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Romulan Faction/KDF expansion: No more C-store KDF ships for awhile
born2bwild1
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From this months Ask Cryptic:
Lots of wait and see, maybe, it's my goal, would like to -yadda yadda yadda - but there is some good stuff - kinda sorta - maybe
Then this - which seems lame given the last quote
But wait don't get your hopes up he says this soon after:
so back in a circle - round and round we go.
And the Big NO KDF SHIPs issue - finally admits to losing money on KDF ships:
Lots of wait and see, maybe, it's my goal, would like to -yadda yadda yadda - but there is some good stuff - kinda sorta - maybe
If we were to make a Romulan Faction, we would want them to have their own storyline and mission structure as well as their own ships so that it would feel different than playing a FED or KDF character. We?ll just have to wait and see!
There are some Klingon only Episodes we are discussing but we haven?t set a timeframe that we can share with you yet.
Then this - which seems lame given the last quote
Personally, I?m still very committed to ensuring the KDF has levels 1-50, more so than I can even publicly talk about because it would involve going into details about all the internal conversations I?ve had within the company about this topic. It is my goal as EP to make this happen and the only thing that I can give you is that I?m fighting for it and want to do it. It just isn?t official yet.
But wait don't get your hopes up he says this soon after:
(vawlkus) Please tell me there?s a timeline to get Klingon?s back to starting at level 1. I flat our refuse to start a new character at level 20. Even if the missions aren?t there, let us figure out our way upwards.
Dstahl: Totally agree with you and I?m working on it getting it approved and have been ever since I returned as EP. I?m not giving up on this.
so back in a circle - round and round we go.
And the Big NO KDF SHIPs issue - finally admits to losing money on KDF ships:
The Ferengi faction was the joke, but the kickstarter idea is something we?ve discussed because with only so many artists on the team, there is a massive backlog of ships that players want and only so many we can make. However, if we used a kickstarter model, we could potentially add more resources to getting ships that a majority of players want to see in game. Heck there might even be a future when externally designed ships could gain enough player interest that they would end up in STO. The Vesta and Odyssey class starships are a good example of this. It may also help us determine which KDF ships to make, because there have been several KDF ships that we actually lost money on unfortunately. This is one of the reasons why we are holding off on making a ton more KDF ships because we really need to get more KDF players into the game and that is a much bigger issue
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Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
He seems to be indicating that KDF ships are one area where they might take pre-order pledges or a kickstarter type deal, as opposed to the alternative of none or waiting for the KDF to grow.
I think if they try a preorder system there, they WILL quickly find that it's a better way to do these things, possibly for all future C-Store items on the whole.
So, for example, maybe you preorder for 1800 ZEN.
If you wait it out, you get 150 Lobi when it finishes and the ship for 1800 ZEN.
Then once complete, it goes up on the C-Store for 2500 ZEN.
If it doesn't get the needed number of pre-orders in 3 months, you get 75 Lobi and your ZEN back. Or you can withdraw your preorder at any time (but will get no Lobi for doing so).
So preordering gets you a discount and Lobi. If the preorders get canned by Cryptic, you get Lobi. You can withdraw your preorder at any time during the planning phase but get nothing if you do.
How would that sound?
Do we really want more tier 3 fleetships for 2000 zen ? (I wonder how thay lost money on this, DOH)
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
If a for-profit company wants to make money off other people's money, what does it do? It sells stock. A kickstarter project is like an IPO, except you don't get stock. So we're being asked to give PWE money, for them to spend as they see fit, for no certain gain, while also being charged for the final product. LOL.
Anyone who supports this proposal needs to have the words "TAKE MY MONEY PLEASE" tattooed on their forehead.
No -my posts seem to be more pro-KDF than his - and this post shows the run around the KDF are getting yet again from Mr Shahl - why would you think that? All i can think of is the post he had awhile back in the KDF forum about No more C-store KDF ships - but this is different as I think "awhile" means - hopefully there will be one in the next year. Since i just got the B'rel on sale I would prefer a Fleet B'rel next though.
I am kind of pissed that there are no KDF Fleet ships that I know of which don't require 4 modules - that's stupid!
Well, almost everything ON Kickstarter is by for-profit entities.
And we're talking a pledging system to get stuff made. Not an actual Kickstarter. Mattel has taken to doing this with collector grade items.
Selling stock would put control in shareholders' hands, who would push for the very kinds of increased monetization this community chafes against.
The shareholder position would probably be to shut the KDF down rather than hemorrhage money on it. It's player backing that will make these kinds of things work.
This is something that should be done - they have stunted the growth of the KDF from birth - there is nothing that can be done at this point to bring it up to critical mass it's just to little to late.
But if KDF players saw that they could actually get a ship by pre-ordering from a small selection it would work - and they could also post the numbers of orders they need to make it work and how many are signed up so the KDF player base can push their own to pledge more to get the ships made.
also forcing people to invitest time in a faction before you can unlock the other is stupid and lets face it why go back and start again when u have already invested so much time on your fed toon and prob money too.
they have no right to use less players argument its their own fault. anyting that was unquie and successful on the kdf side is repackaged and sold to the feds.
the idea of a romulan faction is laughable they cant even manage two never mind three factions.
ps
make a good kdf ship i will buy it.
for a while now i have refused to play or buy anything fed til they treat the factions as equal. i guess the best we can hope for is kdf ship in lockbox with some excuse for feds to fly it too.
RIGHT !
Make a good ship- I'll buy it.
Make fleet module discount apply to something- I'll buy them AND a c-store ship
recycle a nice skin and give it some good stats (cough, k'oro Tinga) SOLD, and you saved a ton of dev money.
-get the idea ?
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Maybe I should be looking at instance data vs feds to judge numbers but shrug. Losing money? I find that hard to believe. More like not enough money made vs fed ships, sounds about right.
As long as it don't have cruiser stats.
:P
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
I think if you went back to the last years worth of talking about the KDF you would see the exact same words to ever question about the KDF - season 8 is looking more and more promising.
As far as Ships go Stoleviathan99 has come up with the only credible solution - a pre-order type of system to gage whether enough people will buy the ship to make it - Mr Stahl has said it's just not profitable to risk it so it is up to the KDF player base to show him that it is - if you wait on Mr Stahls promises you better have a rocking chair and wheel chair ordered as well becasue that's how old you will be. It's a business and he is accountable for not producing losses.
Hmm Mr Stahl if you are reading this: Fleet B'rel - hint hint, wink wink, nudge nudge
Then it was, "we are planning S8".
Then it was "We are trying to make time to fix the kdf".
It isn't happening.
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1. Full 1-50 campaign, preferably with an intro tutorial that makes sense for a warrior of the Empire, not the guided tour of First City we have now.
2. Fill in ship parity gaps with the Feds. Starfleet has tons of special ships and the Klingons keep getting short changed.
Actually the KDF has WAAAAAAAAAYYYY more great c-store ships up to T5 - then it just falls off a cliff - all the great consoles everyone uses are from lower ranked ships that they just take the console and fly the few T5+ ships
It's the T5+ that need the new ships.
P.S. On a side note - with my new B'Rel I bought today can I drop a Aceton without fully de-cloaking? If so i will get the gorn ship with that console.
Vocal KDF player? Nah, I just have bovine extrement allergy is all.
Well such a polite way of saying Mr Stahl is just spewing out S*** about doing anything with the KDF again!
Good assessment.
I'll go even further: Cryptic is exhibiting, once again, that it is a cashgrab, not a MMO maker.
Look at other MMOs, from the pre-WoW days to today and you will notice one thing: they come complete out of the box.
Sure, sure, the company keeps adding content, but the out-of-the-box content is at least sufficient to hold until an expansion is produced:
1. Endgame.
Other companies: Basic endgame in place. Early-cycle Endgame is usually pretty thin, but after 2-3 years it no longer is.
Cryptic: CoH/CoV had very little endgame content right to the end (I know, wasn't Cryptic at the end, but still, they didn't introduce it when they were in charge) and how long have we been running on 3 meager STFs?
2. Factions.
OCs: Not all MMOs are factional, but those that are tend to have at least 2 complete factions at launch. More can be added later, but 2 full factions are the bare minimum to work.
Cryptic: Well, long after release, STO is still running on 1.5 factions.
3. Story content.
OCs: Not all MMOs have much story content, but those that do tend to release it fast enough for casual gamers. Hardcore gamers will always catch up quickly, though: story content, unlike endgame content, always takes longer to make than play through.
Cryptic: Play a couple of hours every months and you'll catch up.
At this point, I just wish the IP had landed in the lap of another company/publisher. Blizzard, SOE, Square-Enix, NCSoft,... take your pick: they all have their flaws, but at least they don't release such fractional content.
Edit: Just for fun, let's postulate STO handled by those companies:
- Blizzard: story even more manichean and poorly-written than it currently is, childish visuals, 2 full-fledged factions (never a 3rd one, though: once you've got your "good" faction and "bad" faction, that's it for Blizzard), much more endgame content, excellent marketting, much fewer bugs and relatively good community relations.
Jar-Jar Binks soon shows up and slowly replaces every NPC.
- Square-Enix: great and expansive story, realistic but bland visuals, no factions, even worse marketting, tons of endgame content (tons of content overall), fewer bugs, much slower levelling, lower droprates, no balance whatsoever, no community relations.
Caitians and Ferasans are female-only, but included at launch and the Crystalline Entitiy becomes a Tentacular Entity.
- NCSoft: not much story, very good visuals (initially), every race is its own faction but factions only really differ in aesthetics, very good marketting, decent content, fewer bugs, much much much slower levelling, decent balance (due to extreme similarities in Races and Classes), no community relations.
Feeding tubes enclosed in the package for long gaming sessions.
I guess we'll have to deal with hopes and dreams for a long time then. After each Q&A it's yes, then no, then later, then yes, no, later, etc. :mad:
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
Aye...good kdf ship is right...one of the things they like to point out is the Oddy sold alot better than the Bort...well what do they expect when the Bort is so inferior to the Oddy.
The Bort is contrary to everything a KDF battlecruiser is...They are faster and more agile but give up defense in the process...the Bort is just a space whale that is only more maneuverable than that flying moon voquv.
The Oddy just beats the Bort in every single way except number of tac consoles, add that ontop of more fed players. They shouldn't be shocked the Bortasqu' didn't do as well.
"I'm still fighting" translates to "not going to happen in the current environment."
My deal is, if they wanted to make it happen, it would.
You expect us to believe there is some dark-side overlord standing over you preventing you from doing it? Seriously?!
BWAHAHAHAHA.....
This is his answer: but this video is a likeness to his reaction when reading it for the first time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4
Thx for the original link Neoakirii
creation is the only cost, any modeler, texture artist could bang out one in a day~> easy. 2 or 3 at most. so...8 hour day, 3 days at most 24 hours. multiplied by whatever their designers make per hour. sold at $10 to $25 bucks a pop. bought a kar'fi and a bortasqu' myself, $45 right there. seen tons of kar'fi's, bops (z-store version) and borts around.
more than enough to pay the salaries/per hour wages of those involved in creation.
just wtf. someone needs to have asked stahl what he thinks the average iq of the people who play this game is...bet that would have been enlightening...if he actually answered honestly.
and even the losing money part, is cryptics fault for not have the content and the restrictions on when you can create a klingon character because of that lack of content. said it in another post, the kdf issue that cryptic claims is a problem is entirely because of their mismanagement of the faction and lack of support coupled with ridiculous restrictions.
artificially induced, attempting to claim it's under performing when it has no where near the same amount of attention by cryptic as the federation side is utterly TRIBBLE. can only compare (logically at least) when 2 things are more or less equal. they aren't, not by any stretch of the imagination, and in fact heavily weighted towards federation with more ships, content, and that restriction unlocking kdf.
just...wow, can't believe people like this are allowed to be responsible for anything with such muddy thinking or outright lying. politics yea, but not a business, not a consumer based business.
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