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eisenw0lf
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Tier 5
Hull: 24,750
Shield Modifier: 0.88
Turnrate: 23
Enhanced Battlecloak
Console Layout:
4 Engineering
3 Science
3 Tactical
Costs 5 fleet modules; 1 fleet module if the player owns the regular B'rel Retrofit.
This ships seems great ... except for the console layout. Who the hell needs 4 engineering consoles on a Bird of Prey?
Hull: 24,750
Shield Modifier: 0.88
Turnrate: 23
Enhanced Battlecloak
Console Layout:
4 Engineering
3 Science
3 Tactical
Costs 5 fleet modules; 1 fleet module if the player owns the regular B'rel Retrofit.
This ships seems great ... except for the console layout. Who the hell needs 4 engineering consoles on a Bird of Prey?
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At least with the Tactical Escort Retrofit, you get the cloak console that can be used with the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit.
But the main question is why does it get a fourth engineering console? Why not science or tactical? It can't tank anyway and it doesn't need an RCS console with its high innate turnrate.
Then I'd put it another Flow Capacitor to boost my Tachyon Beam 3 and Aceton Assimilator drains. I could consider putting in a Particle Generator console to boost the Aceton Assimilator radiation damage as well.
Or get that Zero-Point Energy Conduit console.
This doesn't really matter. It gets destroyed when shot at thanks to the low hullpoints of BoP's in general, even a fourth armor console won't change that.
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
I'll get it regardless, just love the B'rel. Maybe the isometric charge will find it's way onto this ship
Still this thing is, even without the EBC, superior to the Hegh'ta. Sweet.
Glass cannon award now goes to the Fleet BoP at Tier shipyard III ... the one with LESS hull than a frakkin runabout.
U.S.S. Maelstrom, NCC-71417 (Constitution III-class/flagship) --- Fleet Admiral Hauk' --|-- Dahar Master Hauk --- I.K.S. qu'In 'an bortaS (D7-class / flagship)
R.I.P
I bet no more than 5 KDF fleets make it to T5 in the next 6 months
Yeah, we get a discount. . .that's a discount in name only. You had to buy the friggin B'Rel retrofit anyways, which is 2k zen at regular prices. Only way you're saving zen is if you bought the ship on sale. TBH, the same goes for the Federation discounted ships too, it's all a farce.
As it is, all this ship seems to gain is a few k hitpoints, an engineering console, and a shield mod improvement. Big whoop. You might as well save yourself the 500 zen/4-5 million EC and stick with the B'Rel retrofit.
You wanna know why no one buys Klingon ships, its because you suck at giving us ships worth buying.
No Doubt... if it had some higher function to use or possibly if it came with some console that assisted in its function as a projectile boat... then it might be worth it but 2400 hull and marginal shield increase and a whopping engineering console its not worth a pot to pee in.
The real reason other than those mentioned of why they can't make money on the KDF is that they try to see how crappy of a ship the KDF will buy and that they can get the least amount of fed only players to not say its so OP PLEASE NERF IT!!!
So yeah if they went toward giving it what it deserves and making it reasonable which the KDF players are reasonable its just that when you give unreasonable reasons such as ships like this for a KDF player to buy it just looks like there is no market for it. Is kind of like if I went to a junkyard and took a pinto and slapped a new coat of paint on it and then tried to sell it to you for a million dollars... I am pretty sure you will not buy it because its still junk... just prettier junk than it used to be
I don't even understand what your trying to say. That I like the Bortasque? We need better fleet escorts and sci ships, including a fleet version of the Kar'fi. Battlecruisers and BoPs need not apply, especially when you're going to design them like a nimrod.
SIF Generator: to help repair your TRIBBLE while you GTFO and cloak up
Bam! Another use for that 4th Engineering Console.
And also, the B'rel can used Bridge officer and Captain abilities that can't be used under just some normal Battle Cloak. So you could raise up the ships damage resistance even more with Hazard Emitters, Auxiliary to Structural Integrity, and other abilities.
And why you all ******** about this in the first place? We finally have Fleet ships that you can potentially have a discount on, both have been asked for since Season Six, and now that Cryptic has given them to you, you want to ***** about it?
Mick Jagger is right: "You can't get no satisfaction"
Yeah, gimmicky nonsense builds. Klingon's don't have enough meat and potatos to be serving us strawberry shortcake. And no, I don't know that they'll never give us a 5 tac console equivalent(I didn't realize having a decent equivilent of a 5 tac ship was a "Bug killer"). I have no idea how you get the idea that asking for decent ships is whining, so you can go fly a kite.
A SIF generator. Are you kidding me?
Cause it's terrible. It takes a gimmicky ship and makes it even more gimmicky, and it doesn't even improve it's functionality because it gives it a retardo extra console. I don't give a damn about discounts, i want a decent ship that I might actually buy.
BTW no, I'm not kidding you about the SIF Generator. A small boost can spell the difference between living to blow things up another day and your assailant bathing in your debris. Same with a 4th engineering console being used for armor: even a small difference can mean staying alive
For instance, you could buy cross faction consoles from the exchange. Assimilated Module, as far as I can tell, can still be earned from Assimilated, or can be bought from the Omega store. Zero-Point Energy Conduit can also be bought from the Romulan reputation store.
You know as well as I do that nobody is going to use that extra ENG console for an armor or SIF console. It's going to be used as a universal console, because a SIF or armor console on a 24k hull ship is such a marginal difference that its nearly negligible. That was my point.
I came off like the B'rel is a bad ship. That was a mistake, of course it's not,, its a solid PvP ship. I'm just really dislike that we arent filling actual holes in our lineup when given the chance. For instance, I agree that raptors are terrible, that's why we need a fleet ship to step up and fill the hole that our glut of mediocre raptors currently reside in. Turning one of our Naussican destroyers into a fleet ship and giving it an aggressive layout would have been a good move. Right now we have to turn to lock box ships like the Jem'hadar and temporal destroyer.
I understand why there are certain PvP players that might really dig this ship. Having said that, the B'rel is largely used as a gimmick torpedo ship to make Feds rage in Kerrat. If you fit a B'rel in a method thats more standard for a BoP, your only getting minor side grades to BoPs that already exist and fill those niches. The KDF has some huge holes in its ship lineup, this is not a ship we need.
Plus, BoPs just aren't great PvE ships, and like it or not this is primarily a PvE game. How many people are going to actually spend the money on this PvP oriented ship? I can't even get a queue to pop most nights. If you want to generate large scale interest so people get excited and are willing to spend money, you need to put in a ship that also appeals to PvEers. Something like an fleet Garamba or a Karfi would do that.
But if we are going to add this ship to the lineup, at least do it the right way. Give it a sci console so that someone might actually use something other than a universal in that slot, I can understand why it might not warrant a tac console (because its gimmicky nature would probably make it OP). The extra eng console will be used for a universal. Sure, you could put other stuff in there and see minor gains, but it won't be enough to sway people from using it as a universal on a BoP. At best, someone might use a tachoykentic, which is still a universal with an eng turn console built in.