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Nerve tonic? Really?
princedimwit
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It's the 23rd Century not the 19th, alcohol wouldn't be used as a "nerve tonic".
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And knowing TOS, it makes sense. (if it where the 25th Century, it should be different)
Your crystal ball is that good that you can predict exactly what society is going to do in a fictional universe?
Except for the huge list of Canon alcohols on Memory Alpha I guess. :P
Given the logarithmic progression of our understanding of the body and what we should or should not put in it and what's healthy and what's snake oil, yeah, I'd say my crystal ball is spot on.
Given that people are idiots, and like entropy, it only increases, I think your Crystal Ball might have a few scuffs. :P
1) In a tough situation the women, who is still a trained professional, panics and completely shuts down. This ain't the 1950's and that stereotype was tired even then.
2) There are millions of lives at stake all over the sector, they even tell you the number but I can't remember and you have the time to run around to find something that works. I know something that works. A swift slap in the face and I'm not saying that to promote violence against women, but in a situation like this it'd force a person to focus and save millions of lives.
and why would alcohol not be used to calm the nerves by some people in the 23rd century? people are still people. they are not a bunch of angels who do no wrong and lead perfect lives.
:eek: you just broke my illusion of a human sanctimonious morally uberspecie better than everyone else in the galaxy! I am so looking forward to the next JJTrek movie where he will go back to the roots of exploring and educating new species and cure them of all ailness, before we start colonizing them. Without blunt violence. :P
You're taking directions from Scotty and you're in a bar. If the mission didn't involve alcohol, I'd be disappointed.
I agree that it was in character with what we actually saw on TOS. And I could see both Scotty AND even McCoy treating alcohol that way. (And McCoy was a doctor.)
But the problem is that it is definitely anachronistic, for the reason below.
Like that infamous, "Captain, I'm frightened!" that we get from Uhura in one of the TOS episode.
You know, I have wanted that on a few Fed missions too. Admiral Zelle and Dr. Yoc'm are on the top of my list. Zelle because she's obviously a traitor and I wanted to start pounding on her WAAAAAY earlier than the mission allowed, and Yoc'm because he infected my crew with something deadly.
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Really??????
well at one time smoking was "good for the lungs"
a few centuries down the line we know different
We also know that cocaine is not a tonic
and indeed that Iodine is still more effective than saline as a sterilising agent
But by Kirks time they know better still
including that alcohol is not only good for you its vital to life (look how many times they drink it)
later still synthetic drinks exist with the benefits and none of the problems
and later still both are about in equal amounts
So it's not unreasonable to think that in the 23rd century, where addiction is a curable disease and stress minimized by virtue of the state of society, that rather than simply getting rid of alcohol, people just know better than to abuse it.
Personally I prefer to think of it as, synthehol is "off-duty in Ten Forward" drink, alcohol is "occasional party time!" drink. Hence why Romulan Ale is so sought-after.
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Indeed a good argument for afterthought... If the highly sophisticated Romulans drink beer, why wouldn' humans... ...drink beer? Remember beer created our civilization. Without beer no agriculture.
As for the alcohol... First: Some alcoholic drinks (at least according to 21st Century medicine) can be good for you. My doctor once "prescribed" red wine to me because I've a history of Heart Condition in my family. I've read other reports that talk about beer and whiskey as having various medicinal benefits as well. Then there's the use of medical marajuana... But we know Trek Future is a world where dialysis is barbarism and doctors have pills that grow new kidneys, so of course our current methods will all be snake oil then.
So, let's go ahead and assume that booze is "bad for you" - It's human nature to want things that are bad for us. And clearly that's still around in all Star Trek timelines: Chiefly - Exploration. A cornerstone of Trekdom. Curiousity is not safe. But it's that drive that makes us want to see what's on the otherside of that mountain, across the sea to the edge of the flat world, seek out new life, and new civilization, and boldly go where no one has gone before.
And I think it's that same drive that will keep people drinking and doing all sorts of other "bad" recreational things from time to time. I think the trick to being an "enlightened society" is to recognize that everything is ok in moderation, including moderation (ie sometimes you need to be excessive!).
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Oh dear. :P
No, the part that's annoying is that she won't take it if it's in the wrong cup! "Oh no, I can't drink my booze out of something as ugly as that!" :mad:
Don't worry. You won't be making any nerve tonics. I just need some extra flavor for the crowd.
I've gotten a bit burned out on extensive canon reference combing. So this one is gonna be extensive GAME LORE reference combing. With the canon elements being things I think Dan Stahl AND Zero will like if they ever play it, although my big struggle now is with getting it more combat focused.
That said, I think I may have stumbled onto an idea that works with my last couple of Foundry projects:
Start with a non-combat Star Trek plot. Then fight yourself to justify as much combat as possible. I think it feels better than starting with a plot designed around combat. It forces you as a writer to EARN the combat moments a little more because you have to explain them in or figure out how combat could solve an argument that didn't have combat in the original outline.
Yes, really.
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Women are complicated in every century.
There's a Foundry mission for KDF where you end up going forward in time and you can talk to this teenage NPC and every dialog box has a "Hit him." option. xD Most immersive KDF mission I've played yet.
You can call people cowards, be a general ******* and watch Feds cower in fear (literally) at your awesomeness.
Best KDF mission in the game.
And thus we get the real lesson.
Cryptic wasn't "out of cups" during the Atari divestment. They were just out of the right KIND of cups. ;-)