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centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
Give us better stuff to buy with it.

Don't reduce STF rewards, or make obtaining it more convoluted. Seriously.
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  • captainbmoneycaptainbmoney Member Posts: 1,323 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Open up Galor Arrays for people who dont have Galors. Lulz.

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  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Open up Galor Arrays for people who dont have Galors. Lulz.

    Hell no! I just finally broke down and paid millions for the Galor just for the arrays! No short cuts for you! :P
  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited October 2012
    Hell no! I just finally broke down and paid millions for the Galor just for the arrays! No short cuts for you! :P

    The Devs have said the new weapons will be better
    That STF weapons

    So your getting the shaft as well your weapons
    Will suffer greatly I'n the new system Lol

    They can't Nerfing STF weapons without cutting into
    Your edge, think about it

    I read this I'n pweBranflakes blog yesterday it'd
    I'n the dev post below his talking about all the new
    Advantages the new Romulan weapons will give you
    Over current STF weapons

    Isn't that a Nerfing ? Or what with that I'n mind
    I ( assume ) consoles and resistances will be
    ( expanded ) to give us new content while ( Nerfing )
    Existing content forcing you to upgrade all of your systems
    Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
    Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
    Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng

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  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,987 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    What new weapons the Romulan ones?
  • yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    jellico1 wrote: »

    The Devs have said the new weapons will be better
    That STF weapons

    So your getting the shaft as well your weapons
    Will suffer greatly I'n the new system Lol

    They can't Nerfing STF weapons without cutting into
    Your edge, think about it
    So all the work to get STF weapons will be for nothing, because the devs decided to introduce new, stronger Weapons and equipment....

    Why don't they give us some more things to do, instead of raising the bar all the time?
    We have already enough possibilities to equip our ships, now it should be time for us to get get some things to do with our ships. They should finally give us the chance to go out an seek new worlds.
    Why don't they go on with the various story lines? What about the klingon - Federation war?

    Star cluster exploration as it is, is just a joke. STO should get a much more advanced Explorations system, but all we got are some shoeboxes to fly in, where everyone gets in the way with each other.
    "...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--" - (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie

    A tale of two Picards
    (also applies to Star Trek in general)
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    jellico1 wrote: »

    The Devs have said the new weapons will be better
    That STF weapons

    So your getting the shaft as well your weapons
    Will suffer greatly I'n the new system Lol

    They can't Nerfing STF weapons without cutting into
    Your edge, think about it

    Link it please thanks
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    yreodred wrote: »
    So all the work to get STF weapons will be for nothing, because the devs decided to introduce new, stronger Weapons and equipment....

    Note, I said better, not inflated. :P

    But you're right. Artificially prolonging the game by making staple items/abilities obsolete does not increase longevity by any means. It makes it difficult for new players to start, and makes it impossible to "Take a break" and come back in a couple of months. As by then everything you have is useless.

    But those are the kind of players this game needs. It's the very nature of the Trekkie beast. He might get fed up and leave for a while, but he'll come back eventually. It's been that way since TOS.

    New STF weapons? HELL ****ING NO.:mad::mad::mad:
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    Link it please thanks

    Right here.
    As part of these store changes, the existing ?Anti-Borg? weaponry will be phased out, but will be replaced by newly upgraded weaponry that utilizes unique high-quality weapon models, and employs an improved anti-Borg damage proc that scales based on weapon firing speeds (slow weapons will deliver large bursts of kinetic damage, while fast weapons will deliver smaller hits on each pulse).

    To be fair, it sounds like they're for ground weapons, and that wouldn't be too bad, but it doesn't say that space weapons are not getting replaced as well.
  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    There is no better time then NOW to introduce the first true T6 ship - The Vesta!!

    If they are going to start escalating might as well go all in.
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    There is no better time then NOW to introduce the first true T6 ship - The Vesta!!

    If they are going to start escalating might as well go all in.

    YOU!!! Don't give them ideas!!!!
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Right here.



    To be fair, it sounds like they're for ground weapons, and that wouldn't be too bad, but it doesn't say that space weapons are not getting replaced as well.

    Thought he meant the OMEGA and MACO stuff

    Never used the Borg weapon stuff...They are just glorified blue weapons when fighting non borg.

    Never bothered with them.
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  • kingdoxykingdoxy Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I also wish they would add more stuff into the D-Store. I already have Mark XII gear and the transwarp boosts they sell are way too expensive.

    Raising the price of Doffs and adding sinks like the Borg reputation system isn't the best way to increase demand for folks to spend Zen on Dilithium.

    Give us something to spend it on. How about a lock box that we could only open using Dilithium?
  • yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Note, I said better, not inflated. :P

    But you're right. Artificially prolonging the game by making staple items/abilities obsolete does not increase longevity by any means. It makes it difficult for new players to start, and makes it impossible to "Take a break" and come back in a couple of months. As by then everything you have is useless.

    But those are the kind of players this game needs. It's the very nature of the Trekkie beast. He might get fed up and leave for a while, but he'll come back eventually. It's been that way since TOS.

    New STF weapons? HELL ****ING NO.:mad::mad::mad:
    I think you got a point here. Cryptic makes it much harder to take a break.


    To be honest, with the course STO goes with season 7, there will be more and more people wanting to take a break.
    As harder as it gets to get resonable equipment, the more of a grind that is involved, the less people will stay at STO after a longer break.

    People who are already frustrated with the game, won't take a break anymore, they'll leave.
    So the population will shrink if Cryptic stays to introduce more and more features they may find "awesome", which the community won't accept/like because STO becomes more and more like work than a game.

    I have no idea how radical the changes where that caused the downfall of Star Wars: Galaxies. But i think a game like STO which is already on the wrong rail, needs a change of course.
    I just don't get it why CBS allows Cryptic to make a game like STO in the first place. The only thing that will result in it will be decrease in popularity of Star Trek in general, which is in no ones interest.
    "...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--" - (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie

    A tale of two Picards
    (also applies to Star Trek in general)
  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    yreodred wrote: »
    So all the work to get STF weapons will be for nothing, because the devs decided to introduce new, stronger Weapons and equipment...

    Well, that's how it goes in MMOs, I was at 95% maxed gear in WoW till this last expansion came out, now all my gear is outclassed by Pandaran uncommon junk. But at least WoW gives us a new places, new quests and a new max level to go with outclassing our current gear sets.
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Well, that's how it goes in MMOs, I was at 95% maxed gear in WoW till this last expansion came out, now all my gear is outclassed by Pandaran uncommon junk. But at least WoW gives us a new places, new quests and a new max level to go with outclassing our current gear sets.

    And we never will. That's not being pessimistic, that's just fact. The STO team is what? 40 people? I'm not expecting them to pull off WoW like stuff (200+ Devs).

    I think Cryptic/PWE need to keep this in mind. A lot of people will leave, and if you want them back, you need to make it easier for them.
  • mcconnamcconna Member Posts: 255 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I think Cryptic/PWE need to keep this in mind. A lot of people will leave, and if you want them back, you need to make it easier for them.

    I would rather the game be harder with more content than easier with the lack of content. How anyone thinks just giving everything to players makes the game funnier is beyond me. Of course the dil payout for STF's is a little rough, however they up'd the dil on fleet actions like it was cool (Which makes sense, since no one really cared to do them with the rewards where they were pre-S7). Guess the old days where working for gear and being satisfied for doing so are dead since it isn't easy. lol
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  • psymantispsymantis Member Posts: 329 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    And we never will. That's not being pessimistic, that's just fact. The STO team is what? 40 people? I'm not expecting them to pull off WoW like stuff (200+ Devs).

    I think Cryptic/PWE need to keep this in mind. A lot of people will leave, and if you want them back, you need to make it easier for them.

    They can't pull off a WoW level expansion but they could still put out regular story content. If they want to that is.
  • jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    yreodred wrote: »
    People who are already frustrated with the game, won't take a break anymore, they'll leave.

    A lot like my friends and I have.

    I paid a lifetime sub when the game came out for a RELAXING, FUN GAME, but as you pointed out so well....
    yreodred wrote: »
    STO becomes more and more like work than a game.

    I'm not surprised, I have played other PWE games. Figured out how bad of a grind they were within the first few weeks and walked away. So when the news hit about them having STO, I knew my "lifetime" sub days were numbered.

    It is a shame as they people at Cryptic were headed in the right direction until PWE got involved, story missions were getting better and better, improvements and tweaks were solid.

    I have a ton of respect for them and their work, shame I now find it just as hard to dig up the strength to login to the forums let alone the game :(
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    jockey1979 wrote: »
    I have a ton of respect for them and their work, shame I now find it just as hard to dig up the strength to login to the forums let alone the game :(

    The doors don't seem to be open anymore. :(
  • yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Well, that's how it goes in MMOs, I was at 95% maxed gear in WoW till this last expansion came out, now all my gear is outclassed by Pandaran uncommon junk. But at least WoW gives us a new places, new quests and a new max level to go with outclassing our current gear sets.
    But it doesn't have to be like that.
    They should create more things like new quests, new places (just like you said) rather than to frustrate players by making their hard earned equipment useless. No one wants that, it's just another carrot with what they try to make us run.
    Personally i have stopped to spend any money to STO a long time ago.


    For me it raises the question if i want to spend any more time with this game, because there is less and less fun involved in playing it. In fact it's quite the contrary, it feels more and more like work, everything seems to be aimed to make more dilithium, money and always to run behind the carrot they place in front of us.

    I can't see where the fun is hiding there, it feels more like being fooled.
    I know many people today like that kind of game, either because they don't recognize whats wrong with it or they just don't care (most people today seem to have a strange concept of fun anyways TBH).
    "...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--" - (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie

    A tale of two Picards
    (also applies to Star Trek in general)
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    yreodred wrote: »
    But it doesn't have to be like that.
    They should create more things like new quests, new places (just like you said) rather than to frustrate players by making their hard earned equipment useless. No one wants that, it's just another carrot with what they try to make us run.
    Personally i have stopped to spend any money to STO a long time ago.

    Agreed. It just artificially inflates the content which does nothing for longevity. :(

    I vote for harder/bigger bosses/gauntlets/death runs.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    *sighs* why must the game be plagued by people who don't know where the dil store came from?

    It's not something the Devs made up to trick people into spending real money(by converting Zen to dil) to get gear. It used to be the store where people turned in marks of Valor and Exploration for gear. But that system sucked and the devs got rid of the marks and replaced them with dil (which greatly simplified things). They also made the store accessible form anywhere not just by going to the vendor at ESD.

    Dil was created to be something people spend to buy awesome gear. The Dil exchange was added as an alternative way for people to use dil they didn't want to spend on gear.
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    It's not something the Devs made up to trick people into spending real money(by converting Zen to dil) to get gear. It used to be the store where people turned in marks of Valor and Exploration for gear. But that system sucked and the devs got rid of the marks and replaced them with dil (which greatly simplified things). They also made the store accessible form anywhere not just by going to the vendor at ESD.

    Dil was created to be something people spend to buy awesome gear. The Dil exchange was added as an alternative way for people to use dil they didn't want to spend on gear.

    I know that, but you can't argue that's what it has become.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I know that, but you can't argue that's what it has become.
    That's because of player choices, though.
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    That's because of player choices, though.

    And Cryptic would be stupid to not capitalize upon it. I'm just saying they could be doing it better. :P
  • torvinecho25torvinecho25 Member Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Simple reasoning for reducing dili rewards is this;

    With enough effort and enough time, most players can convert a large amount of dilithium into Zen, and thus use this "freely earned" Zen to purchase ships they'd normally have to pay $25 for.

    By reducing the rewards, Crpytic will probably be forcing players to spend more to buy zen, as dilithium will be a less viable option.

    I just hope that Cryptic doesn't shoot themselves in the foot with this...because think about it, a lot (and I mean a LOT) of people buy massive amounts of zen just to trade for dilitium. Reducing the dilitium drop will mean less dilithium on exchange, which means the value of dilitium will go up, which means it will take more zen then originally to gain a large amount of dilithium, which means a lot of people will stop making regular purchases of zen for dilithium, whicn in the end means LESS money for Crpytic, not more. Less money for Cryptic = not good for Cryptic OR the players.

    IDK. I can understand why they are lowing the dilithium drop, but I don't see it as being a smart move for either Crpytic or the players.
  • jerrackjerrack Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    The original weapons -> The normal elite weapons -> The special campaign weapons (No trading) -> The special already bound weapons (no trading) -> old STF weapons -> New ? STF ? weapons

    It makes it harder and harder for new players to get in the game, at least PvP wise. Not sure how things will be PvE wise with Season 7. Who thinks Season 8 might have yet another upgrade?
    "You know, there are some words I've known since I was a schoolboy: ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning. The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we're all damaged. I fear that today..."
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    jerrack wrote: »
    The original weapons -> The normal elite weapons -> The special campaign weapons (No trading) -> The special already bound weapons (no trading) -> old STF weapons -> New ? STF ? weapons

    It makes it harder and harder for new players to get in the game, at least PvP wise. Not sure how things will be PvE wise with Season 7. Who thinks Season 8 might have yet another upgrade?
    could you explain your reasoning here? I don't really understand it.
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