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Attn Devs. Breen and Jemmy Engines and shields are Fail.
ghostyandfrosty
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With the coming changes to the Borg set, you really need to know this.
The jem and breen engines both Fail because they are Combat Engines, and their perks are only marginally better than Blue Gear of their level. (they are Inferior to some purples) No One in pvp, that has a brain can actually get the benefit of a Combat engine. Everyone's engine power that Matters, has 54/25 engine power at minimum. This is due to warp core efficiency, power generation and engine performance. Combat Impulse stops giving bonuses at 50 or higher. This is why that engine went the way of the dodo over the last couple of years.
At the very least the breen and Jem engines need to be Standard Impulse engines. This is only a minor buff at best true, but it's alot better than what we have now in pvp. Ideally you would make them Hypers instead, since it would actually encourage people to play your lolpve.
It also would make them almost worth considering in the final game.
Neither shield is a Cap3. This is another huge detriment to the set. Neither shield has anything resembling decent shield regen either.
If you make the shields cap3, they'll still be inferior over all to Maco, KHG, and Omega however people will actually use them instead of Blue Cap2s in pvp till they can get their Great Stuff.
These two changes, would make the Breen and Jem set decent stop gaps until someone could get their Maco, borg, KHG, or Omega sets. (yes the reman set sucks, and yes it sucks so bad that I'm not even going to mention it in this thread as it's revision needs to be considerably more Extensive than what this thread can offer. If you think this post is long imagine an entire post this long or longer dedicated to Just the Gimpy Reman Set) Seriously, Blue Gear for engines is just as good, and Purples are better. Both of which frankly are much easier to acquire without playing silly lolpve. The shields are only about as effective at best to Cap2 shields. Which are very easily acquirable.
The jem and breen engines both Fail because they are Combat Engines, and their perks are only marginally better than Blue Gear of their level. (they are Inferior to some purples) No One in pvp, that has a brain can actually get the benefit of a Combat engine. Everyone's engine power that Matters, has 54/25 engine power at minimum. This is due to warp core efficiency, power generation and engine performance. Combat Impulse stops giving bonuses at 50 or higher. This is why that engine went the way of the dodo over the last couple of years.
At the very least the breen and Jem engines need to be Standard Impulse engines. This is only a minor buff at best true, but it's alot better than what we have now in pvp. Ideally you would make them Hypers instead, since it would actually encourage people to play your lolpve.
It also would make them almost worth considering in the final game.
Neither shield is a Cap3. This is another huge detriment to the set. Neither shield has anything resembling decent shield regen either.
If you make the shields cap3, they'll still be inferior over all to Maco, KHG, and Omega however people will actually use them instead of Blue Cap2s in pvp till they can get their Great Stuff.
These two changes, would make the Breen and Jem set decent stop gaps until someone could get their Maco, borg, KHG, or Omega sets. (yes the reman set sucks, and yes it sucks so bad that I'm not even going to mention it in this thread as it's revision needs to be considerably more Extensive than what this thread can offer. If you think this post is long imagine an entire post this long or longer dedicated to Just the Gimpy Reman Set) Seriously, Blue Gear for engines is just as good, and Purples are better. Both of which frankly are much easier to acquire without playing silly lolpve. The shields are only about as effective at best to Cap2 shields. Which are very easily acquirable.
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And you still can't use a combat engine effectively :P
This has been the way it is since Launch. It has 0 reason to change now. None.
Also offense engineers are alot more useful than you think, especially with the coming change to the borg set. Mine commonly racks up 300k+ damage (that's within 100k of an Escorts totals), and a million heals (or better) most of which is External healing being thrown, in a typical arena. Where as my tac has 2 subystems at any time that are around 50 /25 my engineers 90 percent of the time, run 100+ across the board, without factoring in my maco bonuses.
In the old skill tree it could be circumstantially useful for Tac Cruisers to have low engine power. The problem though, is modern STO dps is very strong, and every ship now needs every point of defense they can muster.
Combat Engines being useful still won't address the Core Issue of the breen and jem engines Sucking, but it would be a decent start if they were hypers.
The Reman set is the cross dresser you pick up by accident. So pretty, then you realize that all the parts are wrong.
Watching the non-functional 3 piece bonus do effectively nothing in your defense tab is like that moment in the cab when she leans over and says, "By the way, my name's Steve."
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
... wow. Well if that description doesn't do it for you I don't know what will.
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This is true only if you're an engineer, or if you fly an Escort or Cruiser. When in a sciship that needs 125toAux every 5 seconds, you'll have little left for engines and shields, not to mention weapons
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the KHG as a set overall is pretty interesting to decent. It's set bonus actually overcomes the complete Gimp that is known as Combat Engines.
(which no one should field anyway barring an Amazing set bonus somewhere along the line)
I'll grant the 2 piece boost is nice for torp boats. But, I'd rather through in Omega or Aegis Engines. Can't remember the last time I used KHG engines even for Brel torp builds.
Edit:
Fortgot to mention the AoE MES isn't worth the 3rd piece. Must be intiated out of combat, short duration, etc.
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its impossible to have low energy and be effective, your defense score will be a huge liability, you will get circles flyed around you, trying to evasive away simply wont work with a combat engine and you have to have a terrible skill build to somehow not have over 50 engine power. heres what impulse engines need to do
combat- innate turn 3 before any other modifiers, normal energy curve
standard, 1 turn, 1 speed, 1 full, 1, aux thruster mod all innate, normal energy curve
hyper- innate speed 3, high energy curve
and there needs to be a level based buff to speed and turn every level, that works.
I found if I ignored the tooltip and fitted mkxi vs mkxii there is a difference and mkxii is better fyi.
Edit:
55.42 flight speed 36.3 turnrate vs 54.84 flight speed 36.3 turn rate. slight difference
Aegis 54.40 fs, 35.2 turnrate
romulan 37.71 fs, 34.1 turnrate
khg mkxii 36.03 fs, 37.4 turnrate
all at 109/100 engine power
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The 25% AUX thrusters when the engine is disabled is not better than just sitting there?
The up to +10 Wep Pwr when you've switched to Aux/Shields is not helpful?
It's better to have a higher Engine power when you're still going to be flying slower because you want to turn eventually - typically done in the larger ship which is not going to be looking as much at Def as simply being able to tank the damage vs. the more nimble ship which is not going to be looking to tank the damage as much as to avoid the damage?
You know, I'd always thought that the engines were situational. It's not a case of one engine being the perfect engine for every ship. If you're flying X ship, then A or B might be better. If you're flying Y or Z ship, then you'd definitely want to look at C...
...this thread leads me to believe everything I posted above is wrong.
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
Yeah it's not the same. Combat impulse stops giving any kind of bonus at 50 or greater engine power. Just like Hyper engines give bonuses at 51 or higher and not 75 or higher.
the Aux disable doesn't make up for the set in questions Short Comings, is part of the problem. the variable power bonus is meh because a Warp Core engineer doff will give you +25 anyway if it procs. Maco will pretty much get you +10 instantly once you are shot at, and Leech gives you +16 if you are shooting anything anyway. To say nothing of EPS power transfers, Weapon Batteries, combo batteries, Red Matter Capacitors, Team Batteries, and oberth consoles.
Even at a Lower slider setting, at /25 -all- of my toons are comfortably over 50 power in engines.
Well then - that seems like a major blunder on Cryptic's part then - because Hell, not even trying it's easy to pass 50 when set at 25.
PVE to PVP has always driven me crazy though. Probably one of the reasons I ran 2+2's on so many toons - running a 3-5 STFs for a single Borg piece...meh.
No doubt if somebody's going to premade - they're going to do what they need to do.
Yeah, the 50 thing... just blows my mind.
Combat engines +huge turn bonus
Normal engines +power efficiency bonus
Hyper engines +speed bonus
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It isn't, it's just only applicable when the set is equipped on a Galor or Bug ship.
I suppose the better question would be: "How are you getting 54/25?"
I have 9 points in Warp Core Efficiency and Warp Core Potential (Impulse Thrusters, too...but that seems irrelevant to power levels). I have 6 points in Engine Performance. Putting in 3 more points into it shouldn't give me 7 more power in my system.
I noticed the increase as well. I use Advanced Fleet Hyper-Impulse engines mk XII [turn]x3 [spd], and despite having the same flight speed as my Omega Hyper-Impulse Engines MK XI, the Fleet engines adds an additional .5 to my flight speed.
I didn't have the Omega mk XII engines until recently, but didn't even bother confirming the hidden MK bonus.
why is mav banned again?
*sadcricket*