Breen torp boat feasible for estfs?

cptskeeteruk

Just wondering if a torp boat would be feasable on my breen ship using my kdf and the kdf space set mk xii.

Using transphasics and other breen weapons like cluster thing and rapid fire and maybe turrets in the back with a cutting beam. Would i be any good dps wise to be heavy hitter and do decent damage compared to 4dhc and turrets setup. Tho i probably expect too much from a torp boat but with the kdf buff to torps, a few projectile doffs and a lt comm sci on a more or less heavy escort i thought maybe i could pull it off.

I want to make the build as best i could to avoid shields i.e the transphasics and maybe plasma burn turrets and a omega and romulan torp when i get around to unlocking em which could be awhile as im low in the rep system for my kdf.

Im really used to dealing massive damage in a short time with my usual builds but fancied a change and thought a torp hull hitter might be an idea on the breen ship.

Anyhow thoughts?

lasonio

It's possible, I mean a good stf team has both scaffers (Hull scaffers), strippers (Sheild stripping), and demolitions. Usually Demolitions (Splash damage) The the heavy lifting in the gate and tac fioghts I always enjoy seeing a high yeild tricobolt or plasama or both hurtling towards the enemy since my build is a hybrid of the scaffer and stripper styles I can't do any demolitions whatsoever.

But personally I think you should leave the transphasic's at home if you have players with DHC's stripping and punching holes for you you might as well bring your heavy artillery and wait your turn to take a well warranted and well needed crack at the enemies hull.

The rest of that just seems gimicy and may just have both players and yourself scratching your head and saying "Wah?"

The breen set is just a joke, a bad joke at that so it makes it worst. And no one in the world, no one, like the joke to be on them and I'm not sure why players insist on trying to make it happen, in the end you will just end up with yolk on your face and relegated to a back story of someones that starts with "Remember when we did that Estf and that one guy came in with..."

cptskeeteruk

Yeah i doubt id ever use the breen set, as i said this is for my kdf (wrong section i know) so the kdf set would be used for the 25% torp damage bonus etc.

szerontzur

The Chel Grett is an excellent torp boat/mine layer - absolutely loving it for the role.

I would highly suggest dropping transphasics and switching to Quantum or Plasma though. The former will really make you a structure-buster for KASE and CSE(bit of a double-edged sword on ISE). Plasma will give you a bit more useability versus medium-sized(spheres and raptors) ships that Quantums tend to struggle with.

My current prefered layout:

Fore:
2xDisruptor DCs (prefer the non-heavy version for keeping shield facings down and proc rate)
2xTorp Tubes(go with three tubes if you don't have torp doffs)
Aft:
1xDisruptor Turret (cutting beam if you have it/want to go the borg weapon set route)
1xTorp Tube(adds a lot of flexibility)
2xMine Layer(a single Dispersal Pattern Beta 3 will take off 15-20% of a gen, 50-70% of an elite cube and ravage small ship waves)


You might be a bit frustrated at times with pugging though. The average pugger isn't going to understand the strengths and weaknesses of a torp boat and will likely expect you to perform anti-ship duties that they are far better at. You can still do most of the STF anti-ship duties on your own, but it won't be anywhere near the performance a dedicated dual cannon ship can do in the role(and they won't hold a candle to what you can do against the structures and cubes).

pottsey5g

lasonio wrote: »

The breen set is just a joke, a bad joke at that so it makes it worst. And no one in the world, no one, like the joke to be on them and I'm not sure why players insist on trying to make it happen, in the end you will just end up with yolk on your face and relegated to a back story of someones that starts with "Remember when we did that Estf and that one guy came in with..."

I use the Breen set as it helps me get up to 48,000 none critical damage hits per traget out of my torpedoes. Best of all it is AoE damage so a single shot can do well over 100k. So why is Breen the set such a big joke?

lasonio

Not to call you a liar or anything; but there is no ay, NO WAY the BREEN ABSOLUTE ZERO set is posting those kind of numbers. It doesn't do anything other then give you 30.5 to transphasic torps which is like tossing hain of pepper into black sand and with the whole set you get the wonderful ability to lower the enemies power setting by 9.7 for 9 seconds which is so meager players and even npcs don't notice it enough to HE it.

It is the biggest joke of all time. It's worse then this, "A Rooster walks into a bar, the bartender says duck, the Rooster says I'm a rooster, the bartender says, no duck, the rooster yells I'm a rooster just before being cracked in the head with a bottle and the bartender says, no you're an idiot, i told you to duck two times and you still wouldn't listen."

See, just terrible...

But anyhow back to my point

Transphasic weapons have a 40% bonus to shield penetration power, nothing else, nothing major, if the sheilds are down yeah the do more damage but so does ever other torpedo. Now I will give it to you that it is well noted that in the latest patch THE BLEED THROUGH has increased to 80% for Transphasic Mines Except those launched by the Breen Transphasic Cluster Torpedo! So it's not the breen set getting those numbers and all it does is bleed through it does not actually raise its damage.

Now you may be getting those numbers on your own accord and contributing them to the Absolute Zero set which only works on transphasic weapons but it's only the mines that got the bonus and not the Cluster. If it did anything else it would be an interesting addition to rival honorguard as a torp platform set but because it does not then it's still blech.

pottsey5g

lasonio wrote: »

Not to call you a liar or anything; but there is no ay, NO WAY the BREEN ABSOLUTE ZERO set is posting those kind of numbers. It doesn't do anything other then give you 30.5 to transphasic torps

The Breen set gives me an extra 3000 damage per shot to cluster torpedoes. Add in Attack Pattern beta III and that extra damage becomes 4500 extra damage per shot. Hit 3 targets in the AoE and that?s an extra 13,500 damage per volley just from the Breen set. See screenshot http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/152/clusters.jpg/

3429.9 x10 = 34,299 damage per volley with a volley every 15seconds on my build. Attack pattern Beta III lowers hull resistance by 50% so that is 50% more damage so I hit for for around 51,448.5 none critical if shields are down. As for critical well I have not got time to work it out but it should be over 100k. Now if I hit and shields are up I am still doing 15k to 25k to hull per 15 seconds with cluster followed up by around 2.4k for the none cluster torps.

STF's you get a lot of no shielded targets or cubes with weak shields and massive hulls and lots of grouped targets. So you can pull off some decent DPS numbers.

I believe there is a 20% damage variance so sometimes you hit for 41,158.8 none critical and 61,738.2 with beta III.

EDIT: In short I find the Breen set with Transphasic setups perfectly feasible for Elite STF’s. It is very fun to hit groups of Borg with a clusters and KDF can always use other torp set.

intrinsical

*shrugs*

I can confirm seeing the 40k damage posted above, it forms the basis of my Hydra Chel Grett build. The cluster torpedo does at least 4000 damage per mine x 12 mines = 48,000 damage. And that's just the minimum damage from a single Breen Transphasic Cluster Torpedo + Breen Absolute Zero set.

And when the torpedo crits, every single mine does at least 10k damage each for 120k damage. And if you have the right doffs and/or abilities, you can push out a cluster torpedo every 15-20 seconds. Whoever says the Breen Absolute Zero set is weak, should have another look at it.

hereticknight085

Something to try:

Tetryon Dual Heavy Cannons + tetryon turrets + plasma congo line. 3 Proj Weapons Officers and tetryon proc. Need more be said. And you can throw in a cluster torp if you want.

geordiecraigsta

I pull this of extremly well with my breen ship.
I run 2 x breen cluster torps up front, coupled with the omega plasma and the romulan plasma torps, the on the rear ive got the cutting beam (my only energy weapon), with 2 x tric mines and another plasma torp.

It absolutly tears through the gates etc in stfs and always does top dps in pvp matches too.

Im running the original borg set atm, to get the most out of the cutting beam, vut the resilient shields and tge borg procs work wonders. A build not to be messed with.

lasonio

not to beat a dead horse but seriusly the cluster is not affected by the update, you are getting these high numbers because you have high stats and consoles, the brreen set does not attach itself to the cluster

I checked and double checked http://www.stowiki.org/Transphasic_Torpedo_Launcher

so is it possible that the thranphasic set is worth it with the new patch? yes but again it's not the set stating this.

Could I be wrong? It's possible, not all information we receive one day even after testing it extensively correlating to the next day since stats and abilities just seem to randomly change. Could it be a bug? Possibly, Could it be a mistype and misqoute on the item by cryptic? Good chance. Could the Wiki also be wrong? Possibly. In fact everything could be wrong.

But as far as I know it's simply your stats, plus your build that is outlaying it. Not this set.

Now if it makes you feel more comfortable to use it then that's what you should use but by going by it's facevalue, skills and stats it's not better then honorguard, borg, maco, omega, or aegis. Its a far far far far distant 6th

tlamstrike

I have a buddy in my fleet who runs a transphasic torp boat with his Armatage in both PVP and ESTFs. He uses all rapid reload torpedoes, cluster torpedoes and mines. The damage he puts out is fantastic.

You can do it for sure on the Breen ship (we were talking about doing just that during an ISE run last night).

pottsey5g

lasonio wrote: »

not to beat a dead horse but seriusly the cluster is not affected by the update, you are getting these high numbers because you have high stats and consoles, the brreen set does not attach itself to the cluster

I checked and double checked http://www.stowiki.org/Transphasic_Torpedo_Launcher

so is it possible that the thranphasic set is worth it with the new patch? yes but again it's not the set stating this.

Could I be wrong? It's possible, not all information we receive one day even after testing it extensively correlating to the next day since stats and abilities just seem to randomly change. Could it be a bug? Possibly, Could it be a mistype and misqoute on the item by cryptic? Good chance. Could the Wiki also be wrong? Possibly. In fact everything could be wrong.

But as far as I know it's simply your stats, plus your build that is outlaying it. Not this set.

Now if it makes you feel more comfortable to use it then that's what you should use but by going by it's facevalue, skills and stats it's not better then honorguard, borg, maco, omega, or aegis. Its a far far far far distant 6th

Breen boosts all Transphasic weapons that includes torpedoes, mines and cluster. That is just what it says on the set item and is also what we see in game. There has been no change in any recent patch's ( well not 100% true the tribble patch gives it an extra 2.5% damage boost).

A large amount of Stowiki is wrong and just to be safe I double checked in game losing 3k damage when I removed the Breen set then gained 3k when refitted it to Clusters. Mines and other Transphasic torpedo also got boosted. For PvE Breen is better then honorguard, borg, maco, omega, or aegis on a Transphasic torpedo boat. The set is anything but rubbish. Limted in use sure but when it works it works really well.