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Lockbox Ship rewards vs C-Store
bbaetens
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Is it just me or do i find it not fair that the lockbox ships are not in the c-Store by now? i can understand that the new lockbox ships are not but common, the ferengi and cardassian version ships and goodies !!!
Oh wait yes its CBS so many tell us, CBS don't allows them to be put in the C-Store ?! really that's a load of TRIBBLE, don't be so greedy and put them in the C-Store! there wer plenty of cardassian and ferengi ships in the TV Shows, so that rare would they not be!
its more and more clear that the Cryptic Dev team are "ferengie's" in human skins !!! the greediness is so big its not even funny any more. do you really like to hurt your player base like this,... ofc you are what the hell em i thinking, this thread will probably get deleted in no time or moved and merged whit some other thread just to make this post disappear.
if in all likelyhood it is CBS that don't allowed the ships in the C-Store then i would strongly advice them to rethink there strategy, cus not all players of STO are kids with rich parents. or are players with no sens of the worth of coin. ! i need to work hard for my cash and if i buy some virtual goods i want results, after all, all the virtual goods i buy will dissapear wen STO eventually die's and the servers go down. i wonder do people think of that fact that one day there spend money will be gone for good?! its not that you get a copy of the game to play it standalone at home with all you virtual goods.
like i said a couple of times i know Cryptic needs to get money to keep this game running, BUT there plenty of other ways to do this, the ship lockbox's are just a form of SCAM really Exploitation of a Star Trek Fan!, older box's should not be brought back, no no the contence of the older box's should be added to the C-Store! that would be a fair trade off. instead of this greedy way of doing things.
all i can say is this Cryptic devs/management = Ferengie's that's clear as day!
Oh wait yes its CBS so many tell us, CBS don't allows them to be put in the C-Store ?! really that's a load of TRIBBLE, don't be so greedy and put them in the C-Store! there wer plenty of cardassian and ferengi ships in the TV Shows, so that rare would they not be!
its more and more clear that the Cryptic Dev team are "ferengie's" in human skins !!! the greediness is so big its not even funny any more. do you really like to hurt your player base like this,... ofc you are what the hell em i thinking, this thread will probably get deleted in no time or moved and merged whit some other thread just to make this post disappear.
if in all likelyhood it is CBS that don't allowed the ships in the C-Store then i would strongly advice them to rethink there strategy, cus not all players of STO are kids with rich parents. or are players with no sens of the worth of coin. ! i need to work hard for my cash and if i buy some virtual goods i want results, after all, all the virtual goods i buy will dissapear wen STO eventually die's and the servers go down. i wonder do people think of that fact that one day there spend money will be gone for good?! its not that you get a copy of the game to play it standalone at home with all you virtual goods.
like i said a couple of times i know Cryptic needs to get money to keep this game running, BUT there plenty of other ways to do this, the ship lockbox's are just a form of SCAM really Exploitation of a Star Trek Fan!, older box's should not be brought back, no no the contence of the older box's should be added to the C-Store! that would be a fair trade off. instead of this greedy way of doing things.
all i can say is this Cryptic devs/management = Ferengie's that's clear as day!
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Yeah! And my VHS tapes are useless now too! Sure I got use out of them for a long time, but they should last for all eternity, providing me with endless entertainment! :mad:
Not a load of TRIBBLE at all. It's called a license, which is a form of contract, which is what business relations are based on and controlled by. Do CBS and Cryptic want to make money? Yes. Their actions are determined by what they believe will make the most money in the long-run.
On the one hand you complain that you work hard for your money, then you complain that Cryptic isn't allowing you to spend it frivolously. Get a grip. Put your rage away. Have a drink. Go outside. Calm down. It is just a game.
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The only lockbox ship that doesn't make sense being restricted is the Wells class.
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Except that argument falls apart now that everyone can have a Breen ship.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
It's still going to be rare. For one it's definately gone after 35 days and not everyone will have the time or persistance to run those 25 races, while there is a seemingly endless supply of lockboxes and lockbox ships. Also, when compared to the c-store ships, it's still a per-character unlock, instead of account-wide.
ok granted VHS tapes are useless now BUT you have the option to convert them to CD / DVD heck even Blue ray so there not a total loss sir, next time think a tiny bit harder before you try to sink someones opinion
Owkey i understand "license" but do you really think that is the reason they keep the lockbox's the way it is now? and yes hard work to get money in life, you should try it some day, not everyone is born in a place where money grows on tree's or where mom or dad provide it to yah easy. and i'm sorry i find it not so easy to spend money on virtual goods like that. especially if the goods you buy have a "CHANCE" on getting good virtual items. so you find it perfectly normal that someone has to spend 300 dollars before he gets a ship out of them box's, well then sir then i feel sorry for you that you can't see past there deception.
you speak of pollution in a game, so the latest movie did not pollute the trek universe at all then, there polluting the star trek universe at a greater rate then this game ever can.
and in the end this is a game and a game should be enjoyably to play!
So wen i see and read all the reply's its clear that either the fans wants to get exploited. and if CBS is the evil link in this, is that then why there so many failed Star Trek Games in the past? do they really just care about money fast! anyways i will no longer comment on this, i do not rage, i like this game with all its flaws i won't just buy them any more that's all. i just gave my opinion about something and wanted to know everyone els's opinion and that's clear.
no need to start a war.
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I'm noticing some violations of PWE Community Rules and Policies in this thread.
Let's keep the conversation civil. Valid opinions are being expressed, and there's no need for further hostility here.
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Sorry, before the servers shut down in 10 years, print out a screenshot of your ship, hang it on the wall, and click your mouse at it to ensure you get your dollar's worth.:o
hehe again not relevant to this thread, you compare apples with oranges!! VHS cassette vs Virtual Item is not one and the same! you can't compare the two. virtual item can't ever be in your possession, you might think you own it but you don't. same goes for the game you rent space on there HDs / database. rent it in either a subscription or C-Store way. the difference here is you find it normal that the rent went up and you don't even want to notice it. i know that the lockbox's are making them allot of money that's the point why they added them in the first place, but is it fair? no it is not you can tell your self anything you want to make your self feel better wen you buy the box's in the end it is exploitation of. but i can understand that if someone has no value of money or just plenty of it, that they don't see this as is bad or unfair.
it is not that i don't like the game, cus if that were the case i would not make any thread about it, i would just uninstall the game and move on tho other game(s). i value my money and i dislike the practice of the lockbox's, i said it before in some other posts, i would happily buy it all direct from the c-store, cus then i know what i buy! i don't like surprises especially as the surprise is not worth the value of my money.
I think you are missing the point. You don't have to buy a lockbox ship. If you think the value you get from them is less than the asking price, don't pay.
But I understand CBS's and Cryptic's policy concerning these lockbox ships, even if I don't agree with it myself. I just can't see them reversing it, especially as long as it continues to generate sales.
If anyone does not want to spend money on lockboxes, or convert Dilithium to Zen in order to buy Master Keys, that is their choice. Some of these ships have been put on the EC Exchange and it is possible (if not easy) to earn the EC's to buy one if you're patient and willing to grind it out.
I don't like it any more than other players do, but I'm forced to accept that this is how it is. We can rant on the forums all we want, but in this particular case my opinion is that we don't have the influence to change it.
That said, feel free to lobby for change but let's make sure we're following the rules when we post our feedback on this.
Please show some respect for other people's opinions, even if you don't agree with them.
Please stick with the facts -- don't speculate about other people's motivations.
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You wrote that you know how hard is to earn money, and at the same time you have problem that Cryptic want get money for they work :eek:
You can buy Zen by dilithium exchange without spending single $, so I don't see what's the problem. Don't want lottery opening boxes? As I wrote earlier, buy ship at exchange.
It's not worth your money, don't buy it. Because with this argument, sorry but whole thread looks like flame for flame.
well this is the kind of response i was seeking, atleast i know i'm not allone that don't like this. and yes i know there not gonna change there mind about the lockbox's over-night but if no one ever speak out about this they "will" never change.
Change happens wen at-least someone speaks or debate it. this fact happens in every country on the planet! heck we vote for front-runners to speak there mind for us.
Thank you bluegeek for this honest reply.
With a guaranteed 4 lobi per box (key) these ships have a zen value.
Then again all these ships can be found on the exchange for EC which is pretty easy to get lol
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no sir this thread was not meant to be flame wars!
i'll explain my frustration. i bought zen, bought 30 keys that's 35dollar worth of keys give or take. tryed my luck like any other guy. what did i get
- 142 lobi crystals
- a total of 55 Duty officers "unpacked i used all the packs" 40 of them are just white doffs
- 6 box's of useless deflectors
- 2 1k XP boost
- 2 2k XP boost
- 1 10k XP boost
now is this list worth 35dollars to you?! well not in my book, i know they had a chance but this low that's sorry not worth it to me and yes i won't buy them any more. really thought the things that come out of a box would have bin fair but this is not fair in my book anyways in the end it was a gamble and i clearly lost! like everything els in life you have to experience it before you can avoid it the next time.
you speak of cryptic is working hard for there money, you find that working hard for there money, reusing models, selling box'es that are not worth the pollygons there made of.
before you start yelling "REUSING MODELS" i'll explain, fleet ships cos 2000 zen, 4 times 500 zen for a item you need to buy em, yes, the models are the same as the normal ships they just have more consoles spots, you find that hard work?
making the winter event that is hard work, sort of speak, they did use most of the first map, and some reward are used models BUT i don't complain about them cus its FUN.
anyways i can go on and on, none seems to see it my way and that is fine everyone has its own view on things i'm not here to judge was simple asking for everyone opinion.
look i think i don't write english here ?! i know i said i wanted the ship(s) but that's not the point here i want to make its the other stuff you get out of the box, look at my list, is that list 35dollars worth to you?
Yes i expected a ship out one of the box's (that's the gambling part of the box) but cryptic claims that the other rewards have at-least the value of the key you need to open it. or that the box gives at-least the value of the key. not sure about you but that's not an impressive list.
oh and it seems that everyone that reply's assumes i open the box's like a crazy man and that i start to complain about them, no its the first time and the last time, that list was not impressive to get me hooked to buy more keys and open them. well i'm lie'ing i will open atleast 3-4 more box's then i have the lobi cryst to buy what i want from the lobi store again.
i bought the whipe and now seek to buy the skirt for the ferengi char. but know this after them not one i will open ever again.
your suggestion of buying a ship from exchange is well noted, few others even said that to me before i wanted to open the 30 box's, but i wanted to gamble for the ship i just did not expected that the rest of the rewards wer that crappy.
ohwell 70million credits it is for the exchange, and i don't play 24/7 so i'll take what 6months to get it. i can't grind hours on hours i do have other things to do in my life and i'm not that great at games to start with either.
You should have sold those keys on the exchange. You could have made enough to get any of the lockbox ships other than the bug ship, and had some EC left over. Don't QQ because you didn't win the lottery.
Buying key you were aware that it's lottery. Sorry you lose, that happened, that how lotteries work.
Does it happen that a power gets someone elses tech? Did it happen in the Shows? Yep. But everyone and their uncle wasn't going around flying a Jem'hadar attack ship.
So yes, I do believe CBS has some level of how common they think these ships should be. Lockboxes, like it or not is how PWE/Cryptic worked within the restrictions CBS places to allow popular non-faction ships to none the less be flown in their game. That is not going to change and constantly demanding it because you want the ship (without the lottery) isn't going to help. If anything it hurts your position, because all it does is prove to CBS that if given the opportunity, everyone and their mother WOULD be flying these ships.
Buy Zen for Master Keys, sell them on the Exchange, buy lockbox rewards from the Exchange.
I've also transferred a fair bit of dilithium to zen for the cause too, and again have purchased a whole bunch of keys though this route. Alas, once again, in an unsuccessful attempt. I would easily say I've opened well over 100 boxes in my time, though not once have I been lucky. I transferred dilithium because I refused to spend real money on chance. Chance wasn't working out for me in the slightest, so I figured I needed a cheaper route if I was going to get anywhere. As it turns out, that didn't work either.
As of last week, I devised a new strategy. Save using dilithium for zen, I'd go right into the exchange and buy some unlock keys from there (most of which came in at around 1.2 million a piece). I think, over the last two weeks or so, I've probably got through 25 - 35 keys, and again, nothing. I even exchanged just enough dilithium (again to zen) for a single 10-pack, though to no avail.
Did I come here and whine like a little kid? No. I figure the next best course of action is, as suggested, is to simply save up enough energy credits and buy the ship outright on the exchange. For most people, the lock boxes will TRIBBLE you over (as they have done me) but they are doing their purpose, people are buying them, and some are selling them on (maybe they like their energy credits). Whatever the reason, it's probably the lock boxes that are keeping the game going at the moment, because without them, the team wouldn't be getting as much money.
Thus, if you're not happy with the lock box results, do something about it instead of whining on here. You've not guaranteed a new nice ship, and Cryptic aren't obligated to give you one. You unlock these boxes and are either lucky, or unlucky. Nobody is forcing your hand in the matter, if you put real money into the game to buy the keys which in turn give you nothing, that's just tough luck. Suck it up.
Everyone can have every ship. You can buy them via EC. It's just about making them moderately difficult to get instead of handing over $20.
Wait a second - Cryptic never said you will get the value back from your key - in fact they never give any odds of winning the ship or how much lobi per box either.
Back when the Temporal Lock-box came out a player Levi3 did an experiment with 250 keys and recorded everything he got.
He got - NO ship out of 250 boxes(but other player results added to his the STOwiki was able to figure out the odds where about 1/180 of getting the ship)
He avg 5.5 lobi per box
So your 35 dollars is just a drop in the bucket to what some people pay. Although he was doing it just to show how terrible the results actually were since Cryptic does not have to release them for their gambling device.
P.S. On a side note I talked to Levi3 in game a few days back - was chatting in Zone chat on the starbase with some other people in their starbase and he came on and asked who we were - he did not know the the zone chat was for every Fed starbase and was wondering who was in his Solo base - LOL!
But even more crazy - He's back building again after taking 6 weeks off after Finishing his tier 3 solo starbase - he now is half-way to TIER 4!! And expects to have a Tier 4 solo starbase completed for the 3rd anniversry - talk about craziness - a solo Tier 4 starbase!
point is people pay for what they want.
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Exchange price for a key is usually in the 1.2-1.4M mark. So they'd have AT MOST 45M ec to spend. Never mind "get any of the lockbox ships other than the bug ship", I don't think there is one lockbox ship you can buy for 45M ec, excluding Mirror vessels and the Tuffli (which isn't technically a lockbox ship anyway).
I do agree with the sentiment that buying Z-store stuff to resell is the most cost-effective way to get a lockbox ship on average, but you'll need considerably more than 30 to get anything worthwhile (unless you have very good timing and pick up an "oops, missed a zero" bargain
I bought 2 Temporal sci vessels a week ago for $40 million each. They were $100 million when the boxes came out same as Recluse carrier - but if you wait a month or 2 they usuall drop in price by half.