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squishkin
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While at Red Alert, we can't transport out, we can't use full impulse, and can't depart a system. Quite honestly, this is the single thing that frustrates me most about STO, and there seems to be no reasonable purpose for it whatsoever.
Aside from the fact that there's no good story/canon reason why you can't transport out under fire (After all, it's not a great way to escape from a tricky situation :rolleyes:), it makes the game incredibly frustrating at points.
Some examples:
1. While doing the Tau Dewa Sector Block patrols, I have to defeat five waves of enemy ships. When the last ship is destroyed, I receive a hail telling me my presence is no longer required... but I can't leave the system because I'm still at Red Alert. So I have to dawdle about until the computer decides to clear Red Alert. What's the point of that?
2. While doing the Vault Ensnared, we have to chase down the Vault Weavers which are all over a very large area. Unfortunately for me, I can't boost into full impulse half the time because either I'm taking fire or waiting for Red Alert to cool off, which means that I am left ambling around at mediocre speed in frustration.
With the 'leave zone' issue- Warp/Transport out- it doesn't make sense to prevent us doing it at Red Alert. The primary use I can see is to leave a mission, either because you want to abort it or because you're finished. The whole Red Alert prevents this mechanic doesn't add anything and is just a waste of everyone's time.
With the full impulse, full impulse already has tradeoffs. You can't use your weapons at full impulse and it causes a huge hit to power drain on other systems. Basically, apparently in STO Starfleet Command has decided that the Federation never runs away from a fight, so they're going to cripple your engines if someone is firing on you. :mad: (I don't know what the KDF's excuse is).
Not only is this nonsensical, it gets in the way of a meaningful tactical tradeoff which is often totally worthwhile, especially, for example, in Vault Ensnared or Khitomer Accord Space where you may be harrassed by a target you can't/ don't need to engage (a gate or random little Tholian ships) and just need to move around quickly.
So yes. Get rid of this silly restriction and let us use our Shift-R key at our own pleasure!
Aside from the fact that there's no good story/canon reason why you can't transport out under fire (After all, it's not a great way to escape from a tricky situation :rolleyes:), it makes the game incredibly frustrating at points.
Some examples:
1. While doing the Tau Dewa Sector Block patrols, I have to defeat five waves of enemy ships. When the last ship is destroyed, I receive a hail telling me my presence is no longer required... but I can't leave the system because I'm still at Red Alert. So I have to dawdle about until the computer decides to clear Red Alert. What's the point of that?
2. While doing the Vault Ensnared, we have to chase down the Vault Weavers which are all over a very large area. Unfortunately for me, I can't boost into full impulse half the time because either I'm taking fire or waiting for Red Alert to cool off, which means that I am left ambling around at mediocre speed in frustration.
With the 'leave zone' issue- Warp/Transport out- it doesn't make sense to prevent us doing it at Red Alert. The primary use I can see is to leave a mission, either because you want to abort it or because you're finished. The whole Red Alert prevents this mechanic doesn't add anything and is just a waste of everyone's time.
With the full impulse, full impulse already has tradeoffs. You can't use your weapons at full impulse and it causes a huge hit to power drain on other systems. Basically, apparently in STO Starfleet Command has decided that the Federation never runs away from a fight, so they're going to cripple your engines if someone is firing on you. :mad: (I don't know what the KDF's excuse is).
Not only is this nonsensical, it gets in the way of a meaningful tactical tradeoff which is often totally worthwhile, especially, for example, in Vault Ensnared or Khitomer Accord Space where you may be harrassed by a target you can't/ don't need to engage (a gate or random little Tholian ships) and just need to move around quickly.
So yes. Get rid of this silly restriction and let us use our Shift-R key at our own pleasure!
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There would be no purpose for these abilities if you could go to full impulse in combat.
But as for the beaming thing there is always the valid excuse 'ship is under fire.. no droppy shields for transporters) buuuut then again that has been completely ignored in some tv shows on occasion (i vaugely remeber VOY having a few instance, but dont remeber when ^^)
I can also see full impulsing away in a PVP match to be most irritating
Guess you just gotta make do with eating an engine battery and evasive manueve the hell out of there
Or of course just shift all power to engines and evasive*, if you wish to save on engine batteries
It doesn't create danger, it just makes things incredibly inconvenient for everybody.
What your asking for is ability to drop to 'green alert' where NO POWER is going to shields and weapons, thus more available to engines.
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I would also agree that once all the enemy ships are dead / exploded, we should be able to use full impulse, instead of waiting however long.
I guess the best solution is to reduce the time we're at Red Alert. That way, there's no question of using it combat, but it's also better for people that don't like sitting around.
In PvE queue missions, you get a "Leave map" button and a timer on the screen at the end and can click it to beam/warp out immediately, even in combat.
In other missions, you get a message from some character or other telling you to leave, with a button to do exactly that, but selecting it before the red alert times out will just throw an error message.
Why?
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If I haven't taken any hits in five seconds and the people I just helped are telling me that the area is clear and offering thanks, why am i still at red alert?
About the only serious criticism you have here is with missions like Vault Ensnared. You know what you do in situations like that? You press that little button that's called 'evasive maneuvers', and you amble your space whale (I assume that's what you're flying) out of range. It's 10 friggin seconds to get out of Red Alert, you can wait that long.
Or, even better, just get an Impulse Capacitance Cell (if possible), aim yourself in the right direction, and vroom across 50km of space in a few seconds. Combine with evasive maneuvers right afterwards for extra win.
The 'cooldown' on Red Alert has a purpose, they're not gonna get rid of it because some players can't possibly stand waiting a few more seconds to Kirk it out.
So what is that purpose, exactly?
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Removing the no FI rule means an insane buff to anything that specializes in hit and run. So let's not go down that path.
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Agreed. It'll make sense to stay at red alert a little while after the action, but it only needs to be a few seconds - as it is it feels like an age.
Especially for me. I'm an engineer and one of the few people in the game who actually heals other ships in FA's, and it's real irritating to be late for fights because healing team-mates keeps me in red alert longer.
Or They could setup PvP and PvE flags in the system so the current timer stays for when in PvP matches and the primary flag is toggled for halftime when in PvE.
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Make sure your engine power is boosted when you hit those. If you're on the default Attack power setting, they won't do much. But with 75 - 100 engine power, you zoom away pretty swiftly.
Ah, if only there was a PvP and PvE flag for every power. It would make life so much easier. For the players, anyway - although maybe for the devs, too, since they wouldn't have to walk some fine line between making powers that are not too much for PvP but still awesome in PvE. Just give every controversial power a PvP and a PvE version.
It's only 10 seconds, unless you get shot at again or activate certain abilities.
15, actually.
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If you match the shield harmonics of your origin and destination *exactly* and you create a tiny hole in the shields large enough for the transporter beam to go through but without having to drop shields completely, then you can transport with 'shields up' without a noticeable drop in defense.
You can even transport with shields up on both target and destination while you're both traveling at warp speed. Torres (Engineer) from Voyager perfected this technique during the many hostile alien encounters in the Delta Quadrant.
For obvious balance reasons, this functionality isn't present in STO.
Full Impulse at Red Alert doesn't seem ideal. Instead, allowing us to cancel Red Alert at any time is a better proposition (since that way you can't use FI to run away from a losing fight).
Essentially, the strategy of space combat is RISK. If you go offensive you're taking the risk of biting off more than you can chew. If you go full shield-power then you have slightly less damage output but higher survivability. It is the tradeoff that you get from making choices.
I do agree that letting us cancel Red Alert after all hostiles are destroyed would be pretty sweet. I'm taking a random guess that it would break a few scripted things on their end if they were to do this outside of certain limited instances (like at the end of SB24 space fleet actions).
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