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xsharpex
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how long will it last if they keep pissing off core groups of people?
to name a few:
1. the entire klingon faction (all 16% of us) - neglected time and time again
2. people who love pvp - broken, boring and what's the point?
3. longtime subscribers - lack of recognition and acknowledgement
4. short term subscribers - why even bother anymore?
whose next on the list?
1. small fleets - t5 and beyond starbases unobtainable
2. large fleets - cstore purchasable t5 and beyond starbases
3. dedicated pvers - increased wait for significant, playable and fun content
4. lock box ship owners - account bound and purchasable from cstore
5. fans - with holding ships/features that you love; or worse off butchering it
6. the rest of you - when the game finally shuts down because it's no longer profitable
I love this game too much to quit. I know that there are quite a few of you out there that are on the edge. do as you must, but i'd urge you to stay for the sheer pleasure of seeing the other shoe drop. You know it's going to happen.
Those who will cry out will cry out for all the same reasons. Those who applaud it will either benefit from it or will be that indifferent about it. however, everyone has a breaking point and when your button gets pushed, you then will know how it felt. it's called karma. either way, dstahl and his chinese overlords are laughing their way to the bank.
so feel free to not care today. feel free to fan the flames. i just hope that when the tables are turned, that you will not become as jaded as i am towards the company and the community that i am. i also hope that people will be more compassionate towards your plight than they have ours.
my 2 slips of gold pressed latinum
- @sharpe-
p.s. i hope this post doesn't get buried in another flame log like my other one was. please and thank you.
to name a few:
1. the entire klingon faction (all 16% of us) - neglected time and time again
2. people who love pvp - broken, boring and what's the point?
3. longtime subscribers - lack of recognition and acknowledgement
4. short term subscribers - why even bother anymore?
whose next on the list?
1. small fleets - t5 and beyond starbases unobtainable
2. large fleets - cstore purchasable t5 and beyond starbases
3. dedicated pvers - increased wait for significant, playable and fun content
4. lock box ship owners - account bound and purchasable from cstore
5. fans - with holding ships/features that you love; or worse off butchering it
6. the rest of you - when the game finally shuts down because it's no longer profitable
I love this game too much to quit. I know that there are quite a few of you out there that are on the edge. do as you must, but i'd urge you to stay for the sheer pleasure of seeing the other shoe drop. You know it's going to happen.
Those who will cry out will cry out for all the same reasons. Those who applaud it will either benefit from it or will be that indifferent about it. however, everyone has a breaking point and when your button gets pushed, you then will know how it felt. it's called karma. either way, dstahl and his chinese overlords are laughing their way to the bank.
so feel free to not care today. feel free to fan the flames. i just hope that when the tables are turned, that you will not become as jaded as i am towards the company and the community that i am. i also hope that people will be more compassionate towards your plight than they have ours.
my 2 slips of gold pressed latinum
- @sharpe-
p.s. i hope this post doesn't get buried in another flame log like my other one was. please and thank you.
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Of course, I don't really believe that PWE gives a flaying-TRIBBLE about that kinda stuff anyway.
They bought Cryptic supposedly on the premise of doing better in the Western MMO Market...
They certainly have shown an extremely ignorant way of achieving that goal.
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to name a few:
1. the entire klingon faction (all 16% of us) - neglected time and time again
i solved this problem.. deleted my klingon
2. people who love pvp - broken, boring and what's the point?
i love it but its broken..
i had one game where the other team quit and we couldnt finish the match
luckily someone joined in and was nice enought to let us kill him a few times
3. longtime subscribers - lack of recognition and acknowledgement
to bad so sad.. heres a tissue
what do you get from wow, swtor, lotro, .. not much
the rent/vs buy argument applies here
4. short term subscribers - why even bother anymore?
story line, thats why i play this game, for Fepisodes..
havent done much stf, and pvp is to broken to pretend
would leave and come back every few months for another crack
whose next on the list?
1. small fleets - t5 and beyond starbases unobtainable
cant help you there.. we are a fleet of 3... and i still like the game
2. large fleets - cstore purchasable t5 and beyond starbases
? wouldnt know
3. dedicated pvers - increased wait for significant, playable and fun content
/signed.. its true but hey 4400 was pretty awesome.. i play for story
4. lock box ship owners - account bound and purchasable from cstore
:mad:ANYONE who buys end level gear has no right to complain! if i bought a shield in wow then cried becuase lich king expansion made all my loots lower than level cap, thats my problem!
these arnt heirloom items.. you dont get to take last years car back because the new one has mag wheels..
5. fans - with holding ships/features that you love; or worse off butchering it
they do the best they can, with what they have got.. jeesh
6. the rest of you - when the game finally shuts down because it's no longer profitable
they will always make new shinies for $$$.. love it or leave it, you dont have to pay but as long as you dont feel your getting ripped toot on
my 2 cents.. yes there are bad bits (paid race change) but there are some great bits..
dont expect, just appreciate.. at least its trek
ok i sound like a jerk, you have complaints and some of them are valid, but some are just nit picking
I think you mistake my post. It's merely suggestive of how many players are going to be around if this trend keeps happening? Sure, you can enjoy your story line quests, but how long can you replay these while you wait for more? if you leave like you do and many others follow suit, why should PWE let this game continue? If it becomes unprofitable for them, they're going to shut it down. Honestly, please explain to me how I'm being nitpicking if for the first four, there have been countless threads about and the rest is mere speculation?
For small fleets, there have already been requests to scale project resources. The unfair bias between large fleets and small fleets.
For large fleets, what's stopping PWE from letting small fleets or 1 man fleets from buying tier 5 starbases for cold hard cash?
The same point can be made for owners of character bound lock box ships. It's all a money grab after all, no?
Certainly you may not care about any of these points as you, personally, care only about fed episodes. The time between the romulan/reman episodes and the 2800 episodes was about 1 year. What if the time between the next episodes was 1.5 years? You, yourself, said that you would leave and pop back in when there's new content, which furthermore reinforces the point i was trying to make: how long will this game last if people end up leaving because of 1 or more various reasons?
does it matter to you? who knows? who cares. it's cavalier attitudes like yours that will let them milk this game and this franchise until it's bone dry. this game means nothing to you and nothing to them. have fun with your next game.
We love the game that is why we are here. If we knew the everything they were going to do 2 years ago a lot of people would not be here. We stuck around on promises and became invested. Then as things change we grumble more but ignoring it because we are not more invested and don't want to leave on a loss. now here we are and the forums are on fire a lot of time but we still don't leave.
I have a lts. I have a lot of account wide unlock from before s5/f2p that are now per character. I have lots of ships (More then I have toons to fly them and I have a bug ship) I have many toons. When I make a toon I can pimp him out before I decide to skip the tutorial.
I have max bank space on my main and lots of gear.
Will I leave it all if they do something I don't like? No I'm invested.
Will I grumble? Sure.
Is Cryptic closing the gap between me and a new player? yes.
Am I upset about that? No. I have so much stuff on my character that I am still way ahead of them. I have gear they they cannot get or have to spend an arm and a leg for. I have things like nanopulse bat'leth and borg medical analyzers and lots of c-store TRIBBLE that they most likely wont buy for every toon.
And over time I became so invested that I know the core players most likely wont quit. They may take a break but never give up everything. And gradually they will add more loot to our banks and if we leave even for a moment we could miss out on another freebie like a new season beta-testing tribble to add to the dozen stored on boffs.
I totally know what you're saying about being pot committed. I've been here since beta. Played through all of the seasons with a brief pause in season 3. these last day and so has been especially tough. i honestly don't give two craps about any of the vet rewards themselves. for me, it's about what they symbolized. the reward that reflected some sort of acknowledgement and thanks for sticking with us for all this time. for helping us identify and stomp out bugs, all the while paying or have paid to play this game. for the continued support and feedback given for all this content that everyone gets to experience today. that dedication. the "time" that people like me have put into shaping, defining and refining the game that you all enjoy today.
that really was my tipping point. the way that Cryptic/PWE turned their backs on us and the subsequent response by the community when we tried to express our outrage. we've all contributed to making the game what it is today, whether it's financially, through bug reports or through forum feedback and criticism. we powered the development by funding this game through our contributions. we were the foundation the kept this game going. for them to shrug us off like that and for the lack of support from the community (among other things) is just unacceptable.
i am merely taking a stand for the game that i love to play. i want it to thrive and succeed, but I can not see this happening if nothing significant changes.
Well said. I understand and respect the OP's opinion but for me personally theres always going to be a sense of "doom" about the game from some quarters.
I dont see the latest LTS sale offer as a panic move by Cryptic/PWE at all. There have been numerous posts in the past about "Is it worth taking an LTS" and for ages the general answer has always been a resounding no. Well guess what, they just made it worthwhile! As far as I can see that was their intention.
They do stuff wrong, dont we all, and they will always drop the ball for some people along the way. Such is life.
The lts definitely looks more worth wild from this move. Unfortunately gold on its own is still only worth it while leveling up a toon. The biggest perk of the lts is suppose to be gold forever. Not the vet rewards. I still believe that they need to make gold worth wild first to encourage being a regular subscriptions. That in itself should make the lts more valuable.
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
But to answer the op.
All the player base is owed is the game. The vet rewards thing is a mess but this is the only mmo, and ive played a bunch, that has anything like it.
If i went to restaurant and didnt like the food. I wouldnt go back. If a restaurant had a " buy 10 sandwiches get the 11th free and it took me 2 months i wouldnt be upset that someone came in and bought 10 at once.
This game is shallow an simplistic. But it is addictive and there is nothing else trek in the market. That is why it is lasting.
Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.
And thinks the company knows better it
Will fail
Anytime a company ignores it's core cannon
It will fail
Star wars galaxies proved that it was the best
Most innovative mmo on the market but there
Refusal to balance the classes caused it's downfall
Leaving it's innovative system and trying to copy
WOW. Was the final nail I'n it's coffin
This company would do well ignoring jhon smedley
CEO of soe and doing just the opposite of
His teachings after all he took something as easy
To succeed with like star wars and failed
Listen to your players base your fan base pay
Attention to your cannon and you cannot fail
With star trek
Ignor those basic things at your peril
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
1. if you want more exploring, please enter any nebula and you can have all the dungeon instances you want. as for the shinies, you're out of luck. they're not going to drop the shinies that you want.
2. if you went to a restaurant and loved their food, yet their staff treated you like TRIBBLE and you had to demand things that other customers got (i.e. klingon vs fed content), would you go back? As for your second assertion, i don't give two craps about who gets what or when. I only cared about how a segment of customers, including myself, were treated. but that within itself is another topic all together.
3. I hope you are right. I hope this game is lasting, however, it won't for the reasons you described above. There are only so many times you can run a feature episode. There are so many times you can do stfs. Waiting half an hour or more for a single pvp match is unacceptable. You can doff and refine dilithium and work on your starbase, but eventually you realize that it isn't fun. It's a grind. It's a job. People want stuff that they can enjoy consistently.
You try staying addicted to something if you had to wait a year between fixes (Romulan/Reman FE --> 2400 FE). Or how about the Klingon wait for their very own, exclusive FE?
All in all, customers will take some TRIBBLE, but keep piling it on and even the most die-hard will question their commitment.
Who do you think found, identified and reported the bugs to all the content that you enjoy? For the two years before STO went f2p, long term active subscribers were your quality assurance team. Players actually payed to play this game, payed to complain about bugs and payed to wait around for the fixes to the bugs we identified. It basically works the same as it does right now. The only difference is that we payed to do so. The game's devs rely on our feedback to things that they break. If they had any kind of quality control standards, things would not be as broken as they have been.
Unfortunately, I haven't seen much improvement since I came back a few months ago and I certainly wouldn't be playing this if it weren't free. I could go into detail about that but many points have already been covered in this thread and in others. This game will eventually die (which is a shame) because no dedication to a franchise as a whole will sustain a poorly designed and improperly updated game indefinitely.