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Season 8 or a new Season 1?

gstamo01gstamo01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
Just curious if folks would rather see a new Season One under a new STO subtitle like "Star Trek Online: The Blah Blah: Season One" or just carry on with it as Season Eight.

I only ask because Star Trek doesn't do eight seasons.
You know Cryptic has Jumped the Proverbial Shark when they introduced Tractor Pulling to Star Trek Online! :D
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  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    The tv shows never reached 8, for different reasons which is very different to a game.

    renaming the game to something slightly different and going back to season 1 will just confuse people.
  • stealthymcthiefstealthymcthief Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Let's call it Star Kirk: The Fatening: To Baldly Go.
  • gstamo01gstamo01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    The tv shows never reached 8, for different reasons which is very different to a game.

    renaming the game to something slightly different and going back to season 1 will just confuse people.

    Oh I know, but they were the ones that decided to call it "Seasons" and all other mmo's tag a new subtitle under the main name with each expansion.

    The Star Trek Online we have now is not the one that was released nearly three years ago. Tagging a new subtitle under the name might even help bring in new or coax old members to return.

    I am not for or against whatever they want to call it, so long as they keep them coming. :D

    It was just something that's been on my mind since season one. Though back than, it was more "I wonder if they will even make it to eight seasons.."
    You know Cryptic has Jumped the Proverbial Shark when they introduced Tractor Pulling to Star Trek Online! :D
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    gstamo01 wrote: »
    Just curious if folks would rather see a new Season One under a new STO subtitle like "Star Trek Online: The Blah Blah: Season One" or just carry on with it as Season Eight.

    I only ask because Star Trek doesn't do eight seasons.

    Well, given that the Season updates are architectural rather than purely story driven, I'd prefer it if they'd just refer to these things as PATCHES like most other game developers. Making it something like Patch 2.3. I think the communication would be clearer.

    But given the choice between Season 8 (which has no meaning in Star Trek as shows never go past 7 seasons and no meaning in real world calendar terms since the goal is now 2 a year) and Star Trek Online (Superlative or Phrase) Season 1, I think the latter is at least snappier and more effective at building anticipation.

    Season implies one a year, as-in TV shows (and thus implies story), or four a year, as-in calendar (and thus implies frequency).

    Moreover, if you want to get into semantics (and I usually do), then I would point out that naming your big patches SEASONS tends to emphasize a chronology of systems updates. Your "story" becomes not an in-world story but a story of system updates and features. This may be useful as an internal tool for patting your designers on the back for how far they've come since launch but probably de-emphasizes proper in-world story at the development level.

    Additionally, it causes players to look at the history of your game as a series of buffs/nerfs/code changes. Which has an interesting set of psychological effects on how they view the game. When good changes come around, people may say, for example, "Season 8 IS great." But they rarely say "Season 8 WAS great." Generally, emphasizing chronology of game development has three effects:

    - People look back on changes negatively, breeding fundamentalism. ("Patch 1.5 ruined the game.") People also dread changes. Ask any player about Issue 6 of City of Heroes. Do they talk about super-group bases or dual core support? No. They talk about the enhancement diversification nerf. (As a side note here: I'd encourage people to go back through the history of CoX, Champs, and STO. Which big ticket mechanical changes were ever seen as successes? Which ever caused a game to gain players? I'd argue that a winning scratchoff lottery ticket is far more common than mechanical updates actually enhancing value or attracting players. Content is king. Systems is playing the lottery. Doesn't mean you don't play but you put food on the table before you hit the slot machines.)

    - People begin to demand new patches and code branch mergers when what they want is not a code update but content. ("When will Patch 2.7 get here? I'm out of things to do!") Regardless of whether content could be released independent of a major patch or whether 2.7 contains content. It's like asking for a new watch because you want it to be lunchtime. And people will do this when you push code update chronology.

    - People will ignore the content you release as "not counting." ("Yeah. That was just a minor release at the end of Patch 5.6. I'm waiting for Patch 5.7!") When it may be that the developer sees that content as a significant push. And the developer either winds up with marginalized content or holding content until the patch/season release.

    Cryptic over-markets code updates and under-markets content updates. And this harms them, repeatedly.
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Moreover, I'm not saying code branch mergers and season updates are not a big deal. They should be, internally. By all means, have cake and ice cream when the patch is done and the servers don't crash. Issue bonuses.

    But developer priorities are not player priorities and expecting them to match up is both what drives players off the deep end and get forum bans and causes developers to go on career ending rampages.

    You need people at Cryptic -- not just on the community team but in design meetings -- who understand the different priorities.

    I won't name names but, as an example:

    We have several devs here who have repeatedly said in interviews, "We're making money!" They use this to justify the validity of a decision or to proclaim the health of the game. And this is a boneheaded move. And I've had numerous fleetmates, also unnamed, who have gone into lengthy vent tirades about how much this kind of statement enrages them, how it illustrates a culture of greed, lack of sustainability, and differing priorities. And maybe, sometimes, when I come to these forums cranky, it's because I just had a thirty minute shouting match where I tried to defend Cryptic and wound up coming around to the other side of an issue.

    Now, I don't think Cryptic is full of greedy sociopaths. I know folks who have flown out there for interviews. I've known a few devs outside the game for awhile. And people with a foot in both worlds get the dev perspective. They get that it means cups in the cupboard, replacing broken down hardware (I get the impression my PC is better than a lot of the ones used at Cryptic). It means no furloughs. It means paying rent, getting a weekend off, paying for little Suzie's braces. I know Jack Emmert drove a broken down car until the PWE acquisition.

    BUT... There are two priority streams in place. And "Thank you, my kid got braces! We made money last week! We can feel validated about our work!" is like speaking Swahili to someone thinking, "My brother just overdrafted his bank account buying lockboxes! What's the deal with this Undine plot? I can get a movie for $2 on iTunes and no matter how much money I keep jamming into this game, you aren't giving me a movie's worth of story. I paid you $1000 to make a Star Trek movie and you're talking about your kids' dental visits!"
  • ussweatherlightussweatherlight Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    These are just patches. Calling them seasons is just to immerse you. STO hasn't had any actual expansions.At least in the WoW sense.
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  • gstamo01gstamo01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    These are just patches. Calling them seasons is just to immerse you. STO hasn't had any actual expansions.At least in the WoW sense.

    Thank you for stating the obvious..
    You know Cryptic has Jumped the Proverbial Shark when they introduced Tractor Pulling to Star Trek Online! :D
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    A new Season 1 would have to have a new setting, a new crew, and preferably a new time period. Although, it would be extremely funny after some big ingame event, if we get the message "Thanks for playing the Star Trek Online Beta. The actual Star Trek Online game will launch in a few weeks."
  • mkilczewskimkilczewski Member Posts: 284
    edited December 2012
    starkaos wrote: »
    A new Season 1 would have to have a new setting, a new crew, and preferably a new time period. Although, it would be extremely funny after some big ingame event, if we get the message "Thanks for playing the Star Trek Online Beta. The actual Star Trek Online game will launch in a few weeks."

    Right. And then when it launched, it was exactly the same as the beta. That would funny as a hernia truss.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    It would make for a really good April Fool's Joke. Especially if it is done for an MMO like WoW.
  • twg042370twg042370 Member Posts: 2,312 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Star Trek: No, Not The One With Sylar.
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