Vor'cha, sure. You can pass the mirror paintjob as personal touches.
    jexsamx wrote: »
    The restrictions on hulls are way too strict, and weapon types are a little too strict. I've got Polaron cannons on my Bug, I'm sure as hell not grinding Phased just to fit your rules. >:|
    I suppose regular Polaron is acceptable, too. Unless Phased Polaron has a different animation, which I haven't heard of yet.
    csgtmyork wrote: »
    This looks like fun.

    Also, what about the Ambassador class? They were in the Dominion War as well.

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Exeter_%28NCC-26531%29

    I suppose they probably were. Ambassadors, too.
    csgtmyork wrote: »
    Also, just to prevent people from having fits, I'd change the rules to allow the Dominion ships to have EITHER Phased Polaron OR Polaron.

    Fits have already been had, see above.
    jslyn wrote: »
    We shall need one-third of the Feddies to be in Miranda ships. Their only weapon choice is self-destruct. Three cheers for Team Cannonfodder!

    And TWO of them are required to be named USS Sitak and USS Majestic!

    OP updated with good ideas.
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    neos472neos472 Member Posts: 580 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    you can count on me and my Defiant coming into battle for this =) ill have her primed and ready for combat and it will give me an excuse to be away from my Mobius =)
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    centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I can't use my favorite ship? Awwwwww......... :(
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    icegavelicegavel Member Posts: 991 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I can't use my favorite ship? Awwwwww......... :(

    Neither can I, really. I'll have to respec at least ONE of my characters into a canon ship for this fight. Might grab a Galaxy-R or a Defiant. KDF side... My Tac runs the B'rel, so I'm K.
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    tsurutafan01tsurutafan01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Needs a rule where three quarters of the way into the fight at least half the Dominion fleet is forced to disconnect and leave so the correct people can win.

    Worked for the wormhole aliens.

    But seriously, that Dreadnaught is really hard to kill without teaming up on the darn thing. 10 v 10 would be a massacre.


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    icegavelicegavel Member Posts: 991 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    But seriously, that Dreadnaught is really hard to kill without teaming up on the darn thing. 10 v 10 would be a massacre.

    The Dominion War was a massacre, until the Battle of Bajor. 112 vessels in the Seventh Fleet launched a "surprise" attack on the Dominion-held Tyra system.

    14 made it back to Alliance lines. The Alliance was getting its TRIBBLE handed to it. Go watch the early Season 6 episodes of DS9, you'll see what I mean.
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    tsurutafan01tsurutafan01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I'd rather not as by then Ira Steven Behr had started using the Klingons as his personal racial writing stereotype, undoing years of really good work across TNG to portray the Klingons as something other than drunken lunatics.

    Other than that, I loved DS9.


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    icegavelicegavel Member Posts: 991 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I'd rather not as by then Ira Steven Behr had started using the Klingons as his personal racial writing stereotype, undoing years of really good work across TNG to portray the Klingons as something other than drunken lunatics.

    Other than that, I loved DS9.

    Actually, DS9 did more Klingon fleshing-out than TNG did. Klingon weddings, rites, honorable combat, ship traditions, how Houses worked. I actually came away from DS9 liking Klingons a lot more.

    Still, most of the episodes really BIG into the war (i.e., A Time to Stand) had very little to do with the Klingons. It focuses more on the crew of the Defiant, Sisko's Desk Job, and the goings-on at Terok Nor.
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    psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I don't see why we can't use Romulan reinforcements - we may not have playable ships, but we shouldn't exclude the NPCs just for that reason.

    This looks like fun; I'll keep an eye on it.
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    jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I don't see why we can't use Romulan reinforcements - we may not have playable ships, but we shouldn't exclude the NPCs just for that reason.



    The point was to keep it in line with the actual battle. There were no Romulans there.
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    icegavelicegavel Member Posts: 991 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I don't see why we can't use Romulan reinforcements - we may not have playable ships, but we shouldn't exclude the NPCs just for that reason.

    This looks like fun; I'll keep an eye on it.

    First, as a common sense thing. What's to stop the Dominion players from using them? The Romulans went to war with the Dominion later. Before that, they were neutral. Making it Alliance-only gave the Alliance too much of an advantage (I've heard they were pretty OP as is).
    Second, there's no guarantee of spawning a D'Deridex, and that's the only class of Romulan ship seen participating in the war. And this is supposed to be era-specific. As far as this re-enactment goes, this is pre-Romulan entrance.
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    mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    icegavel wrote: »
    Second, there's no guarantee of spawning a D'Deridex, and that's the only class of Romulan ship seen participating in the war. And this is supposed to be era-specific. As far as this re-enactment goes, this is pre-Romulan entrance.
    I'm pretty sure that the Romulan reinforcements allow you to call in whichever ship you choose, depending on which reinforcement device you have. T5 Romulan Rep lets you get D'deridex reinforcements...

    If I had a phaser set for my Assault Cruiser, I'd consider joining in... even grab an appropriate outfit for the occasion.
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    icegavelicegavel Member Posts: 991 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I'm pretty sure that the Romulan reinforcements allow you to call in whichever ship you choose, depending on which reinforcement device you have. T5 Romulan Rep lets you get D'deridex reinforcements...

    If I had a phaser set for my Assault Cruiser, I'd consider joining in... even grab an appropriate outfit for the occasion.

    True enough, but there's still the balance issue and the timeline. Also, I just dumped about 3 mil EC speccing an escort for when this happens, Phasers and all. It might not happen for a while, you have time to prepare.
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    scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Actually, I don't know if you knew of it, but there was one such event organised in the PvP subforum fairly recently:

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=514701

    It took place on January 20th, and by all accounts, it was a blast, so it's nice to see another one being organised. Of course, we didn't have the Dominion lockbox yet, though.

    If you have any troubles, you could look in that direction as a baseline.
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    icegavelicegavel Member Posts: 991 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    scurry5 wrote: »
    Actually, I don't know if you knew of it, but there was one such event organised in the PvP subforum fairly recently:

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=514701

    It took place on January 20th, and by all accounts, it was a blast, so it's nice to see another one being organised. Of course, we didn't have the Dominion lockbox yet, though.

    If you have any troubles, you could look in that direction as a baseline.

    You know what they say about great minds...
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    diogene0diogene0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    No use of "fleet support" too if you don't want romulan reinforcements.

    It means i'll have to buy my last phaser-disruptor beam for my galor, and a photon torp too. At least, as long as there is no console/set restrictions i'm fine with that. I can't imagine serious pvp without my beloved consoles! :D

    What about the cutting beams?
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    icegavelicegavel Member Posts: 991 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    diogene0 wrote: »
    No use of "fleet support" too if you don't want romulan reinforcements.

    It means i'll have to buy my last phaser-disruptor beam for my galor, and a photon torp too. At least, as long as there is no console/set restrictions i'm fine with that. I can't imagine serious pvp without my beloved consoles! :D

    What about the cutting beams?

    Gotta say no to cutting beams - neither faction had that tech in the war. Any sets are fine, so long as the visual FX are off (excluding Jem'Hadar ships with the Jem'Hadar set equipped).
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