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lirdek
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Hey ,
Ok I'm sorry to come again bout stfs but here's the dilema and sorry for the long post :
Aren't STFS supposed to be The 'Elite end-game event' ?
_I'll start with something very important that I still can't understand, even after we've seen so many angry players on forums about pug queues and failure at it :
Why on earth, don't you provide a detailed walkthrough on how doing the stfs so people don't just come to ELITE and TRIBBLE it up cause theyve never done it before the good way...
Having to go on google to find out players made walkthroughs is just ridiculous when you know one can be provided ingame. I'm not saying that the-best-way-of-doing-it-in-5-seconds has to be provided ; but at least a real basis scheme to start with and on wich you can play the stfs from A to Z.
Typical example of this is Infected Manus ( formerly Infected Ground Elite ) : Why do you have to go on google so we find out you guys placed trigger points that has to be passed a certain way so we won't fail optionnal?
Moreover why do you allow people to come on ELITE when they havent done a single NORMAL one? ( me included when I was new to the game )
Coud'nt we think of a system that will unlock elite after doing xx normal ones ?
Loot :
_ Dilithium has been reintroduced as reward; this is good and honestly 960 is quite ok ...
But I can't help asking myself: why Cryptic likes tricky things
... wouldnt 1000 round number have been easier for everyone?
And on events : how bout 600 or 700 ( instead of non-sense 640 player's point of view) ; or 400/500 instead of 480 ?
Why do the space events by the way reward less than ground? when you know that S7 first week was 1440 for everything?
_MK 10 GREEN and BLUE drops on ELITE stfs ? For real? come one I have seen PURPLE drops twice only since s7 was launched and they were MK10.
Sometimes they drop mk11 BLUE stuff. Sometimes....
This is ridiculous when you see the BigDig, Break planet, or other Minefield give endgame mk11 PURPLE and some times very rare mk12.
_ We are bored of cheating borg : all shields up, health full, buffs at max > one shot kill from gate/cube/ unimatrixes ? My ship beeing blown up on HiveOnslaught from 30 km away with invisible device?
_ Into the Hive : the boss room is so painfull and hard its is just not worth playing this stf...
People playing STFs is dramatically dropping .
_The Ground stfs are totally deserted ; Thanks to the new loot system . It's a fact these are way harder than space STFS, I do understand people don't want to play them. I for one, don't want to play them anymore for a such ridiculous items drop system.
Space stfs : People mostly play ISE cause its fast and easy.... What a shame.
Don't they like other stfs ? whats the deal?
_ This leads to something more interesting : people don't play events as much as they used to cause loot/endgame loot or dilithium drops have been reduced ... maybe , just saying , but maybe would it be that those events are not so fun to be played??? I'm ok with the whole grind part stuff, but this has to stay fun.
Simple example BigDig : since s7 has launched, and some dil has been introduced to it as reward is suddenly crowded... Same for the soooo boring Klingon scout force event.
Isnt this tip you up guys? Just saying....
I here think STFs are fun to be played. Honnest. Actually they really are fun to play.
But as for other stuff such as bigdig, klingon scout force or other dil rewarding events..; Hum...
Anyway, again this game is great and is evolving the good way; Criticisms are harsh yes, but they make things advancing as well
You guys are doing a GREAT WORK; I as a Star Trek fan think the game you made is GREAT ; So keep the good work , continue to release more good stuff and fix the issues; we'll be happy !
Many Thanks for the hard work.
Ok I'm sorry to come again bout stfs but here's the dilema and sorry for the long post :
Aren't STFS supposed to be The 'Elite end-game event' ?
_I'll start with something very important that I still can't understand, even after we've seen so many angry players on forums about pug queues and failure at it :
Why on earth, don't you provide a detailed walkthrough on how doing the stfs so people don't just come to ELITE and TRIBBLE it up cause theyve never done it before the good way...
Having to go on google to find out players made walkthroughs is just ridiculous when you know one can be provided ingame. I'm not saying that the-best-way-of-doing-it-in-5-seconds has to be provided ; but at least a real basis scheme to start with and on wich you can play the stfs from A to Z.
Typical example of this is Infected Manus ( formerly Infected Ground Elite ) : Why do you have to go on google so we find out you guys placed trigger points that has to be passed a certain way so we won't fail optionnal?
Moreover why do you allow people to come on ELITE when they havent done a single NORMAL one? ( me included when I was new to the game )
Coud'nt we think of a system that will unlock elite after doing xx normal ones ?
Loot :
_ Dilithium has been reintroduced as reward; this is good and honestly 960 is quite ok ...
But I can't help asking myself: why Cryptic likes tricky things
... wouldnt 1000 round number have been easier for everyone?And on events : how bout 600 or 700 ( instead of non-sense 640 player's point of view) ; or 400/500 instead of 480 ?
Why do the space events by the way reward less than ground? when you know that S7 first week was 1440 for everything?
_MK 10 GREEN and BLUE drops on ELITE stfs ? For real? come one I have seen PURPLE drops twice only since s7 was launched and they were MK10.
Sometimes they drop mk11 BLUE stuff. Sometimes....
This is ridiculous when you see the BigDig, Break planet, or other Minefield give endgame mk11 PURPLE and some times very rare mk12.
_ We are bored of cheating borg : all shields up, health full, buffs at max > one shot kill from gate/cube/ unimatrixes ? My ship beeing blown up on HiveOnslaught from 30 km away with invisible device?
_ Into the Hive : the boss room is so painfull and hard its is just not worth playing this stf...
People playing STFs is dramatically dropping .
_The Ground stfs are totally deserted ; Thanks to the new loot system . It's a fact these are way harder than space STFS, I do understand people don't want to play them. I for one, don't want to play them anymore for a such ridiculous items drop system.
Space stfs : People mostly play ISE cause its fast and easy.... What a shame.
Don't they like other stfs ? whats the deal?
_ This leads to something more interesting : people don't play events as much as they used to cause loot/endgame loot or dilithium drops have been reduced ... maybe , just saying , but maybe would it be that those events are not so fun to be played??? I'm ok with the whole grind part stuff, but this has to stay fun.
Simple example BigDig : since s7 has launched, and some dil has been introduced to it as reward is suddenly crowded... Same for the soooo boring Klingon scout force event.
Isnt this tip you up guys? Just saying....
I here think STFs are fun to be played. Honnest. Actually they really are fun to play.
But as for other stuff such as bigdig, klingon scout force or other dil rewarding events..; Hum...
Anyway, again this game is great and is evolving the good way; Criticisms are harsh yes, but they make things advancing as well
You guys are doing a GREAT WORK; I as a Star Trek fan think the game you made is GREAT ; So keep the good work , continue to release more good stuff and fix the issues; we'll be happy !
Many Thanks for the hard work.
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I agree with your comments regarding the STF loot and current system. If I want loot i'll just grind SB24, yes I can make more dilithium running ISE (no point running any other others if you have multiple characters as your cooldown is complete by the time you run the other characters) but with EC and fleet marks being more valuable, I only run STF's for Omega Marks now.
Re people joining eSTF's without a clue...you'll always get this in agame that caters for such a wide player age range. I'm in my 30's and I actually didn't do even normal SFT's until I read up on them, not because I was scared, but becasue I didn't want to ruin the experience for others. I then spent a fair while doing the normals before graduating up to elites.
The issue at the moment seems to be balance for the Dev's. Everything seems to be pitched at a players having a single character on their account. You need to get your OM's, your RM's, your FM's, your EC and your dilithium. Yes this does encourage more diverse play, but as I have to do this across 4 characters it leaves me either feeling like i'm lagging behind (and thus this is more like work) or it makes me feel my goals won't be met (so why bother logging in?)
Because learning the right way to do a dungeon/STF/instance/whatever is a an important part of the games. When a new dungeon is avalaible only the best of the best will be initially able to finish it. The rest will have to get better or wait for guides and walktroughs.
That is a really stupid idea because there a lot of players with several characters. If you are good enough you don't need to do normal for gear etc. You can do Elite with white equipment.
Because ground is harder than space?
Because on STF you get the Borg neural thing which you need for the MKXII equipment projects in the reputation system
The heavy plasma torp will follow you a long way xD Most instakill happens because you didn't pay enough attention. Sometimes they just crit really hard. Will be nerfed in the next patch. Sometimes there is a bug. **** happens ;-)
Aha? I got the impression that more people are playing ESTF because I spent less waiting for the start of an ESTF
People like doing the same content over and over again? As stated above I spent a lot less time of waiting.
Nah, that's just your impression. Or you are living in a real bad timezone for STO xD
in cumulation with the uber-grinding required now to achieve anything I almost stopped playing altogether
nowadays I am usually just loggin on, start a few DOFF missions and exit again
anything else feels like a second job in STO now and that is no fun anymore
With 5 STF's you get 4800 Dill, 5 Borg Neurol Processors for another 1000 Dill and 350 Omega Marks for more Dill with the new patch. You get dill for the reputation system. You get loot which you can sell for EC's.
I'm glad for the new reputation system. I don't need to grind STF's anymore. 10min ISE and 5min Tau Dewa Daily gets everything I need for the reputations system. The rest of my time is used by MWO, foundry, storymissions or grinding with friends for the starbases :-)
I mean, you are such of a non objective fancy like dude; I'll pass over.
Remember we are in the feedbacks..;adressed to devs, not to kevin-like players that can make a sense of a little bit of objectivity.
so you area glad you have time to play other game and not have to grind STF to grind for fleet.... :rolleyes:
well since you like quotes..; Before saying it's stupid
_ Can't be good enough when you start stfs for first times; but you are so smart i guess.
_ you know, coding a lock for first time player overall toons/characters account shoudnt be a really hard thing to do.
_ hmmm tell me then why ELITE arent available before lvl 50 ? isnt this a kind of a ... lock?
BTW please tell me you love doing klingon scout force...
Glad anyway that you love this game in any part of it... with guys like you perfect game does exists !
This whole trade bout feedback is then irelevant !
STO is hardly a perfect game xD I played betas with less bugs -.-
When a new player is doing STF's for the first time, why should he doing ESTF? Just stay out of it. I did normal STF until I met some friendly souls who did the ESTF with me. Learning how to do them and getting better was fun :-) If you really need a walktrough, use this fantastic fanmade site: http://www.stoacademy.com/walkthrough/stf/
I'm sure that the devs could code a lock for new players. But in my opinion this is just a waste of time which the devs could use to fixes some bugs or implement new content.
Oh, and whining is not feedback -.-
Why should I love Klingon scout force? It's boring and takes to long . Even for the 2 MK XI purples.
my theory is - they took the old version of STF's into the update.. and they did erase the newer used versions, cause - we took an old version, so we're ok.
now they have to reprogram the changes they did make a year ago..
not a funny job, but who has not in head, has to walk the way twice..
Totally agree...S7 killed STFs and inflated Dil for all :mad:as well
Just a quick reply on one particular point that I can speak to on my own, though plenty of my fleetmates agree.
I am of the number of people who ground Elite STFs for a very long time to get mkXII equipment, dilithium and set tech. When you've done, literally, hundreds of Elites, the novelty is worn into nonexistence, and I'm saying this as a roleplayer in STO. The fun, the enjoyment, the challenge..it's all rote after hundreds of runs and you can play them with your eyes closed, usually trying to make them interesting again by doing things like going through all-melee.
The only reason to keep doing those other now-boring STFs pre-S6 when the interest died was because they were the only way to get unique rewards. Now you no longer have that restriction. Why would I want to organize for CGE or IGE when I can just sneeze on ISE once in awhile now that the other STFs no longer give me any unique reason to play them?
Even Cryptic acknowledged that they'd have to make the other, more complicated (than Infected Space and Khitomer Ground) STFs more appealing should it turn out that players stop playing them with the new system.
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