The best carrier in the game right now seems to be the recluse. Its not only the most versatile but also does the most damage, despite having only two tac consoles. This seems to be due to the completely ridiculous mesh weavers.
i have been thinking of a carrier for one of my characters, and this thread has given me a lot to think on...where does the Armitage Heavy Escort Carrier fall in these ratings? i've been seeing a lot of talk about the Atrox and the Dreadnought as well as the Recluse, but not much on this ship and it is actually the one i've been considering.
i have been thinking of a carrier for one of my characters, and this thread has given me a lot to think on...where does the Armitage Heavy Escort Carrier fall in these ratings? i've been seeing a lot of talk about the Atrox and the Dreadnought as well as the Recluse, but not much on this ship and it is actually the one i've been considering.
It's an escort with a single bay, and not considered to be a 'true' carrier by many people.
It's a good ship for what it is, an escort that can augment it's DPS or self-healing with a single hangar. With dual-bay carriers you have more micro-managing of your pets being part of your role, for single hangar ships you can pretty much just leave the setting to Attack for DPS pets or Recall for the shield drones.
I just got $25 dollars to spend on this game. I was going to get an Atrox, but I was wondering about the Vesta. Which one is better?
I have the Atrox and the Vesta 3 pack. The Atrox is not worth the money; they need to fix it, and adding a Lt. Cmdr Universal station is a good start. The Vesta is just a boring ship. Good ship but boring.
i have been thinking of a carrier for one of my characters, and this thread has given me a lot to think on...where does the Armitage Heavy Escort Carrier fall in these ratings? i've been seeing a lot of talk about the Atrox and the Dreadnought as well as the Recluse, but not much on this ship and it is actually the one i've been considering.
Starfleet players having a JHEC is kind of redundant and far more expensive than just outright getting the HEC. Yes, there are some differences between the two ships, being the HEC is more offense oriented while the JHEC is more robust. But the idea of a Escort with 1 hangar bay is, IMO, well covered by the HEC.
The JHEC is actually a very big deal for the KDF side which has no faction-specific equivalent of this kind of ship.
I have a Sci captain flying a Vo'Quv with two B'rolth BoP Hangers. The build is a plasma beam boat built around chained Energy Siphons. I'm still building up for the best gear, as right now I've not completed my Rep Systems with this character. Still, the ship is fun to fly and usually gets around 7-8k DPS in STFs.
My other Sci KDF toon was in a Kar'fi with dual Fer'Jai bays, but I was never satisfied with the ship. Entirely too fragile for my tastes. So I'd been saving my credits, and two days ago I purchased a Recluse off the Exchange.
I'm flying a build very similar to the one Momaw kindly posted in one of my threads a while back. Again, this toon has far from best gear, for example only hosting one Mesh Weaver Bay (stock Widow Fighters in the other until I can afford another Mesh Weaver), but I've flown it on a couple missions, and already I'm liking it tremendously better than the Kar'fi.
...The Vesta is just a boring ship. Good ship but boring.
Really? I'm wondering what you find boring about it, as I would disagree completely. It's one of my favorite ships to fly. It's agile yet robust; does goodly damage, crowd control, and healing; can spam Elite Scorpion Fighters; and has lots of fun powers provided by its assorted consoles. Not to mention, I think it looks great. In my mind it's the perfect synergy between a Cruiser, Escort, and Sci Ship, combining the best aspects of each.
You can find/contact me in game as @PatricianVetinari. Playing STO since Feb 2010.
Really? I'm wondering what you find boring about it, as I would disagree completely. It's one of my favorite ships to fly. It's agile yet robust; does goodly damage, crowd control, and healing; can spam Elite Scorpion Fighters; and has lots of fun powers provided by its assorted consoles. Not to mention, I think it looks great. In my mind it's the perfect synergy between a Cruiser, Escort, and Sci Ship, combining the best aspects of each.
it can be boring for people. it has no real feat of its own. I mean the feat of its own, is that it knows everything that the game has to offer at this point. it is a jack of all trades, amking it a bit blend on the outcome of one specific area (but certainly the most fun ship on the mixing of builds and areas)
it can be boring for people. it has no real feat of its own. I mean the feat of its own, is that it knows everything that the game has to offer at this point. it is a jack of all trades, amking it a bit blend on the outcome of one specific area (but certainly the most fun ship on the mixing of builds and areas)
If I understand you correctly, you're thinking the Vesta's lack of specialization makes it boring to some people?
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I don't get it.
It's versatility is it's strength.
You can find/contact me in game as @PatricianVetinari. Playing STO since Feb 2010.
Really? I'm wondering what you find boring about it, as I would disagree completely. It's one of my favorite ships to fly. It's agile yet robust; does goodly damage, crowd control, and healing; can spam Elite Scorpion Fighters; and has lots of fun powers provided by its assorted consoles. Not to mention, I think it looks great. In my mind it's the perfect synergy between a Cruiser, Escort, and Sci Ship, combining the best aspects of each.
I like how the Vesta comes with the Aux cannons, but no Aux weapon for the back. So, set to aux power and pop weapons batteries or go the other way around and set for weapon power and pop aux batteries? I don't really like changing power settings that much in combat. No flexibility, stay with phaser for max effectiveness on the set. Ship doesn't really do anything special.
I like how the Vesta comes with the Aux cannons, but no Aux weapon for the back. So, set to aux power and pop weapons batteries or go the other way around and set for weapon power and pop aux batteries? I don't really like changing power settings that much in combat. No flexibility, stay with phaser for max effectiveness on the set. Ship doesn't really do anything special.
If you don't like changing power in combat, how is any Sci ship good then? You either nerf your weapons or your Sci powers, instead of just nerfing your already lower damage rear turrets. Well, unless you spec to where you have both decent Weapon power and Aux at the same time, in which case the Vesta still comes out ahead since it can take dual cannons to be able to CRF and CSV a bit better than a single-cannon build.
I do agree with phaser being one of the weaker proc types in PvE, but I don't find it a huge trade-off for the Aux cannons and QFFP deflector phaser, personally. However, you don't have to run the Aux phasers and set, and there are some pretty nice builds that don't use them (see the 10k DPS Vesta threads). Plenty of room for innovation, IMO.
I like how the Vesta comes with the Aux cannons, but no Aux weapon for the back. So, set to aux power and pop weapons batteries or go the other way around and set for weapon power and pop aux batteries? I don't really like changing power settings that much in combat. No flexibility, stay with phaser for max effectiveness on the set. Ship doesn't really do anything special.
what if we changed to full disruptor weapons instead of playing with the aux? O.o completely mental idea, isnt it?
Though, Vo'quv moves one boff slot from science to tactical. This gives you enough for tactical team, attack pattern beta, AND an attack modifier of your choice. It's a much more flexible design than is readily apparent.
It really is an outstanding ship, as evidenced by the number of them flying around.
My KDF uses a Mirror Vo'Quv to kill Borg with. It swaps Sci capacity for Eng over the regular version, and the only things that come close to killing it are gates.
I dont know why anyone would call the vesta boring.
I recon if you were only alowed to by one thing in the game it would be the vesta pack
I mean you can fit effectively as an Escort, Cruiser or Sci ship and it has a hanger bay.
And its versatility doesn't mean it's weak in any way at all. It's a powerful ship.
It's like a a science focused escort carrier with a high shield multiplier. A high turn rate sci ship with a hanger bay that can fit dual cannons????
I find with the vesta in my hanger it's hard to find excuses to by another ship. Rather than buy a whole new ship you may as well just buy a new loadout for the vesta and try something new with it.
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It's an escort with a single bay, and not considered to be a 'true' carrier by many people.
It's a good ship for what it is, an escort that can augment it's DPS or self-healing with a single hangar. With dual-bay carriers you have more micro-managing of your pets being part of your role, for single hangar ships you can pretty much just leave the setting to Attack for DPS pets or Recall for the shield drones.
I have the Atrox and the Vesta 3 pack. The Atrox is not worth the money; they need to fix it, and adding a Lt. Cmdr Universal station is a good start. The Vesta is just a boring ship. Good ship but boring.
I know that you suggest it everywhere, but I'm truly surprised that you're not going all-out on it here.
If you're going to suggest one, you should suggest FOUR!
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Starfleet players having a JHEC is kind of redundant and far more expensive than just outright getting the HEC. Yes, there are some differences between the two ships, being the HEC is more offense oriented while the JHEC is more robust. But the idea of a Escort with 1 hangar bay is, IMO, well covered by the HEC.
The JHEC is actually a very big deal for the KDF side which has no faction-specific equivalent of this kind of ship.
Hmmmm ... 4 would be 4 times as powerful ...
My other Sci KDF toon was in a Kar'fi with dual Fer'Jai bays, but I was never satisfied with the ship. Entirely too fragile for my tastes. So I'd been saving my credits, and two days ago I purchased a Recluse off the Exchange.
I'm flying a build very similar to the one Momaw kindly posted in one of my threads a while back. Again, this toon has far from best gear, for example only hosting one Mesh Weaver Bay (stock Widow Fighters in the other until I can afford another Mesh Weaver), but I've flown it on a couple missions, and already I'm liking it tremendously better than the Kar'fi.
Really? I'm wondering what you find boring about it, as I would disagree completely. It's one of my favorite ships to fly. It's agile yet robust; does goodly damage, crowd control, and healing; can spam Elite Scorpion Fighters; and has lots of fun powers provided by its assorted consoles. Not to mention, I think it looks great. In my mind it's the perfect synergy between a Cruiser, Escort, and Sci Ship, combining the best aspects of each.
You can find/contact me in game as @PatricianVetinari. Playing STO since Feb 2010.
it can be boring for people. it has no real feat of its own. I mean the feat of its own, is that it knows everything that the game has to offer at this point. it is a jack of all trades, amking it a bit blend on the outcome of one specific area (but certainly the most fun ship on the mixing of builds and areas)
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
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I don't get it.
It's versatility is it's strength.
You can find/contact me in game as @PatricianVetinari. Playing STO since Feb 2010.
well, thats what I recon
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
I like how the Vesta comes with the Aux cannons, but no Aux weapon for the back. So, set to aux power and pop weapons batteries or go the other way around and set for weapon power and pop aux batteries? I don't really like changing power settings that much in combat. No flexibility, stay with phaser for max effectiveness on the set. Ship doesn't really do anything special.
If you don't like changing power in combat, how is any Sci ship good then? You either nerf your weapons or your Sci powers, instead of just nerfing your already lower damage rear turrets. Well, unless you spec to where you have both decent Weapon power and Aux at the same time, in which case the Vesta still comes out ahead since it can take dual cannons to be able to CRF and CSV a bit better than a single-cannon build.
I do agree with phaser being one of the weaker proc types in PvE, but I don't find it a huge trade-off for the Aux cannons and QFFP deflector phaser, personally. However, you don't have to run the Aux phasers and set, and there are some pretty nice builds that don't use them (see the 10k DPS Vesta threads). Plenty of room for innovation, IMO.
what if we changed to full disruptor weapons instead of playing with the aux? O.o completely mental idea, isnt it?
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
My KDF uses a Mirror Vo'Quv to kill Borg with. It swaps Sci capacity for Eng over the regular version, and the only things that come close to killing it are gates.
I recon if you were only alowed to by one thing in the game it would be the vesta pack
I mean you can fit effectively as an Escort, Cruiser or Sci ship and it has a hanger bay.
And its versatility doesn't mean it's weak in any way at all. It's a powerful ship.
It's like a a science focused escort carrier with a high shield multiplier. A high turn rate sci ship with a hanger bay that can fit dual cannons????
I find with the vesta in my hanger it's hard to find excuses to by another ship. Rather than buy a whole new ship you may as well just buy a new loadout for the vesta and try something new with it.