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"The # of Elite STF runs needed to get a Mk XII gear set has been reduced by 60%"
philipag
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Is STO becoming too easy? Do "casual players" keep STO in business? Is everyone a "Jedi"? (sorry, I mean Captain Kirk, Picard, Sisko, etc.)
I don't like to rush to judgment, but this sounds a little like the mistake that killed Star Wars Galaxies.
Too easy is boring.
I don't like to rush to judgment, but this sounds a little like the mistake that killed Star Wars Galaxies.
Too easy is boring.
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Something will cost dil is not a case of something REDUCED.
But there are people who did hundreds of runs and did not get it.
I have not heard of anyone on flleet chat or voice chat complain about the lack of drops.
Everyone knows that you need to do them until you get what you want.
What i do see is a few people in the forums asking for "guarantee of access to benefits."
Its called Entitlement its the new buzz and now its part of the STO Game Mechanics.
My view is people dont want to learn ground thats harder than space or/and dont want to do the missions until they get what they want.
DELTA PRICE RISING
I'll fix it for you! At 100 runs accolade for infected you get 1 elite shield requisition along with the accolade. FIX'd!
But nooo, that's not the real reason for the reputation system.. even though they keep saying it is.
In the new 60% you get nothing on the way. In fact you have to pay on the way.
So what is better?
100% with SET+weapons+dil
or
60% with SET+(-dil)
...And some think this is a great, new system ? I'm already laughing at the ghost towns called 'STF ques' coming in a couple weeks.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
I don't mind the new dilithium costs, the willingness to spend money is not the same as the desire to put everything in the game for sale.
This is coming from the perspective of someone who buys basically everything in the cstore, including all 5 lockbox ships. It's fun to have a purpose for them.
The current XII holodeck drop rate is clearly around 5%, how hard is that really?
Where's our challenge? Why releasing even more armors, weapons, sets, active and passive powers if we have no *interesting* place to use them?
We need a champion/nightmare mode or new truely challenging missions requiring excellent gaming skills and the best available gear...
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
Like.. Infected space with a Fusion Tactical Cube at the end? :P
STO started out very easy, I was max level with BIS PVE gear in about 100 /played hours initially. It looks like now you can get close one step down from BIS in about 150 hours from scratch now, but absolute BIS gear is many days worth of work.
The STF's are old. When they split the ground and space portions they didn't radically change what they were, so this content has been around in one form or another for a long time. That's not a huge problem, but it's time to start having other things people want to do, the new stfs and the new romulan content hopefully.
In MMO's content needs to get easier over time. Really good players (the top 2-5%) who spend a lot of time can get stuff in a week that takes other players months, if not being completely impossible. The STF problem is the random nature of the loot - doing the STF's themselves has gotten easier as more and more people have strats and gear, but not being able to get that one prototype engine or PSG or whatever after months of trying takes the fun out.
As you say, too easy can be boring, extremely rare random items are boring for people who get lucky, and infuriating for people don't. Overall it's not a concept that works fantastically well. You need a little luck and randomness to keep things interesting, but you also need to give people definite goals or they give up on randomness.
Do note 250 Runs is an average. That means half of the population will take less time than that, and half more time. It also means 5% of the population will get it with hardly any effort, and another 5% will see hundreds and hundreds of runs with nothing to show for it. The new system is better, if only because its consistent.
I would call it a near statistical impossibility that the current drop rate is 1% although it probably was at an earlier time which turned off so many people.
You make a good point, except for one thing. Currently it's not 100% with SET+weapons.
It is currently possible to do an STF 300+ times and never see the tech drop. It is a trade off, we're now guaranteed the tech but we won't get as much other things along the way. I haven't been on tribble so I remain skeptical, but from what it sounds like, I'll be able to enjoy STFs again.
That is a good way to calculate it, except if 100 is 60% then 100% is 166 not 250.
The STF's were easy before, with the new buffs associated with the reputation system, the STF's will be just a joke.
I agree, there needs to be a better challenge and there should be rewards associated with completing the harder challenges.
I hate this system where everyone is a Vice Admiral and everyone is a MACO/Honor Guard Elite.
Well I have to admit that I don't mind if everyone has a maco 12 set but at least we need some content where such overpowered stuff is mandatory on top of high playing skills.
I'm sure the devs know we are an important part of the community. Heck! We help people completing missions and getting better at STO, thus we contribute to everyone's enjoyment. We can give a ton of advices on build, strategies, anc contributing even more to everyone's enjoyment, but something really challenging we could do for ourselves would be nice too. We need to broke our backs on something.
It doesn't need to be the uber mega nice instance requiring 6 months of work from the art team but at least something with mechanics able to entertain us before we get the feeling that we've won at STO. I hate having this feeling in games because it means it's over.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
I got a rare shield drop once- in about 100 runs between 2 toons, so if 300 runs=1 set then I should earn a set in...120 runs in the new system?
...forgetting that I gotta pay 200K dilithium to level up my rep so I can claim them.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Its a fix to a broken system. I have 2 Mk XII sets, ive been grinding since they came out with the new STFs more then 1.3k STFs... Please...
The way the current system works are
1 Happy Person (1-10 runs) to 1 Meh person (10-20) to 1 OMFG Person (100-1000 Runs)
The current system, for every Happy person, there has to be a omfg person... The new system forces ppl at Meh. Removing the extreamly pissed and extreamly happy ppl
The system actually works this way:
1-10 runs, nice, this deserves to be supported, Cryptic rocks, I'm buying Zen (with $, not dil)
10-20 runs, wtf is this? um... yea, there are more interesting games out there, cya all
100-1000 runs, OMFG, I'm on drugs or/and need a shrink, definetly
In the end, Cryptic wants us to buy Zen.
Oh. Ok.
(I don't believe in either number anyway. I think it is increased by 500% or something. At least to get 1 simple XII weapon.)
Make a little more money, but don't put everything in the game for sale please.
If drops are a joke, what are all the fancy premium ships and equipment good for getting anyway?
100% agree with that.
I don't want to play a pretty screensaver i want to play a GAME.
i don't see how replacing a broken REWARD SYSTEM with another broken but monetized system is making things easier...
and it may be 60% easier to get a full XII set, but if you want dilithium out of STFs it gets 200% or so harder.
and what do you think Cryptic cares more about? Players running around with a 1 year old helmet graphic, or players trying to get it having their pockets filled with Dilithium in the process?
yah right.
I agree with this
Only kids need the super duper new graphics
Every week to be happy
The rest of us want challenging game play
Add too, fix what we have make it
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