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mancom
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They fixed the T4 Omega healing bug and your opponents are still indestructible?
Don't worry, it's not your piloting. It's Cryptic's latest blunder.
The Elite Fleet Shields have an [Adapt] modifier that provides additional shield resists (like the Aegis set does for hull resists). This adaption can stack up to 5. Each application provides an additional 10% shield resist against the energy type in question. This means that the total additional resist is 1 - (1 - .1)^5 = 41%.
An EPtS3 provides additional shield power and a 30% resist. Converting the power bonus into resist gives an effective combined resist boost of roughly 38% for EPtS3.
The Fleet Elite Shields passive resist stacking is thus better than an EPtS3.
Combining the Fleet Shields with EPtS (or other shield resists like TSS or extend or sci fleet) will put a ship close to the resist cap of 75%. A ship with only 25 base in shields and EPtS1 together with Fleet Elite Shields will have roughly 62% resist.
This bonus is completely out of line and needs to be fixed as soon as possible.
Don't worry, it's not your piloting. It's Cryptic's latest blunder.
The Elite Fleet Shields have an [Adapt] modifier that provides additional shield resists (like the Aegis set does for hull resists). This adaption can stack up to 5. Each application provides an additional 10% shield resist against the energy type in question. This means that the total additional resist is 1 - (1 - .1)^5 = 41%.
An EPtS3 provides additional shield power and a 30% resist. Converting the power bonus into resist gives an effective combined resist boost of roughly 38% for EPtS3.
The Fleet Elite Shields passive resist stacking is thus better than an EPtS3.
Combining the Fleet Shields with EPtS (or other shield resists like TSS or extend or sci fleet) will put a ship close to the resist cap of 75%. A ship with only 25 base in shields and EPtS1 together with Fleet Elite Shields will have roughly 62% resist.
This bonus is completely out of line and needs to be fixed as soon as possible.
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[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
Ive had enough!
Edit: Oh, and cryptic learn from this immediatly.
PaxOttomana: gawd mirror event is like fighting a tsi premade, they keep comin and comin!
The Aegis 5-stacks, I thought the Fleet Elite Adapt 10-stacks...
Edit: @virusdancer: The description is wrong
No it does not. It stacks 5 times with every stack ~10% each. What was, if they have anything, the devs thinking with!?
PaxOttomana: gawd mirror event is like fighting a tsi premade, they keep comin and comin!
I'm going for a smoke
Ah, better.
While the description being wrong doesn't affect me personally, it's just another example. Things are either "cryptic" or they are "wrong" way...WAY...too much.
It would be one thing to drop a buttload of parses into a database and take Monarch to it if you were going for the ultimate min/max on everything... it's another thing just to figure out how something is working if it's working at all.
Add a new item. Test it. Working? No? Fix it. Working? Yes. Finalize the description.
It's dancing on the verge of STO being the calculator where the + button subtracts and the tooltip for the % button offers a recipe for fudge brownies...
I wasn't privy to the logs in our own test scenario but the raw numbers were telling of some ~25% flat damage reduction after resists, in comparison to a MACO equivalent.
Visually the test was far more incredible; a sustained attack at medium weapons power that had drained three full shield facings on the MACO candidate instead left the Elite shield candidate virtually untouched.
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[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
This is another poorly thought out ability. The issue gets back to PvE RoF being very slow compared to the potential RoF in PvP. They should have went w/a lower value than the OP reported from a lesser number of stacks to get to the 15% you claim in a fewer number of hits. Though imo given the other bonuses Fleet shields have I'd go w/10% omni that Maco has and do away w/the required stacking (this flat boost would help PvEers more than stacks from low RoF NPCs even if you believe the 10% is too low and it should be 15%).
A passive plus a chainable T1 boff ability should never get max shield power like resists at min power settings. Though to be fair the test should been done on tribble w/various skill points in engineering skills to establish a low and max benefit baselines. But, I'm not gonna hold that against the OP since he/she has put more effort into than either of us.
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Sry, my english is not mother language, but if I understood correctly, u think that I`m PvE-er? Well, i`m not, i do pvp every day, and almost all day. Also, i have elite shields, i`m not indestructible, i died lot of times in matches, regardless of all adapting. I have also fought players that had same shields as I do, and i killed some. Yes, they are harder to kill, but not indestructible
I love the sense of entitlement that comes with simple grinding. I sincerely hope they work out this issue before too many people acquire them, or otherwise find out about them. The necessary correction is going to be difficult for the average player to understand and it's only going to create more animosity.
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
No, I don't think he was calling you a PvEer. I think he was noting that the devs have a tendency to balance things agains PvE, rather than PvP. NPCs don't shoot as fast or as often as player ships do. Therefore, they don't trigger as many stacks.
These resists might not have been seens as overpowered to them during testing, because they weren't maxing out the potential of the shields. Fail on Cryptics part.
No passive should do more than a comparable Level 3 BOFF ability. That is just silly. No, it doesn't make you unkillable, like other bugs have in the past, but it does give too much free resistance (according to the numbers provided by Hilbert).
i was gonna suggest we make it a goal to unlock these shields, but now they seem like an exploit :rolleyes:
I'm really curious as to how the results were derived. Nothing personal Hilbert, in 3 years I've never seen you wrong but this is the first time I just don't see it. Of course if the maths legit then they should be rebalanced.
Addendum: I always thought the stacks applied a 1% resist per stack...
if it is, the problem with this shield is that you can have that 75% wile your shield power is set to 25.
I assume anyone can achieve it?.
Good bye old sets, hello new sets
Or at least hybrid sets like the vessels are.
I wonder if the set idea has gone too far?
Or just a Par balancing that evens all bets?
R.I.P
btw. with these shields you are not invulnurable (at least without the passive t4 reputation skills).
Then I shot him. First with a regular shield with and without EPtS3. Then with the fleet shield again with and without EPtS3.
Then I went started analysing the combat log and calculated the shield resists and compared these values to the expected values from the known formulas for shield power and EPtS. (They matched my expectations.) Since these nubers were "correct", I went on to calculate the resist that originated from the fleet shields.
To get to the stacking issue I went through the log step by step and saw an increase in shield resists from the fleet shield in 5 steps of 10% each (multiplicatively).
I prolly didn't explain myself well, I was curious as to the raw data/formulas.
So now imagine when only a few fleets have access to do them. Its a huge advantage over the others, which will make small fleets rather upset. And secondly what happens when all major fleets got em. I mean, nooothing will die..nooooothing.
PaxOttomana: gawd mirror event is like fighting a tsi premade, they keep comin and comin!
Simply premature to even suggest that.
A question, Hilbert was this a case of complementary damage IE phaser on [ResA]? Where the results the same when opposing types where used?
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
But thats what its going to do. I mean heck every other equipment in the game will be obsolete and players will be piedgonhold into these elite thingies cause they simpy are way better. No one is going to bother with MACO or whatnot any longer at this rate.
PaxOttomana: gawd mirror event is like fighting a tsi premade, they keep comin and comin!
Exactly my point. But people defend these over powered or poorly balanced mechanics and equipment tooth and nail as if it's their right from god or something. :rolleyes: You spent time some time grinding. Woohoo...
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
No, it was spinal wave disruptors against a shield without ResA or ResB.
Wouldn't it have been best to test with Common weapons - no modifiers/procs?