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Soon the KDF will get MACO shield and Plasmonic Leech

levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
A few weeks ago there was a MASSIVE rage thread that ended up getting shut down because KDF players were up in arms that the Feds might be getting the Plasmonic leech and how this mated with Fed's MACO shield would be a "Game Breaker" (it was just a rumor!!)

A few weeks later and the shoe is not only on the other foot but it is no rumor:

The KDF will get the New MACO shield with its massive boost to the Plasmonic Leech.

Of course not a Peep from the 50 odd pages of KDF rage thread posters when it was just a rumor that the Feds would get it.

Now that THEY are getting it - all is quit hoping no-one on the Fed side will cause a stir and bring up this KDF termed "Game Breaking" change to the Dev's attention.

So are we going to have a 50+ page Fed rant about this confirmed balance "game-breaking" power change in favor of the KDF?

Should the KDF be allowed to get the MACO shield which boosts the Plasmonic leech by insane amounts?
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  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited November 2012
    yes , i believe they should
    federation cant get all the toys , all the time


    give the klingons shinies too
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Yeah, I thought about this when I first heard it.


    That's the way the wheel turns. :P
  • pyryckpyryck Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Wonder how the Vesta's Super-Duper-Perfectly-Impervious Shielding ability will work against the MACO+Plasmonic leech attack?

    Oh, wait, KDF can't use Vesta...guess PvP is still unbalanced and broke and unplayable and useless. :rolleyes:
  • staq16staq16 Member Posts: 1,181 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Well... fair point, you can't blame an asset-starved KDF community for being &^%* that one of our few percieved advantages was disappearing.

    I take it you also think that it's a bad idea for the Federation to get the Honour Guard set?
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  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited November 2012
    pyryck wrote: »
    Wonder how the Vesta's Super-Duper-Perfectly-Impervious Shielding ability will work against the MACO+Plasmonic leech attack?

    Oh, wait, KDF can't use Vesta...guess PvP is still unbalanced and broke and unplayable and useless. :rolleyes:

    said shield that enables the vesta class to do diddly squat except run while its up ?

    just kill it when it runs out lol
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    And Feds will be getting Plasmodic Leech for a couple million EC on the exchange in a lockbox or two.

    I wouldn't sweat it. It's mainly a PvP issue and you'll go nuts if you sweat PvP balance too hard in this game.

    What PvP really needs is a solid matchmaking system.
  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Yup, balance.

    Feds get the Vesta, KDF gets M.A.C.O shields.


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  • captainbmoneycaptainbmoney Member Posts: 1,323 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    You should know by now its only a game breaker when Feds have it.

    Yeah like all the frakkin whiners who keep asking for Battle Cloak on their defiants. We got carriers through whining on feds. if they continue they will take EVERY ASSET of the KDF.

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  • kalvorax#3775 kalvorax Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    KDF gets new equipment...feds get new ship...its a win win lol

    both of which are OP to match hahahaha
  • lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 741 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Yeah like all the frakkin whiners who keep asking for Battle Cloak on their defiants. We got carriers through whining on feds. if they continue they will take EVERY ASSET of the KDF.

    Harr harr harr.

    Me want battlecloak on my MVAE.
  • pyryckpyryck Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Yeah like all the frakkin whiners who keep asking for Battle Cloak on their defiants. We got carriers through whining on feds. if they continue they will take EVERY ASSET of the KDF.

    ...at the rate things are going with Cryptic, the Feds won't be taking just the KDF assets, they'll even be taking the KDF itself! :P

    Of course there too goes any other playable faction ever created for STO. :(
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Yeah like all the frakkin whiners who keep asking for Battle Cloak on their defiants. We got carriers through whining on feds. if they continue they will take EVERY ASSET of the KDF.

    I want the Galaxy-R to not suck anymore.
  • bubblygumsworthbubblygumsworth Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Yeah like all the frakkin whiners who keep asking for Battle Cloak on their defiants. We got carriers through whining on feds. if they continue they will take EVERY ASSET of the KDF.

    The new Adapted Honour Guard Space set's three part power will be like an AoE Advanced Battle Cloak. (There is your battle cloak feds, take it or leave it).
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    You should know by now its only a game breaker when Feds have it.

    Well it seems that is the rage idea presented by the KDF

    This combo could be put on any KDF ship - which was their reason for screaming at the Dev's NOT to allow it for the FEDs

    But now that they can have it and the Feds can't - it's no longer - "game-breaking?"
  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    cynder2012 wrote: »
    KDF gets new equipment...feds get new ship...its a win win lol

    both of which are OP to match hahahaha

    That is not a valid argument. The KDF players were so upset because if the Feds got the Plasmonic Leech with the MACO shield - this "game-breaking" combo could go on ANY Fed ship.

    But Now the KDF will get this "game-breaking" feature for ALL KDF ships - but it's ok for them - but not for the Feds to have?

    That is logical!
  • captainbmoneycaptainbmoney Member Posts: 1,323 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    The new Adapted Honour Guard Space set's three part power will be like an AoE Advanced Battle Cloak. (There is your battle cloak feds, take it or leave it).

    I'm talking Feds want the B'Rel Retro's Enhanced Battlecloak for their Defiants. So they whine and whine and whine till they get it. How do you think they got the Atrox?

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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    How many of these threads are going to be made?

    Yes, the adapted set cross over is stupid.
    Yes, even KDF players have said its stupid.

    ***** at Cryptic instead of blowing this into a KDF Plasmonic Leech conspiracy woe-is-us fed never get no Dev love BS thread like so many others.
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  • vengefuldjinnvengefuldjinn Member Posts: 1,521 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    A few weeks ago there was a MASSIVE rage thread that ended up getting shut down because KDF players were up in arms that the Feds might be getting the Plasmonic leech and how this mated with Fed's MACO shield would be a "Game Breaker" (it was just a rumor!!)

    A few weeks later and the shoe is not only on the other foot but it is no rumor:

    The KDF will get the New MACO shield with its massive boost to the Plasmonic Leech.

    Of course not a Peep from the 50 odd pages of KDF rage thread posters when it was just a rumor that the Feds would get it.

    Now that THEY are getting it - all is quit hoping no-one on the Fed side will cause a stir and bring up this KDF termed "Game Breaking" change to the Dev's attention.

    So are we going to have a 50+ page Fed rant about this confirmed balance "game-breaking" power change in favor of the KDF?

    Should the KDF be allowed to get the MACO shield which boosts the Plasmonic leech by insane amounts?

    Let em have it fer Christ's sakes, we're gettin the Vesta and all it's sister's, w/all it's goodies.

    If they are gonna get the game breakin combo, we might as well get the ridiculously OP'd ship.

    See ? It goes back and forth ....and who says there is no "balance" ?

    I've read so many damned threads lately about this or that being game breaking, that I no longer listen to any of it. The water's have been muddied so much that the average casual player can't make heads nor tail of it any more and TBH, I think the same can be said for the devs too.

    Sooner or later, the whole damned game is gonna implode on itself due to the weight of all this "game breakin" cheese anyway.
    And when it happens, at last, we will have something massively entertaining to partake in at endgame.
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  • talientalien Member Posts: 712 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I'm talking Feds want the B'Rel Retro's Enhanced Battlecloak for their Defiants. So they whine and whine and whine till they get it. How do you think they got the Atrox?

    Except the Atrox is a steaming pile of fertilizer that's pretty much only good with one or two specific setups, the Vo'Quv beats it hands down in almost every way, and that's a free ship you can get for ranking up. The Vo'Quv still comes out on top even over the Recluse as far as hangar pets, the only thing that tops the BoP is the Fer'Jai, which is also a KDF exclusive.
  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    How many of these threads are going to be made?

    Yes, the adapted set cross over is stupid.
    Yes, even KDF players have said its stupid.

    ***** at Cryptic instead of blowing this into a KDF Plasmonic Leech conspiracy woe-is-us fed never get no Dev love BS thread like so many others.

    Ok Cryptic - one of the Guys screaming at the top of his keyboard that giving this combo to the Feds would be a "Gmae-Breaking" bad idea is now admitting this is a "stupid" thing to give to KDF players as well.

    So now we have KDF hardcore players and PvPers(Roach) saying this is a bad idea for both factions to have.

    You really should not keep putting quotes of stuff i said in you Sig - someone might get the idea that you were flaming me!! Or worse - stalking me:eek::cool: (besides that last quote was purely a joke)
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    You really should not keep putting quotes of stuff i said in you Sig - someone might get the idea that you were flaming me!! Or worse - stalking me:eek::cool: (besides that last quote was purely a joke)

    He has a good point with that though. You're only encouraging Cryptic to come out with these uberpacks.

    I don't like it either.
  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited November 2012
    I like the idea of swapping tech kits

    My science character will really beef up I'n
    The damage dept on the ground, our elite
    Phaser rifle going into the second weapon slot
    The klingon weapon as primary/ disruptor

    My torpedo build will get 25% more damage +
    the other perks

    Klingons with Maco shields won't need quite
    So much healing

    Win
    Win
    Win
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Well ok you get a torp adv from the KHG set - I think the MACO shield+Plasmonic leech is a bit different because it works off of energy weapons and that is the primary weapon for most builds - meaning that each KDF ship will be stripping power off every Fed ship at an incredible rate.

    Even if a Fed ship is spec'd to the max with insulators I don't think there is any way to keep up with your powers being drained off.
  • seekerkorhilseekerkorhil Member Posts: 472
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    Well ok you get a torp adv from the KHG set - I think the MACO shield+Plasmonic leech is a bit different because it works off of energy weapons and that is the primary weapon for most builds - meaning that each KDF ship will be stripping power off every Fed ship at an incredible rate.

    Of course you can actually now get both lol.

    For KDF: Adapted MACO shield, Honor Guard Engine, Honor Guard Deflector, Plasmonic Leech Console.

    Looks like KDF are getting a nice science ship setup at least.
  • lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 741 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    So what.. KDF is getting MACO but Feds aren't getting Honor Guard?

    Whatisthisidonteven?
  • seekerkorhilseekerkorhil Member Posts: 472
    edited November 2012
    Yes feds are getting honor guard. However...

    Personally I dont think MACO + Plasmonic Leech is equal to Honor Guard + No Plasmonic Leech.

    Maybe its just me.
  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Yes feds are getting honor guard. However...

    Personally I dont think MACO + Plasmonic Leech is equal to Honor Guard + No Plasmonic Leech.

    Maybe its just me.

    Even Roach(Bitemepwe) the defacto KDF Veteren on the forums has admitted that the MACO+plasmonic leech should be for no-one FED or KDF.

    I can only say cudo's for him being consistent - because he was crying at the top of his keyboard when there was just a rumor that the Feds would get this combo. Of course he is not making the same impassioned plea to the devs not to allow this MASSIVE over-powered advantage to the KDF as he was when it was possibly going to the Feds - but hey it's something.

    If the top semi-reasonable KDF players are saying this combo for the KDF is a bad idea then you know the Dev's should pay attention.
  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    meh. i will try it out. "Game Breaker"? no.
    Should I start posting again after all this time?
  • diogene0diogene0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Balance? What about a Vesta for the KDF? :o

    The maco shield could use a nerf though, it would make other builds more attractive and it would compensate a bit the ludicrous easiness of pve.
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