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Ambassador is gorgeous!! Will we get the Probert Variant?

captainwallis84captainwallis84 Member Posts: 169 Arc User
edited January 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Im loving what jamjamz has done with the Ambassador class. It looks glorious. Well done. I must admit though, I've always been a big fan of the original Andy Probert design. Im also hoping we get this as a variant.

Another thing I noticed was the hull material. It looks amazing. Will we get a unique hull material for the Ambassador too?
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  • denizenvidenizenvi Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I love Andy Probert's recent version! I have a wallpaper of it on my desktop. But I would imagine he still holds some of the rights to that particular variant, completed long after the show. Negotiating rights could be done, but it'd probably take forever like with the Vesta.


    But the good news is that much of the inspiration for his latest version might still fall under CBS control. Certainly the gold relief model on the Ent-D's ready room shows an Ambassador closer to Probert's variant than what we saw on the show. And it's possible that CBS could approve something based off of concept art Probert did for the show, which would end up looking very similar to what he came up with since then.


    I like to think that the original Ambassador prototype was built like the curvy original design, but something led them to change the design soon after. Otherwise, why would it still be seen on the Enterprise bridge? I suppose if we view the ships as a progression of the classes of Enterprises, instead of Enterprises itself, it's possible the C never looked like that, but maybe it had a big refit. Perhaps the radical warp contouring of the hull didn't help as much as it could have theoretically, and they shelved that shape until technology could make it work in the Galaxy class. Or maybe the Ambassador was just too hard to build, and they decided to make a simpler, ruggeder hull that could be produced enough to meet Starfleet's needs.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I do believe Probert owns the rights to the design since he painted the picture and don't think CBS owned the rights to it.

    But Probert never fleshed out the CGI, that was Tobias Richter, who was a fan of the Ambassador portrait.
  • captainbmoneycaptainbmoney Member Posts: 1,323 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Where is Jamjamz ambassador?
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    captainbmoney wrote: »
    Where is Jamjamz ambassador?

    Here is where you'll find it.
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    azurianstar wrote: »
    I do believe Probert owns the rights to the design since he painted the picture and don't think CBS owned the rights to it.

    But Probert never fleshed out the CGI, that was Tobias Richter, who was a fan of the Ambassador portrait.

    If he ever submitted a version of it during the production of TNG, then it belongs to CBS.

    Though the painting version is from the '90s and isn't recent at all.
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  • tacofangstacofangs Member Posts: 2,951 Cryptic Developer
    edited January 2013
    Thar she blows!


    And I do believe this was not JamJamz, but our other ship artist Adam(Not Logan)Gibson.
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Thar she blows!


    And I do believe this was not JamJamz, but our other ship artist Adam(Not Logan)Gibson.

    Credit where credit is due...

    Wonderful work 'Not Logan'. ;)
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Mr. Richter's Work is absolutely gorgeous!

    I love the close up of the rear of the Primary hull, showing the Captains Ready Room and the Lounge.

    The detail is amazing!
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    daveyny wrote: »
    If he ever submitted a version of it during the production of TNG, then it belongs to CBS.

    Though the painting version is from the '90s and isn't recent at all.

    Well the Painting is Probert's, which CBS doesn't own the rights to. But Stearnback did say that Probert did submit design sketches, which was alerted to the current Ambassador.

    Here is the original Probert sketch. Think CBS might own it. But when Richter was bringing the ship to life for the SotL calander, it seems Probert was holding ownership rights. Much like how Drexler has rights to the NX-Refit and Eaves with the Klingon D4.
  • darkstarkiriandarkstarkirian Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Well at least Probert's version has a torpedo launcher.
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  • mobiusoneofgalmmobiusoneofgalm Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I cant take away my eyes from her - waiting for it for such a long time. And so a nice aztec pattern. Can't wait to see her ingame.
  • hravikhravik Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I wonder about the Yamaguchi variant myself, since that one was on screen. Will we get something like the T3 being the standard with the variant optional as T5 like the Excelsior?
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    edited January 2013
    daveyny wrote: »
    Credit where credit is due...

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  • captainbmoneycaptainbmoney Member Posts: 1,323 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I hope to Q that it has the Layout I have been begging Geko for.
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  • sekritagentsekritagent Member Posts: 510 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    No accounting for taste with this group...

    That Probert version is hideous, looks like a bad kitbash of a Galaxy and Ambassador that got broken apart and thrown into the same spare parts bin.

    The beauty of the original is that it has very simple shapes put together in a proportionate way. No weird bulges, and most importantly it looks like it all belongs to the same parts bin. It subtly suggests a lineage from Enterprise A and B to D.

    By contrast this Probert version is all stretched and out of proportion, and hits you upside the head with a sledgehammer shouting HEY THAR, MAH NAME ENTERPRISE!! SEE HOW I LOOK KINDA LIKE THE OLD ONE AND THE NEW ONE!! ISN'T THAT KINDA COOL?? HUH??
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    sekritagent wrote: »
    No accounting for taste with this group...

    That Probert version is hideous, looks like a bad kitbash of a Galaxy and Ambassador that got broken apart and thrown into the same spare parts bin.

    The beauty of the original is that it has very simple shapes put together in a proportionate way. No weird bulges, and most importantly it looks like it all belongs to the same parts bin. It subtly suggests a lineage from Enterprise A and B to D.

    By contrast this Probert version is all stretched and out of proportion, and hits you upside the head with a sledgehammer shouting HEY THAR, MAH NAME ENTERPRISE!! SEE HOW I LOOK KINDA LIKE THE OLD ONE AND THE NEW ONE!! ISN'T THAT KINDA COOL?? HUH??

    One mans Mona Lisa is another's American Gothic. ;)

    You seems to have missed the point that the Producers actually asked Probert to design the ship in that manner.
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  • captainbmoneycaptainbmoney Member Posts: 1,323 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I like the Original Best too.

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  • zerobangzerobang Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    +1

    love that Probert Variant, if its good enough for the SotL Calendar than it is sure as hell good enough for STO!
    Real question is if they can get the rights to it. (and hopefully it will not take an eternity like it did with the Vesta).

    of course i like the original too, and i'm happy to finally see it :)

    it will be interesting to see if it outperforms the Galaxy Class at Tier 5,
    it is smaller so i guess slightly higher turnrate but less hull/shield points
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  • nyniknynik Member Posts: 1,628 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    darkstarkirian wrote: »
    Well at least Probert's version has a torpedo launcher.

    ROFL.

    Yes the Probert design (as illustrated by Richter, above) should be made into a variant skin.
  • cptrichardson12cptrichardson12 Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Thar she blows!


    And I do believe this was not JamJamz, but our other ship artist Adam(Not Logan)Gibson.

    Can you please slap around the design team and make a canted pylon version real quick? Just the pylons, nothing else. I would love to get a connie look off of the ship.
  • puttenhamputtenham Member Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    if memory serves, wasnt this one of the original concepts for the galaxy class, and then after it was refused it was resubmitted as a concept for the ambassador class (which was then again refused lol..)..

    while its not my cup of tea, it does have elements that are pretty cool. i wouldnt mind seeing them flying around, but i would never use the skin.. (i might use elements of it..)..

    but i am almost posotive this was one of the original designs for the galaxy class (the probert "varient")..
  • hravikhravik Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    puttenham wrote: »
    if memory serves, wasnt this one of the original concepts for the galaxy class, and then after it was refused it was resubmitted as a concept for the ambassador class (which was then again refused lol..)..

    while its not my cup of tea, it does have elements that are pretty cool. i wouldnt mind seeing them flying around, but i would never use the skin.. (i might use elements of it..)..

    but i am almost posotive this was one of the original designs for the galaxy class (the probert "varient")..

    This version of the Enterprise C was designed on the spot specifically for that one episode.

    http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/enterprise-c-pictorial-deluxe/

    Lots of pictures, and some behind the scenes story.
  • psiameesepsiameese Member Posts: 1,650 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    At a minimum we should get the Yamaguchi/Excalibur/Zhukov variant. As it addressed further details of the model. Enterprise-C has line-of-sight conflict between the Bussard collectors and edge of the saucer. This is born out when viewing the STO screenshot. In that sense, that specific game model is correct.

    Clearly, in-universe, the Enterprise-C was lost prior to refit to the Yamaguchi standard. Which does sport shortened struts to bring the nacelles down just enough. And also detailed further the lower-saucer sensor array. And more lifeboat hatches. However, the model builders seem to consistently forget to place the torpedo launcher. :rolleyes:

    Furthermore, that Probert sketch he submitted first is consistent with the painting. I find it odd that the painting image is thought to not be licensed through CBS. Even if the painting sets in Probert's house at the minute of this posting, it clearly still appears within multiple viewings of a TNG episode. Fair game as far as I'm concerned. Granted the aft view of the design is up for grabs. Unless, as others suggest, we can get access to Richter's calendar images. It really is the perfect bridge between Excelsior and Galaxy classes.

    I can't think of a good reason to disregard the continued improvements on the model when selling player's a version through C-store, etc.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Right now, if you go to Probert's website, you can order prints of his paintings, which includes his Ambassador portrait and the Galaxy portait we also saw in TNG.

    So either he does have full rights or has permission to sell those prints.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited January 2013
    psiameese wrote: »
    At a minimum we should get the Yamaguchi/Excalibur/Zhukov variant.

    Maybe the C-Store upgrade, similar to the Excelsior and Steamrunner.
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  • paragon92518paragon92518 Member Posts: 268
    edited January 2013
    captainwallis84 wrote: »
    Im loving what jamjamz has done with the Ambassador class. It looks glorious. Well done. I must admit though, I've always been a big fan of the original Andy Probert design. Im also hoping we get this as a variant.

    Another thing I noticed was the hull material. It looks amazing. Will we get a unique hull material for the Ambassador too?

    "IF" the Devs are savvy, they will offer the Probert sketching as a Mirror Universe alternative in one of the future lockboxes, or, perhaps a Fleet alternative.

    I imagine that players will have access to the 1701-C, Yamaguchi/Excalibur/Zhukov variants, as these slight changes should be acceptable skin variations within the allowable dimensions.
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