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autodiabolic
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Ok, I'm not exactly 'new', but pretty much. I've been putting off this post until such a time as I got a good handle on all elements of the game, which due to being an avid reader and asker of questions only took a couple of months.
First thing, and this is probably going to raise some hackles but, I have never encountered a community that whines as much as this one does. No matter what happens..added, changed, taken away, modified, tweaked, or even any indication any of these things may or may not happen on any indefinite timescale there is always flowing behind it a figurative river of tears and but hurt. As a guy that's never done the MMO thing before, I am not sure if this is par for the course or not, but it's highly amusing to me.
Second, the game is fantastic, and the community mostly agreeable. The only real 'spam' you get is from people trying to fill their fleets, but I quickly learned to avoid these sorts. I eventually found a fleet that is more interested in doing things and swapping info than hoping the 20 strangers they just enlisted into the fleet might drop a fleet mark or two towards some project before going on their way. All good.
The missions are fun for a run through, and the fact you don't have to repeat them if you don't want to once you've seen the content is spiffy if you ask me. The endgame pve and missions are also pretty cool, especially the elite stfs. It was a real challenge figuring out how to do them on my own(the space ones anyway, the ground ones just take too damn long ), and now its all about getting those optionals(when playing with fleet mates anyway, don't even get me started on pugs)
The space pvp is cool. I am a little confused(though less so every day) still why nobody does it, generally hiding behind excuses like it is dominated by minmaxing superships but I think perhaps some just haven't figured out how to fly their own ships. I pvp all the time and generally do quite well, despite being a new face. (dropping 25 bucks on a brel didn't hurt)
And super excited about season 7.
All in all, keep up the good work devs.
First thing, and this is probably going to raise some hackles but, I have never encountered a community that whines as much as this one does. No matter what happens..added, changed, taken away, modified, tweaked, or even any indication any of these things may or may not happen on any indefinite timescale there is always flowing behind it a figurative river of tears and but hurt. As a guy that's never done the MMO thing before, I am not sure if this is par for the course or not, but it's highly amusing to me.
Second, the game is fantastic, and the community mostly agreeable. The only real 'spam' you get is from people trying to fill their fleets, but I quickly learned to avoid these sorts. I eventually found a fleet that is more interested in doing things and swapping info than hoping the 20 strangers they just enlisted into the fleet might drop a fleet mark or two towards some project before going on their way. All good.
The missions are fun for a run through, and the fact you don't have to repeat them if you don't want to once you've seen the content is spiffy if you ask me. The endgame pve and missions are also pretty cool, especially the elite stfs. It was a real challenge figuring out how to do them on my own(the space ones anyway, the ground ones just take too damn long ), and now its all about getting those optionals(when playing with fleet mates anyway, don't even get me started on pugs)
The space pvp is cool. I am a little confused(though less so every day) still why nobody does it, generally hiding behind excuses like it is dominated by minmaxing superships but I think perhaps some just haven't figured out how to fly their own ships. I pvp all the time and generally do quite well, despite being a new face. (dropping 25 bucks on a brel didn't hurt)
And super excited about season 7.
All in all, keep up the good work devs.
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I agree with you here. As far as it being Par for the course with an MMO, it isnt.
I have been with many different MMO communities and games, and I dont see near as much whining / crying as i do here. Just head over to WoW, EvE, World of Tanks, and other forums and see for yourself. I think what it is mostly, is when this game was in beta, cryptic encouraged ideas and built from that. However, this game is no longer in Beta, and i think alot of people got used to thinking that they can tell cryptic what to do.
Or, they just missed the fact the game has launched, and is no longer in Beta.
Some of the stuff people say to beat up the original post is just pointless.
Also some people cannot accept lock boxes(now that i realize their not that annoying)
By the way not everyone is this way, it's just a hand full, but it is enough to get me to stop using forums.
Maybe if you whine about other people whining it will help the situation. Or...it just makes you a whiner too. So welcome to the QQmunity!
Your a lucky one then, as I stopped using the WOW forums due to the constant whining threads in it.
EvE, the only real whining posts I ever came across there were when someone went out to 0.0 space (PvP for those who do not know what that is) to mine / set up camp etc.. and got blown up, then they went to the forums to moan they got blown up in 0.0 while minding their own business. Those posts always made me laugh. Plus, the odd post about how much you lose if/when you do get blown up, in the early days of EvE there quite a few of those, but not so many when I quit playing.
WoT I cannot comment on as I do not use its forums.
PlanetSide was worse than STO for this, n00b hammer this, lasher spam that, oh the list when on and on... then core combat - ouch, that was brutal on the forums.
So, all in all, the answer to the OP is yes, in MMOs whining posts are part of the game.
And I can tell you why, people have passion for the games they play (more so with Star Trek fans) and when they see something they think does not suit the genre of the game or the style of the game, then people will become vocal about it, as they are trying to protect what is important to them - the game.
I have my own idea what Star Trek is, it has a special meaning to me and is important to me, however, YOUR idea of Star Trek could be very different to mine, so if they change something which I see as the game moving closer to what I know as Star Trek, to you that same change could be moving it away for what you call Star Trek. The only way to protect your beloved idea is to tell the people who make the game what they are doing to it and how they are moving away from your vision of the game.
Alas, as it is Star Trek, it has a lot of fans, with a lot of views and we all have our own reasons as to what we love about the IP, and our views on what makes a Star Trek game true to the IP... so you are going to get some "explosive" (for lack of a better word) conversations here as the game updates and changes (as all MMOs do).
For some, the updates bring them closer to the IP and immerse them even more in the realm of Star Trek, for others it breaks the immersion and ruins the game.
It's not merely the clashing ideas of what Star Trek is supposed to be, that's barely even the tip of the iceberg, but all other grievances paired with an unwillingness to go somewhere else cause of that brand is what makes the forum into the noisy place it is. Now whether in the absence of that brand fanrage/loyalty the leavers would kill the game, can be argued for and against. It could very well be that without the rules and baggage of Star Trek, Cryptic might've made a more successfull game out of Star Champions Online, or it might've gone the way of Tabula Rasa a long time ago. (It did not launch in the best of conditions.)
That said, the only thing less productive than starting a thread to whine on the forums, has to be starting a thread about whining on the forums.
You are right in that there is a lot of whining on these forums, but not all of it is pure whining either. There tends to be a rather good amount of honest, constructive thoughts and ideas a good part of the time though as well.
This is nothing though compared to *********. I played that a long long time ago, and it doesn't matter what it was, there would be heaps of people complaining about any little change, no matter what it was. The PvPers in this game might seem like whiners to some, but they do give real feedback. Players in RS, would have whole groups of people log out all at once, just to cause server havoc, and would complain and complain and complain on the forums. Or in short, they acted like complete children.
So yes, there's whining here, we're all guilty of it, but it's far, far from being as bad as it is elsewhere.
Going on PvP though, there's more or less these kinds in there:
1. Pugs who have no clue what they are doing, or believe that they have an 'end all build' and wanna Kirk it out.
2. Better players, like yourself, who might not be majorly good at it, but better than the Kirks.
3. AFKers.
4. Minmaxxed PvPers (sometimes whole teams) who know every little bit about the game mechanics and how to use them to their complete advantage.
That's some broad generalizations of course, and it's not meant to insult those who do enjoy PvP (I do personally). People though, more don't do it because of all the various 'OP' or 'P2W' things that are in the game. Be it related to DOFFs, consoles, ships, etc.
Cant you see? He's trying to tell us he's one of us :rolleyes:
As for this, I get my PvP fix elsewhere. Many MMOG's PvP, this one included, don't play to the strengths of the genre (a massive online persistant world populated by thousands of players) and other games that aren't limitted by having to support those strengths tend to be able to make their PvP a lot more focussed and enjoyable experience.
Gimme maps that can change hands, gimme maps that connect ground and space pvp in certain ways, gimme PvP that is mission based rather than kill based, gimme a sector which can create the overall feeling of an actual war being fought between the feds and klinks and I'd start to get interested.
It's only cause we care.
If no one gave a flip about what Cryptic does there'd be no whining.
Plus being a smaller community, threads don't fall off as fast as they do on WoW. I don't even bother to post anything on the WoW forums because it'll end up on page 806 in about 30 minutes.
To my understanding & according to your statement in regards to never playing an MMO before, I am assuming you recently started playing STO and probably are a Silver player. If you just came on board, never invested a dime in the game, then I have to say its probably a new experience for you. Its ok, because if you're new to it all then your gaming experience is new & fresh.
You're going to have to differentiate between whining & legitimate complaints or concerns.
Some things that people care about:
#1 - the iP
#2 - Canon - If you are a Star Trek Fan, canon is somthing they hold sacred
#3 - Gameplay - Both Space & Ground
#4 - True content without a hefty money making scheme attached to it
There are more but the ones above are legitimate concerns for the fanbase.
Which proves my point about you being a new player and have not gone through the STO's different incarnations. Complaining about the suppose whiners and not actually understanding why many people are currently dissatisfied is a bit naive, but then again, I can understand why you would make such a statement, you're fairly new to all this.
I do agree there are some that whine for the sake of whining, but a good amount of players on these forums do have legitimate issues and complaints.
If it weren't for many of these complaints:
A) We wouldn't have improve Lock Box content
C) Lock Box winnings annoucement wouldn't have an on & off switch
Should I go on? Many of these suppose whiners have helped to bring attention to things that really need to be addressed.
Here is a biggie for you - TRUE CONTENT - many of us old timers that began since STO inception are hoping for true blue content and not some new zone bent on farming & milking the playerbase.
You must not get out much. I can tell you that the STO "community" has nowhere near the level of QQ encountered in other games. I do find it humorous that you chose to introduce yourself by whining about whiners. In any case, if you're going to participate in socially interactive mmo's, involving many thousands of individuals, you just have to learn to deal with the chatter. If you can't do that then learn how to use the ignore command.
Good luck and have fun.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
1) Teamwork and timing is #1
2) You cannot "Kirk It" in every ship
3) You are going to die, just get back up
"Buh...Buh...Buh you din't lissen to me about Star Trek and how I said it is supposed to be! I'm important! I haven't just been here since the beta, I made the computer they used to design the game! Not only that, I am the world's foremost self anointed expert on all things Star Trek and MMO! An if you don't lissen to me, then all I can say is - You're mean! I don't like you! I'm gonna go tell on you to the mods! You'll be in trouble! Nyah! Nyah! Nyah!"
Honestly? I sometimes laugh all day long at some of the incredibly stupid stuff people post. Some of it is professional grade. So no, OP, you're not whining about whiners. Regardless of what trolls may say. You're simply stating out loud in public what most of us are thinking anyway and very few of us have the backbone to admit to in front of reliable witnesses.
1)There are the canon jockeys who want an episode of Star Trek and not a game. The simulated space zealots who want real world physics. The EVE elitist who want EVE Trek.
2)The dev's failure to communicate and deliver, whichever is greater. The companies money grub.....I mean monetizing efforts.
3)And all the good stuff in between. All you need is Picard to put it together.
Officially Nerfed In Early 2410
He's right on some issues and as others have posted, the QQ'in isn't as bad as people generally believe.
The feedback from the forums has improved the game hugely.
Yes, some people aren't as articulate as others...
A) woot u dun? me kannons haz not working sinse last pach...i az mad az hell
Both are legit comments...
A) funny, a little stupid but fine!
Case and point :
There is a games developer out there who ignores their forums and only pretends
to pay attention on the forums. Their game is now free to play - within a year.
This behaviour was leaked out by an ex-employee of theirs and has spread around the internet. And has now cost them millions.......
If you're new then there's still a lot of the existing content to go through. All that can be played without spending any money. Once that's done you'll want a continuation of the story and more ways to experience the awesome and fun space combat engine. That's why I still play, because the space combat remains fun.
Not only is the OP whining about whiners, but so are you. The fact that you are in "whiner denial" just makes it that much funnier
Wouldn't this make you whining about whining about whining
Sure, just as much as it makes you whining about my whining. The difference is neither you nor I am denying it like thunderfoot. He's in "whiner denial", which is even funnier than your typical "whining about whining"
It's an entirely predictable pattern.
Person A whines about change X or feature Y--->Person B defends said change or feature--->Person C attacks Person B for being a "fanboi"--->Person B attacks Person C and Person A for being "haters"--->Person D complains about nasty community--->Person D attacked for "whining about whining."
Did I miss anything?
Person E attempts some armchair psychiatry as they summarize the behavior of the community, Person F points this out, Person G tries to be clever and attack Person F but fails miserably
lol you have Person G attacking himself... which certainly could happen.
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Touche! Keep up the armchair psychiatry and you'll have this all figured out eventually
I played games since 1986 and I am probably the rookie amongst these people here, when you played 15 mmo's and clocked 1000 days in this game we can talk again
Use good sense, a sense of humor, and when in doubt re-read the forum rules.
Thanx
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