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Science has no place in STO
issueman1
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Since pvp is all but dead, and pve is dominated by escorts. The science ships have fallen behind. I find it funny that they add the Vesta as a science ship but yet, in a pve game science is lacking. An escort can do pve better and faster.
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Put a Tactical in the Vesta's LTC Universal slot, do the 3 Aux DHC with Turrets in the back, and you got a ship dishing out more damage than a Cruiser or even the Galaxy-X. But second to the Destroyers and pure Escorts.
Is there still PVP in STO? Where? :P
On a serious note:
PVP was a trouble child of Cryptic since its inception, it has only recently become the Red Headed Step Child of the Studio. I only PvP when playing my Klingon toons, it's so much fun being on the RED Side and watch the Federalist go BOOM.
In regards to the Vesta, its a Hybrid of some sort - I think CRYPTIC is now heading towads that standard with all their future ship releases.
With the exception of pure escorts - the days of true blue cruisers and science vessels are numbered.
Yes, alot of us have the same wish, they don't seem to realise that apart from the foundry, pvp is the best place for user generated content that never gets old. Just give us a real pvp update, and we will be happy for a longer time than it takes for us to play through all available episodes.
Or, you could pass that down to the foundry makers if you are too busy with accumulating cash.
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Using it as a jumping off point to sell the idea that sci ships are terrible is really dumb, it's probably going to be one of the very top PvE ships in the game, especially the tactical variant.
Pure Science ships have their problems, but FFS don't try and use the Vesta as a platform for pointing it out.
But the biggest thing is it doesn't have a Cmdr Tac slot, with the universal being Lt. Cmdr and a Lt. as the dedicated Tac exactly like the Wells so you can't even make the most of cannons. So with all that I don't expect it will have anywhere near escort level DPS. The consoles also don't look all that impressive aside from the Fermion field, cryptic got it right with the Odyssey consoles and I don't think anything will top that for usefulness, though the Mannheim/Tipler combo is just fun.
I'll probably get the 3 pack anyway though if I like how it handles while testing it after it shows up in Tribble.
And also it will not preclude SS targeting with the new 360 degree beam array coming in S7. I bet every fore-facing ship and their mother with a BO3 will do just that, beat down the shield with cannons, then BO3 the hull.
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It takes almost a full minute of targeting something before you get much benefit from sensor analysis meaning that'll only be the case in STFs, invasions, and CE. Plus if you have to untarget to shoot down a heavy plasma torp or plasma sphere your analysis resets to 0.
It's funny that you say "Pvp is all but dead" , because 90% of the changes/nerfs you see here comes from that small group of crybabies..
yeah whatever, flame away....
Cruisers have better healing and Escorts do the most damage.
Cryptic has nerfed the science abilites hard in the past so that many of them don't realy have much use left. In comparison Tactical and Engineering abilities didn't have suffered so much.
This all leads to few decent uses of science ships and the science class as well. Even the usual PVE is hard for science since they don't have the fire or staying power of the other classes.
Where else would the Devs get actual information on broken abilities? You cant possibly expect a PvE'er who benefits from a broken ability to complain about it can you?
That is all.
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Actually, cruisers and science ships have same impulse modifier. Cruisers have bonus to engine power, so in practise, science ships are the slowest ships on the same engine power level.
That may be true, but my little sci ships FEELS faster.
Personally I really like my Mirror DSSV. But alas, dps is the name of the game. Mind you, no one has ever said anything negative about me bringing my sci ship into an STF. :cool:
Except what you just said equals to "special interest groups" being manned by Pure Humanitarians .
PVP-ers have special interests just like PVE-ers . Pretending that it's otherwise is a falsehood .
In the News Thread discussing the Vesta, Branflakes said "yes" that you could equip more than 1 ADHC. Just that nobody knows yet if you can buy one and recall it to get more than 1, or you need all 3 versions to fully equip.
Not faster no, but they do turn better. Any sci ship with at least a Lt. tac slot can also make a nice torp boat tank.
We also don't know how they work.
As some have noted, they'd be pretty balanced if, as some have theorized, they draw POWER from Aux but their damage scales from Weapons power.
In that case, they'd just be a nice feature for someone who already runs high Weapons/high Aux and has a few weapons power hogs.
As for pve, unfortunatley a pure sci ship build isn't all that useful, there has to be some dps to go along with it. The tactical oriented sci ships like the Fleet Recon, Fleet Nova, Wells, and carriers are much more useful then the more engineer and sci oriented ships like the Deep Space Sci Vessel, Intrepid, Nebula, and Research Sci Vessel.
Sounds overpowered, another way to break an already broken game.
Agreed,
The upcoming Vesta is pretty much an Escort -1 weapon slot and only 3 fore guns. So it might be more effective than current Science Vessels, but it's still lacking in comparison.
This is a way to make Science Vessels more viable, but it does nothing to give "Science" Vessels per se some more power.
-> I would like Cruisers to rock as Cruisers an Science Vessels to rock as Science Vessels.
But this would require a lot of changes to ships and the game, it's not very likely to happen!
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Because ground combat is the most annoying aspect of this game, and wouldn't be missed if it was removed 100%
Science ships and science officers are not meant to be front and center. They are designed from the ground up to be Crowd control and Debuffers. They are NOT DPS centric, but they don't need to be. A good science vessel doesn't kill you outright, they just put you in a position to be killed and make you wish you were dead already. If you play like that, if you play the class the way it is suppose to be played, you will kick TRIBBLE.
Sure, you may not peek any scoreboards, but you dont need to. You make the Escorts job easier, allowing them to blow through a full target in one pass instead of four, you can heal them as needed, and you can keep the little flies off their back so they can focus on the objective. You HELPED. you HELPED reach the objective.
I exclusively fly science vessels and I intend to continue to.
As for science's place, I don't play my science toons often, mainly just stick to the one tactical, so I can't really speak to that, but the best Boffs for ground combat are definately the science guys, hands down. Their healing and expose abilities are just great.