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mintyfresh05mintyfresh05 Member Posts: 10 Arc User
edited September 2012 in PvP Gameplay
Ok so we all know that alot of people avoid pvp either because they get rolled all the time by teams, dont enjoy pvp, or are just terrible at it.

We also know that pug`in can leave you with deep set mental scars and anger issues!

Yes we can all be in a fleet and yes we can try and get a team from Opvp channel but alot of the time you find that if your in a team you roll most teams and if you are pug`in on your own and come agaisnt a team then well most of the time it ends up bad.

This is made worse by those dam AFKers who just want the dilithium or turn up in shuttles or 0 shields etc.

It would be nice for pvp to be able to get fleet marks as well but this could make the afk and farming worse.

Here`s what I think could be done to help some of these problems:

Ques are split into team and single. You can only que for single if not in a team in any way.
You can earn dilithium from this and the normal dilithium daily still counts.

Team ques are for anyone who is teamed, full teams, 3 people, 2 people etc etc
This rewards fleet marks on a daily mission but instead of played 3 matches you have to win 3 matches so people dont just team and afk or farm. (maybe should do that for the single ques too)

Also maybe the option to team kick AFK`ers maybe, but this prob wont be needed if you have to win anyway.

I think these improvements would benifit pvp whilst letting people enjoy pug matches
but still letting fleets and teams group up and get rewarded for it via maybe fleet marks or at least maybe a second daily dilithium reward.


Thanks,

Minter
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    teleon22teleon22 Member Posts: 424
    edited September 2012
    mintyfresh05 wrote: »
    Ok so we all know that alot of people avoid pvp either because they get rolled all the time by teams, dont enjoy pvp, or are just terrible at it.

    We also know that pug`in can leave you with deep set mental scars and anger issues!

    Yes we can all be in a fleet and yes we can try and get a team from Opvp channel but alot of the time you find that if your in a team you roll most teams and if you are pug`in on your own and come agaisnt a team then well most of the time it ends up bad.

    This is made worse by those dam AFKers who just want the dilithium or turn up in shuttles or 0 shields etc.

    It would be nice for pvp to be able to get fleet marks as well but this could make the afk and farming worse.

    Here`s what I think could be done to help some of these problems:

    Ques are split into team and single. You can only que for single if not in a team in any way.
    You can earn dilithium from this and the normal dilithium daily still counts.

    Team ques are for anyone who is teamed, full teams, 3 people, 2 people etc etc
    This rewards fleet marks on a daily mission but instead of played 3 matches you have to win 3 matches so people dont just team and afk or farm. (maybe should do that for the single ques too)

    Also maybe the option to team kick AFK`ers maybe, but this prob wont be needed if you have to win anyway.

    I think these improvements would benifit pvp whilst letting people enjoy pug matches
    but still letting fleets and teams group up and get rewarded for it via maybe fleet marks or at least maybe a second daily dilithium reward.


    Thanks,

    Minter

    I think forcing people to win a PVP match for the reward will cause problems for a lot of people. Just saying.
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    ghostyandfrostyghostyandfrosty Member Posts: 864
    edited September 2012
    They'll either learn how to pvp or quit pvping.

    Either way frankly is a win win as it improves the quality of matches.

    Seriously, every mmo worth it's salt rewards Victory more than mere Participation.
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    crusty8maccrusty8mac Member Posts: 1,381 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    ghostyandfrosty wrote: »
    They'll either learn how to pvp or quit pvping.

    Seriously, every mmo worth it's salt rewards Victory more than mere Participation.

    I'm not an expert on MMOs, but the ones I play all reward based on a number of factors, not just wins.
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    ghostyandfrostyghostyandfrosty Member Posts: 864
    edited September 2012
    At least for the Turn Ins.

    There needs to be rewards increases across the board mind.

    At this point we need DOFF rewards, increased Energy Creds. To get people to want to play. Maybe make those rewards the Victory Rewards on Turn in. The reason for this? Because the dumb TRIBBLE starbase of course. PvP should not come at the expense of your progression in this game, and unfortunately due to the Moron that came up with the starbase system and who ever decided "nope pvp shouldn't have anything to do with this ever! even though this directly affects pvp balance!", is what we have now.
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    mintyfresh05mintyfresh05 Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    teleon22 wrote: »
    I think forcing people to win a PVP match for the reward will cause problems for a lot of people. Just saying.

    Well if they are in the "single" pug queue then they have the same chance of winning as the teams will be completely random and not getting beat by a core team or even 2 or 3 grouped good players.
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    drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I really like this idea. It's one of the best I've heard lately :)
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    travelingmastertravelingmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I like the 'single' queue concept. It would help resolve the problem of premades invading the pug queues and being matched up against a team of random pugs. . .almost guaranteeing a turkey shoot.
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    ghostyandfrostyghostyandfrosty Member Posts: 864
    edited September 2012
    travelingmaster wrote: »
    I like the 'single' queue concept. It would help resolve the problem of premades invading the pug queues and being matched up against a team of random pugs. . .almost guaranteeing a turkey shoot.

    When I que up as a pug, more than half the time it's a turkey shoot already. Just sayin.
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    bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    The OPs ideas do have a minty freshness about them..........
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    aquitaine985aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    The "Queue as a team or queue as a single player" idea is as old as the trees, and still hasn't been done.
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    hurleybirdhurleybird Member Posts: 909
    edited September 2012
    And it's not really a good idea either. Not with the current PvP population.

    Assuming a healthy PvP population the best way to do split queue's is this:

    Queue as a premade, search for other premades to fight against for one minute (or x amount of time), and if no other premade is found then put the premade into the general queue.
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    thishorizonthishorizon Member Posts: 1,158
    edited September 2012
    at this point, after 2 years, i'm just tired of people ********.

    ******** about not being able to solo it in a MMO that is team oriented

    ******** about escorts doing too much damage

    ******** about cruisers doing to much healing

    ******** about how science has been getting **** on constantly

    ******** about "leet" players who just talk trash and wave their epeen


    this is the only place we get to play trek, and we ruin it for ourselves.


    its a ****** multiplayer game people. grow some balls, make some friends, and stop asking the devs to change the game to cater to you. this world has WAY to much of that already, especially state side for all you basement dwellers that live off of your granny's welfare or daddy's unemployment check. (okay, that was mean. i'm sorry)

    the devs can't spend time on this, they are too busy creating the next lock box bull**** OP ship for their asian overlords........so we can complain about it. (they won't say so, but trust me, it has to be an inside joke by now)

    but for pete sake people, its a game. and its really not all that bad. you take the good you take the bad you take the rest.....and there you have....the facts of life....the facts of life.....

    put down the cookie dough tootie, put down the cookie dough.
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    trueprom3theustrueprom3theus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    The state of pvp, as we all know it: nothing new was added, it's almost at the state when game was released, maybe worse since we had more maps then... It blows my mind that cryptic doesn't do anything about it. Leveling through pvp is impossible, a queue pops up in hours, Kerrat is empty - so going there resumes in doing again pve, rewards for pvp just plain suck, you don't get drops (other than, again, doing Kerrat pve), you don't get fleet marks, no edc, all you get is some pathetic amount of ec that currently means nothing and it's dated since before game went f2p. there is absolutely no reason for doing pvp other than the fun that we have. And even this fun goes away when you fight a team that either just plain sucks or is a premade. Considering this, how would be anybody be stimulated to pvp? Come on cryptic, I'm not talking about new pvp maps, style, etc, just adding some reasonable rewards would mean a lot for pvp. Exploiting the marks, drops, etc is just a bad excuse, there are afkers in pve also, and let's be honest, they get the rewards anyways in pve. So why such a big deal in not adding anything for pvp? Is cryptic's plan to shut it down? Too many players left for better games because pvp's poor state, and that's a shame.
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    mintyfresh05mintyfresh05 Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    hurleybird wrote: »
    And it's not really a good idea either. Not with the current PvP population.

    Assuming a healthy PvP population the best way to do split queue's is this:

    Queue as a premade, search for other premades to fight against for one minute (or x amount of time), and if no other premade is found then put the premade into the general queue.

    Is kind of the point. Theres a reason the population in pvp is low....
    Doing nothing is what they have done for pvp since the start apart from FvF, and thats not sorted it.

    If the queue doesn`t pop after 1 min then your put back in normal que then its nearly the same, people who arnt that good at pvp or arnt in a team will still face teams and be but off.
    I think that more people will que if they know it is complete pug.
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    mintyfresh05mintyfresh05 Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    thishorizon wrote: »
    at this point, after 2 years, i'm just tired of people ********.

    ******** about not being able to solo it in a MMO that is team oriented

    ******** about escorts doing too much damage

    ******** about cruisers doing to much healing

    ******** about how science has been getting **** on constantly

    ******** about "leet" players who just talk trash and wave their epeen


    this is the only place we get to play trek, and we ruin it for ourselves.


    its a ****** multiplayer game people. grow some balls, make some friends, and stop asking the devs to change the game to cater to you. this world has WAY to much of that already, especially state side for all you basement dwellers that live off of your granny's welfare or daddy's unemployment check. (okay, that was mean. i'm sorry)

    the devs can't spend time on this, they are too busy creating the next lock box bull**** OP ship for their asian overlords........so we can complain about it. (they won't say so, but trust me, it has to be an inside joke by now)

    but for pete sake people, its a game. and its really not all that bad. you take the good you take the bad you take the rest.....and there you have....the facts of life....the facts of life.....

    put down the cookie dough tootie, put down the cookie dough.


    I suggesting a way it can be better, not crying about it. Also im in a pvp fleet so the friends and the team is there, that does not mean you cant suggest improvments.
    And as for "cater the game for you", well im suggesting an improvment for all players and as i pay and they make money from us then we can ask for changes.

    Maybe your guy that pays for a meal but wont send it back or ask for them to change some thing because "they wont cater it to you?"

    I also UK and work full time, so can I have a say now??
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    trueprom3theustrueprom3theus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    mintyfresh05 wrote: »
    I suggesting a way it can be better, not crying about it. Also im in a pvp fleet so the friends and the team is there, that does not mean you cant suggest improvments.
    And as for "cater the game for you", well im suggesting an improvment for all players and as i pay and they make money from us then we can ask for changes.

    Maybe your guy that pays for a meal but wont send it back or ask for them to change some thing because "they wont cater it to you?"

    I also UK and work full time, so can I have a say now??

    When they'll get to pvp for real, if thats ever going to happen, they need to do a separate premade queue, where only premades can enter, pug Q should not allow more than 2 member from same fleet or a team to join. If they do that now though, queues will pop even less. Pug vs premade sucks from both pug and premade point of view.
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    marctraiderzmarctraiderz Member Posts: 539 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    thishorizon wrote: »
    at this point, after 2 years, i'm just tired of people ********.

    ******** about not being able to solo it in a MMO that is team oriented

    ******** about escorts doing too much damage

    ******** about cruisers doing to much healing

    ******** about how science has been getting **** on constantly

    ******** about "leet" players who just talk trash and wave their epeen


    this is the only place we get to play trek, and we ruin it for ourselves.


    its a ****** multiplayer game people. grow some balls, make some friends, and stop asking the devs to change the game to cater to you. this world has WAY to much of that already, especially state side for all you basement dwellers that live off of your granny's welfare or daddy's unemployment check. (okay, that was mean. i'm sorry)

    the devs can't spend time on this, they are too busy creating the next lock box bull**** OP ship for their asian overlords........so we can complain about it. (they won't say so, but trust me, it has to be an inside joke by now)

    but for pete sake people, its a game. and its really not all that bad. you take the good you take the bad you take the rest.....and there you have....the facts of life....the facts of life.....

    put down the cookie dough tootie, put down the cookie dough.

    I kinda agree with horizon, ive accepted this is what the game will be, and what it will stay.

    I'm already looking forward to the new lockboxes, and cstore ships. Why? because its all the content we will get.

    And Ill gladly pay for a game i like.
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    snoge00fsnoge00f Member Posts: 1,812 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    thishorizon wrote: »
    but for pete sake people, its a game. and its really not all that bad. you take the good you take the bad you take the rest.....and there you have....the facts of life....the facts of life.....

    put down the cookie dough tootie, put down the cookie dough.

    Tell us how you really feel. Are you drunk again? :P

    And yes, it's just a game. A game that will die in a few years or so.

    When I get fed up with the nonsense, I just play better games like Dark Souls on the PC. :P
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    snoge00fsnoge00f Member Posts: 1,812 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    mintyfresh05 wrote: »
    Is kind of the point. Theres a reason the population in pvp is low....
    Doing nothing is what they have done for pvp since the start apart from FvF, and thats not sorted it.

    If the queue doesn`t pop after 1 min then your put back in normal que then its nearly the same, people who arnt that good at pvp or arnt in a team will still face teams and be but off.
    I think that more people will que if they know it is complete pug.

    If only they instituted some form of AFK check and some proper rewards for PvPing, then maybe we'd see more varied skill levels playing the game, instead of just the Dilithium farmers, experienced players, and premades.


    Ah, what am I talking about. They'll never do anything meaningful and positive besides the occasional power rebalance.
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    thishorizonthishorizon Member Posts: 1,158
    edited September 2012
    mintyfresh05 wrote: »
    I suggesting a way it can be better, not crying about it. Also im in a pvp fleet so the friends and the team is there, that does not mean you cant suggest improvments.
    And as for "cater the game for you", well im suggesting an improvment for all players and as i pay and they make money from us then we can ask for changes.

    Maybe your guy that pays for a meal but wont send it back or ask for them to change some thing because "they wont cater it to you?"

    I also UK and work full time, so can I have a say now??

    oh, my bad buddie. it seems you have mistaken my slight rage towards this game as if it were directed towards you, it is not sir. not at all.

    i think your idea is solid, i speak not ill of your thoughts, i value all input on how to make this game better, its why i post here.

    i meerly frustratedly quick posted. we have all tried so hard, for so long to get any of our ideas heard, let alone implemented in the game.

    but such as MT, one of the top, if not THE top player in the game, somehow agrees with my thoughts, you can most likely echo them across many of the pvp regulars.

    by now, we just want to play, and we want everyone to get over trying to get them to listen on how to make this game balanced for pvp somehow.

    so, i believe we should all just make do with what we have. set your own private personal matches and rules. make friends, it helps.

    have fun kill bad guys.

    horizon
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    falloutx23falloutx23 Member Posts: 456
    edited September 2012
    thishorizon wrote: »
    at this point, after 2 years, i'm just tired of people ********.

    ******** about not being able to solo it in a MMO that is team oriented

    Im mother ****ing kirk god damn it!

    ******** about escorts doing too much damage

    Little escorts should not be able to mount "HEAVY" cannons damn it!

    ******** about cruisers doing to much healing

    My cruiser does WAY too much healing damn it!

    ******** about how science has been getting **** on constantly

    My sci ship has been taking it in the nacelles for a year now damn it!

    ******** about "leet" players who just talk trash and wave their epeen

    If I cant wave my epeen around, this pump was a total waste of money damn it!


    this is the only place we get to play trek, and we ruin it for ourselves.

    I play trek at least once a week in the bedroom


    its a ****** multiplayer game people. grow some balls, make some friends, and stop asking the devs to change the game to cater to you. this world has WAY to much of that already, especially state side for all you basement dwellers that live off of your granny's welfare or daddy's unemployment check. (okay, that was mean. i'm sorry)

    the devs can't spend time on this, they are too busy creating the next lock box bull**** OP ship for their asian overlords........so we can complain about it. (they won't say so, but trust me, it has to be an inside joke by now)

    but for pete sake people, its a game. and its really not all that bad. you take the good you take the bad you take the rest.....and there you have....the facts of life....the facts of life.....
    the facts of life are all about ME...damn it!
    put down the cookie dough tootie, put down the cookie dough.

    Something tells me horizon would be a fun guy to get drunk with...;)
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    thepleasuredomethepleasuredome Member Posts: 308
    edited September 2012
    falloutx23 wrote: »
    Something tells me horizon would be a fun guy to get drunk with...;)

    I'll have drinks with you and him for sure!
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    thishorizonthishorizon Member Posts: 1,158
    edited September 2012
    rofl.

    i love you guys.
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    ghostyandfrostyghostyandfrosty Member Posts: 864
    edited September 2012
    Damian. Get our your rum.

    It's drinking time!
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    dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    drinking with you guys would be awesome. in fact, its miller time!
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    fakehilbertfakehilbert Member Posts: 252 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    This idea fails because it is attempting to fix the wrong thing.

    The problem with random pvp queues is not that you may meet 2 or 3 pre-teamed players, it is that one's (random) team mates generally are utterly useless.
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    mintyfresh05mintyfresh05 Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    thishorizon wrote: »
    oh, my bad buddie. it seems you have mistaken my slight rage towards this game as if it were directed towards you, it is not sir. not at all.

    i think your idea is solid, i speak not ill of your thoughts, i value all input on how to make this game better, its why i post here.

    i meerly frustratedly quick posted. we have all tried so hard, for so long to get any of our ideas heard, let alone implemented in the game.

    but such as MT, one of the top, if not THE top player in the game, somehow agrees with my thoughts, you can most likely echo them across many of the pvp regulars.

    by now, we just want to play, and we want everyone to get over trying to get them to listen on how to make this game balanced for pvp somehow.

    so, i believe we should all just make do with what we have. set your own private personal matches and rules. make friends, it helps.

    have fun kill bad guys.

    horizon

    Ok cool sry about my rant then :)
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    bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    thishorizon wrote: »

    the devs can't spend time on this, they are too busy creating the next lock box bull**** OP ship for their asian overlords........so we can complain about it. (they won't say so, but trust me, it has to be an inside joke by now)

    AH so................
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    chat1900chat1900 Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    great idea!!!
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    jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited September 2012
    Balance would improve pvp

    Damage caps, defense caps

    Pvp will never improve under this system because
    Damage is out of control

    If it's not competive , They won't play
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