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kangsinkangsin Member Posts: 64 Arc User
i love my gorn the only true reptilian / dragon race in sto i am surprised they do not have tails like the caitians fereasians in short what do think should gorns have a tail ?


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  • burstorionburstorion Member Posts: 1,750 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Aww...you tails have gorn? thats a pity :p

    (Sorry..had to..)
  • eulifdaviseulifdavis Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Canonically, they do not have tails.
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  • philosopherephilosophere Member Posts: 607 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Gorn with the Wind.....


    Sorry :(, thought we were in zone chat.

    Carry on....
    Are we there yet?
  • kangsinkangsin Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    well they should they are a beast race
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    kangsin wrote: »
    well they should they are a beast race

    What kind of a logic is that?
    Do you consider everything that's not evolved from monkeys a beast?
  • crimpson7crimpson7 Member Posts: 76 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Or we could have the option of creating Liberated Borg Gorn (oh yeah we would have the kick-TRIBBLE appearance of those thingies!!!!)
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  • oxironheartoxironheart Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    tails are the least of your worries lol i would love to see a female gorn. and more features in character creation. in reptile species many times males are brightly colored and actualy smaller than females. here they dont provide females and gorn are actualy quite bland in their characteristics.perfect example is komodo dragons the females are larger and males are brighter colored. this is to attract females and females are larger so to deffend nests. same is true for crocks and gators.

    i would love to see more females in the empire then just klingon and orion.
  • burstorionburstorion Member Posts: 1,750 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Err..sorry to bust your bubble, but I'm pretty sure canonically all gorn are hermaphrodites...
  • elandarkskyelandarksky Member Posts: 1,013 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    burstorion wrote: »
    Err..sorry to bust your bubble, but I'm pretty sure canonically all gorn are hermaphrodites...

    Then let me put lipstick on my gorn dammit! D:
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  • aethon3050aethon3050 Member Posts: 599 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Gorn with the Wind.....


    Sorry :(, thought we were in zone chat.

    Carry on....

    gornwind_zpsdeda735b.jpg
  • aethon3050aethon3050 Member Posts: 599 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    burstorion wrote: »
    Err..sorry to bust your bubble, but I'm pretty sure canonically all gorn are hermaphrodites...

    lol No, they're not. They have males and females, with the females being the larger, stronger and more aggressive of the two (most of the Gorn marines tend to be female for this reason). Other than that, there's not much visual difference between the two.
  • philosopherephilosophere Member Posts: 607 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    aethon3050 wrote: »
    gornwind_zpsdeda735b.jpg

    LOL... tks! :)

    Now sshhh.... they are having a serious conversation about Gorn tail.
    Are we there yet?
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    aethon3050 wrote: »
    lol No, they're not. They have males and females, with the females being the larger, stronger and more aggressive of the two (most of the Gorn marines tend to be female for this reason). Other than that, there's not much visual difference between the two.

    I read that on Mem Beta too, but they don't even give a source where this is supposed to come from.:confused:

    *EDIT: I found practically the same piece of text here as well

    http://ghdar.tripod.com/anatomy.htm

    but the question now becomes who copied it from whom?*
  • burstorionburstorion Member Posts: 1,750 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Good lord..Tripods still going? I though that had died off years ago...
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    I read that on Mem Beta too, but they don't even give a source where this is supposed to come from.:confused:

    *EDIT: I found practically the same piece of text here as well

    http://ghdar.tripod.com/anatomy.htm

    but the question now becomes who copied it from whom?*
    I think that came from either FASA or one of the Taldren PC games. Gorn have never been seen on screen with tails. So they don't have tails... http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Gorn
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I think that came from either FASA or one of the Taldren PC games. Gorn have never been seen on screen with tails. So they don't have tails... http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Gorn

    Well, I checked the SFC1 manual and it's not to be found there, so it's either FASA (meaning it's irrelevant) or some fan was particularly creative and invented the whole nonsense.
  • aethon3050aethon3050 Member Posts: 599 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    It comes from various novels.
  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    My first thought was 'yeah, they have tails!' then I remembered I was thinking of Sleestak and their tail stubs! :D
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  • xigbargxigbarg Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    5$ says the one of the first batch of Gorns sold will tails will be named Yoshi.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    aethon3050 wrote: »
    It comes from various novels.

    Then why is no novel no novel listed as a reference, only the FASA "Demand of Honor" RPG moule?
    (Which is even less than soft-canon thses days, it's even contrary to canon.)

    Since you seem to know more, name a novel where it's mentioned please.
  • aethon3050aethon3050 Member Posts: 599 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Then why is no novel no novel listed as a reference, only the FASA "Demand of Honor" RPG moule?
    (Which is even less than soft-canon thses days, it's even contrary to canon.)

    Since you seem to know more, name a novel where it's mentioned please.

    Re-read the Memory Beta article, and look at the references at the end of each paragraph; some mention episodes, some mention novels, some mention comics, etc.

    You have to understand that, with a race like the Gorn that hardly gets any film time due to budgetary constraints, their profile has to be made up along the way in various formats like video games, comics, novels, etc. When you put all those together, you come up with a pretty good background on the Gorn. The same goes for the Tholians.

    As far as novels, I remember them playing a significant part in one of the Typhon Pact novels...I think it was the second or third in the series.

    Anyway...my point being, there *is* some contradictory information about the Gorn here and there, but if you consider the fact that every single novel/game/comic that mentions them, agrees with what I've said, I think it's safe to use that as a piece of solid information.

    Look at the sources, sort out any conflicting information, and you can pretty much count on the 100% concurrent information being accurate.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    aethon3050 wrote: »
    Re-read the Memory Beta article, and look at the references at the end of each paragraph; some mention episodes, some mention novels, some mention comics, etc.

    You just told me the obvious, however the part about the females HAS NO SOURCE LISTED.
    aethon3050 wrote: »
    You have to understand that, with a race like the Gorn that hardly gets any film time due to budgetary constraints, their profile has to be made up along the way in various formats like video games, comics, novels, etc. When you put all those together, you come up with a pretty good background on the Gorn. The same goes for the Tholians.

    I know that.
    I also know the background material from the FASA RPG, Star Fleet Battles etc.
    And it's all not even soft-canon, it's non-canon.
    In case of Star Fleet Battles, the creators even put a specific note in their Prime Directive RPG, which begins with the sentence "This is not Star Trek".
    Because it's all set in the Star Fleet universe.
    aethon3050 wrote: »
    As far as novels, I remember them playing a significant part in one of the Typhon Pact novels...I think it was the second or third in the series.

    Anyway...my point being, there *is* some contradictory information about the Gorn here and there, but if you consider the fact that every single novel/game/comic that mentions them, agrees with what I've said, I think it's safe to use that as a piece of solid information.

    Except you can't even point at specific material that agrees with what you say.
    You just claim so and basically say "it's in there somewhere, just look hard enough".
    I was unable to dig up anything that supports your claim to date.
    So please, point me to the actual source.
    aethon3050 wrote: »
    Look at the sources, sort out any conflicting information, and you can pretty much count on the 100% concurrent information being accurate.

    Conflicting does not even begin to cover it.
    The FASA RPG states by the time of TMP, the Gorn and Romulans had never met each other but had heard about them from the Federation while Star Fleet Battles states the Gorn and Romulans hate each other and have fought numerous wars with each other.
    Same goes for the Tholians: in SFB they are extragalactic refugees that brought their own Dyson Sphere with them, in the Pocket Book novels they are indignous to their space.

    When you weed out the material that is conflicting, you end up with precisely nothing.
    I can't even find any evidence the Gorn have anything called "marines".
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  • aethon3050aethon3050 Member Posts: 599 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    blah blah blah

    Believe what you want to believe. *shrugs* If you want to split hairs and get technical over it, the only thing technically canon about Gorn is that they're reptilian, and can be killed with bamboo bazookas by captains with torn shirts. And that one of them named Slar worked for the Tholians as a slave-driver in the mirror universe.

    There are times when it makes sense to take the available sources at their word, when they're the only sources available. For example, if one of them said, "Gorn are also capable of natural warp travel, as they are hatched with a built-in warp core, and their legs double as nacelles", it'd be something to question. The stuff in the books, games, and comics makes perfect sense, IMHO...so why sweat 'canon'?

    After all, Star Trek Online isn't canon at all...and neither are half the ships in it.

    But, getting back to the original point, if you read the book I mentioned, one of them refers to his made as 'she'. If they were hermaphrodites (which isn't mentioned anywhere), they probably wouldn't put much, if any, emphasis on gender.
  • lincolninspacelincolninspace Member Posts: 1,843 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    If they were all hermaphrodites then why is there so much gornography?
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