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Klingons getting some more attention?
bertiewooster
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I've just been noticing that there seems to be an increase of Klingon stuff lately. Dstahl's been hinting at stuff in the ask cryptic's, a new ship class is shown off in the screenshots, the guramba is featured, and the temporal lock box banner on the launcher features the korath temporal ship. Much more Klingon related content in a relatively short span of time than I've ever seen before in the year I've been playing this game. Coincidence? maybe...or maybe cryptic is trying to give Klingons more attention. I hope this is the case, because I'm starting to really like my KDF captain (for the first time) and I'd love to see more goodies for that faction.
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A new design, even if it's just a kitbash of familar canon KDF ships... certainly looks and sounds like proof that they're working on a KDF element. That's certainly a rare step-up from what we usually get
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Seeing that the ship is only a kitbash of a K'Tinga and a Vor'Cha shows how idealess and non creative Cryptic is when it comes to KDF. So I expect medicore to low quality improvements to the KDF if even any in Season 8.
But seriously, they're giving us a kitbash of two canon KDF ships, as a counterpart to the Ambassador (something which hasn't been seen before)... it may not be completely original, but it's still something. Plus I'm glad we're getting something at all, regardless of the reason... something I'd like to rub off on more people on these forums.
And frankly, I'd rather wait and see than develop expectations; those only curb anything good we'll feel, and enhance anything bad... which is counterproductive imo -_-
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I personally feel this is long, long over due.
I am hopeful for the future, but still leery from the past. However, I am willing to take the blue pill. Especially considering some of the good things they have done on the Fed side.
If the Ambassador is a mix between a Galaxy and Excelsior, then surely the new ship coming would be a cross between the Vor'Cha and a D-7. I think it fits perfectly and should be comparable in features and layout, but with a KDF twist we have come to expect.
Largely this, though not completely. We knew the KDF was getting an "Ambassador" equivalent in the 3rd anniversary. This isn't anything new and is more Agnostic then it is a step in the right direction as far as the KDF is concerned.
Still I will give Cryptic its due. Unlike, the above user, I think some though was given in the design. The Kamarag is a transitional ship from the D-7 (K't'inga) to the Vor'cha. It shows this, but then the same can be said for the Ambassador and the Excelsior and Galaxy classes.
Still, before I sing the praises of Cryptic, I am going to need more. I said it in another thread, but I am on a "Pics or it didn't (or isn't going to, I guess) happen". If Cryptic wants to show they are finally going to give the KDF the love and attention it is long over due, they need to show us and actively deliver evidence that it IS going to happen. Not more promises and "We are dedicated to making it happen".
Granted its not a level One starting point, Story content that draws the KDF fan or general player into how the KDF fits into the STO backstory, more costume options or even Fleet versions of our more popular ships that we could only buy for a single module but its something they did not have to do for us fans. Its not like our large outcries have ever been that effective in the past but Im unwilling to condemn the Devs just yet.
Now if the day arrives and the vessel is obviuosly just a token effort, then they reap what they sow. Until then I will hold my praise or damnation in check.
Its better to let the feds be the ungrateful players as we know they can be when something doesnt meet thier desires.
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Indeed. It's not like CS has a lot to go on, when it comes to KDF ship design.
I for one find it a very attractive, if it handles anything like the K'tinga (turn rate) and also has the weapons prowess of the Vor'cha (moar aft weapons) it will most certainly be a force to be reckoned with, as well as go in my shopping cart.
I'm definitely interested in learning more about the specs and when it might be made available, definitely interested in seeing what else is in store for the KDF.
That's one small step for a Klingon, one giant leap for the Empire.
Qapla'
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Dstahl does one thing consistently: Disappoint.
Dont get your hopes up on any KDF content or stuff. As they say, believe it when you see it. Its been more than 2 years and we haven't seen anything yet..but heard plenty of promises.
Still, I think it's good that I'm not an 'expectations' sort of guy
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I dunno, pessimist just has a negative connotation to it. And, a lot of negativity here, so you might not be that far off the mark.
I've had my fair share of negativity, and being pessimistic. Nowadays, I'm 'skeptical' but look at the situation 'realistically.'
At LEAST they're talking about the KDF, putting it out there. It's like any product, if your customers can't see it, they don't know it's there, they can't buy it.
Notice how there's ALWAYS the KDF content question in the Ask Cryptic's? It's part 'there's always a consistent interest in the KDF' and also part something else. These guys don't have to answer that same question over and over, every month, but they do anyways. Kind of like, stoking the fires a bit so the coals don't die out.
Be realistic in your expectations, but don't set yourself up for disappointment, and certainly don't let that fire die out.
R.I.P
Now at the start of things I can understand the Klingon faction being skimpy. The game was rushed out with the KDF uncompleted but after that it has been a deliberate choice not to finish it. Over the years we have heard one reason after another as to why the KDF can't be completed. What really made this hard to swallow was watching costumes, ships, and whatever else being created for the blue side, money/time that could've been spent finishing the KDF faction. Now I know I'm going to hear this from someone posting here and that is "Its a Business Model". The whole reasoning behind "Its a Business Model" is that since there are more players on the Fed side then that's where the money is so they get more content made for them.
Nothing irks me more than the "Business Model" excuse. Let me set the record straight, a "Business Model" it maybe but it was rigged from the beginning so its not a fair representation of said "Business Model". I'm not sure where this phrase originated but folks like to parrot it, especially on the blue side. Those that like to parrot this phrase don't get the whole circular reasoning behind the "Its a Business Model" excuse, so let me try and explain it so everyone can understand. -
Say I owned an orchard and on this orchard I planted 25 red delicious apple trees and 5 johnson apple trees. Now since I planted 20 more red delicious trees than johnson trees then the red delicious are going to be producing far more apples and are going to need more fertilizer, insceticide, etc. than the johnson apple trees. But if I would've planted an equal number of each type of tree I would've had about an equal number of harvest from each, or if I would've continued to plant johnson trees until I got to an equal number of red delicious i would've had an equal harvest from both types.
So you see by not investing into the KDF they have made it as a faction where there will be fewer players. This is where the whole circular reasoning comes in, by not developing the KDF Cryptic has made it what it is and at the same time they use the low player base as an excuse not to invest time/money into it. This kind of thinking is like a dog chasing his tail, it gets you no where. But I think that's what its purpose was to start with, keeping us chasing our tails so we won't complain and there are those who are gullible enough to fall for it. I mean all you have to do is switch the condition of the factions, does anyone actually believe if that was done that the Feds would be in any better shape than what the KDF is now?
Who is to blame? I don't know so I'm not going to be pointing any fingers. All I know is it's a messed up situation and the situation needs rectified. When I 1st heard STO was going to have a Klingon faction I decided then that the KDF was going to be the faction I joined. Unfortunately I had to wait to lvl a Fed character to 6 before I could make a KDF toon. As soon as I hit lvl 6 with my Fed I jumped on and made a Klingon and although I have a couple Fed toons I rarely play them. I associate my STO experience with the KDF side so basically I'm paying for half a faction. And if you're are paying for something you aren't recieving you have a right to complain.
It just is what it is, unfortunate as it may be. Blame is not the game to play at this point.
The good news is, at one point the staff just wasn't big enough to support a dual-faction STO (before F2P) but that's probably not the case anymore. Several devs have gone on record stating that the size of the staff has nearly doubled since F2P. And if you look at the scale of the updates before & after F2P, they're bigger now. The Gateway, the Fleet system- these couldn't have happened under the previous business model. Neither could restoring the KDF lower-levels.
But, 20-levels of storyline content... that's a pretty big gap to fill. It will take time. But if there was ever a time the studio could handle such a workload, it's now. It's only a matter of time.'Til then, we wait, we grind rep, etc. Sucks, but at least we got something to do, even if it is basically what the Feds have too.
Kitbash or not at least it's something new. I'd expect something from the same era as the ambassador and they didn't disappoint. About the only thing they could do to kill my enthusiasm to their gorgeous new creation is give it a cruiser configuration. Give it 3 like the bortas, or give me the skin to put on my breen hybrid.
This is a Victory for the empire.
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To be fair, the Ambassador is basically a kitbash of the Excelsior and Galaxy classes.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
Welcome to the last 3 years of the KDF. This is what the KDF has been saying from the begining. It is also one of the reasons I have been adamant against any 3rd faction that wasn't a full faction from the start.
I am not going to criticize why Cryptic did what they did from the start. I am sure they had their reasons, and I am sure they considered everything from the start before they made the decision. But the reality was the KDF was not in the same place as the FED, and yes the result is, in a small company like cryptic, that means you have to prioritize what you do or don't do with the limited resources you have. Which yes, is a self-fulfilling prophesy. Where the numbers aren't there to support content, because the content isn't there to support the numbers.
My Point, And understand this is purely speculation on my part, I don't work and have never worked for Cryptic so I have no idea on what was or was not discussed or what decisions were or were not made, is that when you have limited resources (keep in mind the double staff figures are the 50+ members, meaning when STO started they most likely had a meager 25 dev, across all departments) You have to figure out how to best use those resources.
It would be nice to cater to every group, but if you have 10 costumers, and 8 want one product and 2 want another, and you can only reasonable make one, are you going to make the product for the 2 or the 8 and hope that with the extra money you can get to the 2.
I am not saying it is an ideal situation, far from it, but I do understand prioritizing what makes the most money vs what doesn't. You can argue they whys and hows all you want, but the reality is there are far fewer KDF players then there are FED players. Do I believe the lack of attention has anything to do with that? I said as much my last post.
Again, what ever the reasons, KDF doesn't make as much money as the FEDs at this point. The result is, when you have a limited number of resources, you do what is best for the company, and any company that is going to be making as much money as you can, as effectively as you can. Currently, that resides in the FED. Do I believe a full KDF faction could change that, Yes I do. Again, I have said as much and used it as a reason to want only full factions from here on out.
It is my sincerest hope that with the increase in resources Cryptic now has, they can begin to work on the KDF and build it up, but I am not going to blame or reharp on them for past mistakes, It helps no one and isn't going to get things any better.
Cryptic has said Season 8 will hold big things for the KDF, and that players/fans "Will be happy". As I have said, I am on a "Pics or it didn't happen" stance. If I see it, I will believe it and give Cryptic their due. If I don't, it isn't like it is anything new, so why stress or whine about it.
If they do, then great. If not, it comes later. Either way, not quite a big deal, in most cases. Shame many others interpret them as actual promises... thus unnecessary disappointment comes later.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
That is the history we KDF have had to endure in the past. Its time to set the past in its place and look to the future.
R.I.P