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Negh'Var vs Galaxy turnrate
alexindcobra
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The Negh'Var is slightly larger the the Galaxy Class and have relatively same mass in over 4 million metric tons. How does it out turn the Galaxy in this game? When I read Memory Alpha, it doesn't mention anything about it being a very manuverable ship, and in reading Memory Beta its says the Negh'Var's design "was a significant departure from "traditional" Klingon designs which favored swift, agile vessels, instead offering heavy firepower and pure brute strength." Thats from canon sources, so why is the Galaxy turning slower than the Negh'Var in this game? I have a KDF character that flies a Negh'Var. He has the same moderate level engine performance on skill tree as my Fed character that flies a Galaxy. My Negh'Var only have a VIII Combat Impulse engine that adds 13.9 flight speed and .33 turn rate. After all that, it has a 14.2 turn rate, flight speed of 18.86, and 25 inertia. My Galaxy has a Jem'Hadar Combat Impulse engine that adds 16.4 flight speed and .18 turn rate. In the end, the overal flight speed is 21.56, turn rate 8.9, and 25 inertia.
The base turn rate on the Negh'Var is 9 while the base turn rate of the Galaxy is 6. Do you see something wrong here? Do I smell bais? If there is no canon facts to back up the Devs' action as to why they crippled the Galaxy over another equal capital ship, then they have run out of excuses and it is time for them to correct that bais mistake. Its time for them to fix the Galaxy's base turn rate and put it at 9 just like the KDF's Negh'Var.
The base turn rate on the Negh'Var is 9 while the base turn rate of the Galaxy is 6. Do you see something wrong here? Do I smell bais? If there is no canon facts to back up the Devs' action as to why they crippled the Galaxy over another equal capital ship, then they have run out of excuses and it is time for them to correct that bais mistake. Its time for them to fix the Galaxy's base turn rate and put it at 9 just like the KDF's Negh'Var.
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http://www.stowiki.org/User:Peregrine_Falcon#The_History_Of_The_Klingon_Empire_With_Cryptic_Studios
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That is not heresay. Your link is alot of hype that they want to get people interested in the game. After the game started, people complained in the forums about the game's performance. The Devs, type in yellow when they speak on forums. If you were in this game during its launch the Devs had admitted giving KDF ships that out performed Fed ships to make KDF side more appealing to new players so more people would populate that side, even though it lacked story. Thats over 2 years ago they can add PVE , KDF is not in danger of thining out, and its time to fix the Galaxy's 6 point turn rate.
and as for the KDF is better I dont see it when most of the GOOD KDF toys are now available to the Feds dont believe me ?
does Theta Radiation Vents, Isometric Charge, Subspace Console, Gravometric Pulse Consoles ring any bells ? no then lets talk about the Atrox... a Carrier then we can add the Armatage the KDF has NOTHING in the Class of an Armatage....
http://www.stowiki.org/User:Peregrine_Falcon#The_History_Of_The_Klingon_Empire_With_Cryptic_Studios
the above link is WHY I will always try to remind people that the feds more times than not ALWAYS get the best of everything while the KDF as per the usual has to make due with what they have...
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Though, really you want to look at the Vor'cha for "OMG BIAS!" ammunition. It turns even better than the Negh'var and it isn't saddled with a useless third ensign engineer slot.
Dude, the stats don't lie. If you have characters in both factions then get a Negh'Var and a Galaxy and compare base stats and stats after skill boost. That what i did, and that is why I made this thread because there is no good reason why the Galaxy can't turn like the Negh'Var.
The Federation has the edge when it comes to escorts (Defiants and Patrol Escorts, anyone? MVAE?) and science vessels. I guess it balances out.
And yes, the Vor'cha is an excellent battlecruiser.
Having ships with identical capabilities and different skins is not good for diversity - everyone who plays can choose to use whichever ships/classes/faction they like on each character without penalty to their other characters - if you don't want to fly a ship with really bad turn rate, then choose something else with better turn rate. Try reading the cruiser thread in the PvP section, I've been trying some of their ideas on a mirror star cruiser I picked up for chump change on the exchange - and I have to say that space whales can be suprisingly effective and fun if you build them correctly.
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It's beacuse Fed's cant steer..
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The balance between factions as a whole really shouldn't have anything to do with the Galaxy's turn rate being at 6 while the Negh'Vars' at 9. We all know why they did it in the past, but there is no good reason why they can't correct it now. Correcting the turn rate of the Galaxy would have no effect on any balance since all the other ships turn rates start above 9.
I love it when people bring up rumors about a ships stats, and armaments, yet they bring no material to back it up. "Armor that acts like a shield by itself?" Where did you get that information? What canon sites can you reference, or did you just make that up because it sounds cool?
Go rewatch [Sacrifice of Angels] and tell me those Galaxy conn officers can't steer. :P
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In Cannon Feds have superior Battleship class impulse and warp drive engines always have ,much better in fact.In cannon klingon battleships and battlecruisers are 2nd class to the Feds
Klingons have vastly better cruiser engines ,ships roughly 1/2 the size of the galaxy class of ship,The power of the klingon fleet were there Cruisers in cannon
STO lumps battleships dreadnoughts Battlecruisers Cruisers and light cruisers in the same
catagory so the distintion is lost here in this game
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Just a thought.
Since you say it's canon, can you point to any canon episode or anything else where this is mentioned, especiall the "battleship" part?
I firmly believe the Galaxy as she is implemented now is sorely lacking.
I'd LOVE to use one on my Fed engineer, but as it stands now I'll never leave my Star Cruiser.
But it is not the turnrate that should be buffed (would make little sense for her, she was never particularly maneuverable) but I think she should have other advantages to make her useful.
First and foremost she should have better shields than the other non-Oddy cruiser (she currently has 1.0 like every other T5 cruiser) and possibly even more bonus power available.
She was strong enough to provide power to the alien in "Encounter at Farpoint" and the Romulan Warbird in "Timescape".
These should be things that set her apart from other ships.
It wold also set a nice contrast to all those other ships that put emphasis in their impulse propulsion (like the Negh'var) while the Galaxy has this enormous energy potential from her massive warpcore to draw on.
And while it may sound like heresy to my fellow KDF players, if there "needs" to be a Federation cruiser with pets, the Galaxy with her massive shuttlebay 1 (big enough to carry Runabouts, again from "Timescape") would be the right ship for this.
i actually like the idea of a shuttlebay for the galaxy-r. srsly the ship is the least desireable of all cruisers. But i believe the shuttlebay should be restricted to only carry shuttles, not fighters of any kind.
Even a special device, some shuttles, that have infinte charges would be cool to have on that ship. maybe this device could be interchangeable to all cruisers.
But if it were interchangeable to all cruisers...we'd basically be back to square 1 since it would not set the Galaxy apart from other cruisers, right?
Theres is no statment in the game telling why the Negh'Var is turning 9 and the the Galaxy turning 6, so whether the game is based on Star Trek or not, there is not reason for the two factions to be uneven with the same class of ships. There is no excuse, so you need to stop making excuses for this game. You are not a Dev.
the fact that there are ports that look like they are for exhaust seems to contradict this some, but that might be more for maneuvering, they could be acting like large RCS ports. the actual device propelling the ship seems to be all internalized, explains the defiant and nebula not having really any visible exterior component.
the impulse drive coil is ether fed directly by a fusion reactor, or piped in EPS from the warp core.
so it seems to be the impulse drive coil creates the thrust, and the large impulse exhaust thrusters do the majority of the maneuvering along with the rcs ports.
i see zero reason why klingon impulse tech would be better or vice versa. there is not a single good reason for fed and kdf cruisers not to turn about the same.
They are not the same class of ships.
The federation have Cruisers, a multi-platform vessel designed to perform multiple roles in the field as it needs to in the term of its exploration mission.
The KDF has Battle Cruisers, vessels designed for warfare and conquest with no room for families or anything not used to further the Empire through combat.
This like saying the Humvee I buy off the car lot is the same as the Military one I ridden in in the past. They are both Humvees but they are not the same.
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Yes and no.
On ships of similar mass this may apply if both have the same amount of space invested into engines and the engines work under the same...I don't know how to cal it I'm sorry...conditions.
On ships like the Galaxy that are designed for long-range exploration the engines are probably tuned for efficiency and range.
On a warship like the Negh'var that is probably not designed to be operated for the same amount of time away from a base those engines would be tuned for less efficiency but brute output.
Thus they'd produce less thrust per fuel spent but have more thrust output overall.
This is actually not my own idea but from the (softcanon?) "Cheyenne Operations Manual" that describes this difference between the impulse engines of the more long-range minded Cheyenne and her more combat-oriented cousin the New Orleans.
thats silly really, these long range ships are meant to spend weeks at warp, and at impulse a very small part of the time. it merely for maneuvering within solar systems or around objects of interest, or in battle. these explorers arent going to 'travel' at impulse at all.
people SEVERALLY underestimate how combat capable all these fed love boats are. their primary weapon, the phaser array, is the most ingenious weapon ever conserved of frankly.
- it has amazing packaging, it doesn't take up a huge internal compartment like a similarly powerful cannon would. merely the EPS piping and about half of each emitter is internalized, the rest sticks out of the hull, across its surface.
- its damage output can easily be dialed in between 1% and 100%, just by using a single emitter, or the power of all the emitters at once
- its firing arc is anything that any part of the array has line of sight with, at full power too
-even when part of the array is damaged, it can still operate around the damage. even though they it seemed like they were completely taken off line every time the camera shakes. a centralized gun would be much easier to completely disable with 1 direct hit.
- its also the most scalable weapon ever too. the longer the array, the more emitters it has, the more powerful its output can be. the power of a galaxy class's main array is second only to the big under slung guns on a negvar, and the huge nose cannon on a romulan D'd, but it can hit anything it has line of sight with, those cannon weapons having very small fireing arcs. of course for plot reason the galaxy was rarely able to effectively flex its firepower muscle, to often that would have resolved the issue in an episode or movie in a way that would lack a certain drama.
klingons and other races focus on ambushes and large heavy cannons to deal damage, federation ships are designed to deal damage from a defensive position, and having full effectiveness at any angle.
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Strict Cannon is the star mechanics approved by the creator
of star trek Gene R , I'n tos , games board and pc
Cannon is tv shows and movies after his death
Soft cannon is everything else including STO , wiki , cartoons ect
Official starship Race ,limits ,styles ,types ect are I'n the FASA
starship tactical combat simulator and it's companion
Modules which create the entire startrek universe
From ship mechanics warp speed empire sizes fleet strengths
Maps ect.
All of this was created with Gene Rs approval
Find a starship construction manual
A tactical combat simulator
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They may be online or for sale on Ebay
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