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Have fleet starbases lived up to your expectations?
thetruthurts
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Simple question: have fleet starbases lived up to your expectations? Why or why not?
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As 95% of my Fleet doesn't PvP no one's been pushing hard for Fleet advancement - no one really cares about the various Provision or Fleet Ships. We only recently hit T2 in all areas but we've only had 12 Provisions used out of 127 members and over 400 characters in the Fleet. The biggest demand seems to be for the T4 Aquarius ship - which we'll probably get to around Christmas.
So outside of my typical comment that I'd rather see more Mission Content in Seasons rather then system updates, I haven't had any more issue with Season 6 then I have the earlier Seasons.
Right now there is really no reason to visit anyone else's starbase. I was hoping for a place where fleets could have something truly their own.
Massive personalized banners hanging from the walls, customisable welcome plaques in the transporter room, entirely different textures and aesthetics (New and Shiny, Old and Worn, Old and Well Kept, TNG visuals and textures, yadda, yadda, yadda...), possibly a Farscape style marketplace full of odd aliens selling weird (rare) wares you're unable to purchase anywhere else, customisable contacts, and the ability to name/dress them in starbases, the list goes on.
As it stands right now, everyone has the same projects, same visuals, same, same, same. There is literally no difference between the options that the fleets "Guardians of Equestira", "Ten Forward", "Minuteman", and "Cats United". You could go to anyone of these starbases and you would never tell the difference. And that's sad.
It's what I was expecting, I knew it would be like this, but it's not what I wanted.
That pretty much sums it up for me.
If they enabled PvP between fleets, I would enjoy them more. As it is, they're just another timesink and another means to get new ships.
Same here.
Short answer: No
I was expecting this to be something to do on the side and build up over time with fun things to do, but instead it ended up being nothing but a gigantic moneysink with real and game currencies, with more Boring Grinds, all for no real benefits.
Once my fleets are completed with Tier 2, we are done.
I don't believe very many people would be pleased with a Fleetbase that needed to be constantly rebuilt after every failed Alert. That would really make Fleetbases a currency sink.
I never said it should have to be rebuilt after every failure, so responding as if I did is just a strawman tactic. However without having any effect at all on the base, the defense missions are meaningless to the system itself. In fact, they are not really even a part of the fleet base system. They are completely optional and have no effect in any way on the development of the base; just like the colony defense and no win scenario missions.
By your logic there can never be a territory control system in the game as players and the devs have discussed in the past. If dying doesnt matter or have any effect on the game, then there would be no metric to decide which faction controls X territory.
And TC is really a pipe dream. We can all pretend it's coming, but I wouldn't expect to see it before 2014; and who knows what will happen to the game between now and then. They might have a new owner by then with entirely different plans for the game.
I worry about the Season directly ahead of me. I've been here too long to worry about things which they'd like to do at some point.
In PvP you are not fighting for control of anything.
But, as I said above, debating things that are a year, maybe even longer, away seems pointless - especially when those things have never even been confirmed, but are just in the "we'd like to do it at some point" category. Heck, as far as I know Cryptic hasn't even fully replaced Gozer yet, and he was they guy doing the new PvP system.
So how is that so radically different than a team effort having an effect when defending a starbase?
That may very well be true, but it is a completely different argument than saying that "death does not matter in the game in any fashion".
No, I understand that difference
The insane grind and money sink that these are, all we get to show for it is a starbase that looks like everyone elses and space/ground gear that pales in comparison to the elite gear already available.
To top it off, once we do the insane grind to get the supposed pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, we are then met with more expense to buy the stuff we just spent months grinding for!
As you can probably tell, I am not exactly happy with the starbase system.....
I was hoping doffs would get some unique missions inside the base and the limited time projects are not done in a way i would have hoped for. (a certain number should unlock at each tier and you just pick the one you want in the order you want) but im happy enough with the rest of it.
I did dare to hope that the fleet base defense missions would be more intrinsically tied to your fleet's base, that there'd be more customization, and new features. Instead we got what I've come to expect from Cryptic, a one size fits all base with the exact same contacts we already had access to. In fact the only new functionality i've seen thus far is the inclusion of the doff vendor with fleet credits.
I still find it hard to believe they couldn't even make new skins for existing ships with a fleet version. Or even a few more parts, like nacelle and dish variants, even if only cosmetic! Actually they took out existing skins you could buy off the Z-store and made them available thru fleet ships only. How desperate must they be to get anything new done that they had to resort to cannibalizing existing products?
Nevermind the whole fleet ship issue. Everything has been said already, nothing new would add anything of value.
@thecosmic1, they actually DID specify what would happen if you failed the fleet defense for your base, you would not get any bonuses but would get the usual values for things. We all assumed you would get regular recognition or whatever stat they came up with and if you successfully defended the base you'd get an extra bonus on top of that. I want to say there was also mention of your base construction being paused for a while if you were unable to defend the base, presumably not so much that it would cripple construction. They even went so far as to specify you would not loose any progress on your base.
I expected some grinding, but yeah, buying the gear at the end of the road isn't quite worth it. In fact, some of my resources are being conserved for buying that gear, which in turn prevents me from getting the necessary fleet credits. :mad:
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
I say this as I rarely have any reason to go near my one and zero idea what I am supposed to be doing with the few fleet marks I have scavenged.
The fleets (one KDF, one Fed) I'm in are making steady progress, and there's certainly been a spread of people contributing and using the fleet provisions. However, I'm finding it a bit of a pain securing the necessary DOffs to finish off some projects and also the vast amounts of dilithium required. I could use my dilithium to help finish the project, but then I won't actually have the dilithium needed to buy any of the shiny things at the end of it without some more grinding.
Also, when we had a brief crisis with certain DOff requirements (between us we didn't have enough), I decided to scout the Exchange. Not only were there not enough DOffs of that quality to meet the requirements for our fleet alone, they were all rather expensive for what we were getting.
So I was expecting grind to get the starbase moving forward, but the amount of grind is starting to get dull and repetitive, particularly when it comes to silly things. When the bartender project was being done I could not get either Dosi or Romulan Ale for love nor money, but now we've done it I've picked up 3 Dosi and 6 Ales in the space of 4 days from DOff missions and random drops. And I've not been doing anything different or using different DOffs for the missions either (e.g. Confiscate Contraband regularly gave me a small hypo, now it's suddenly giving me Romulan Ale or Dosi using the same DOffs).
Tim
Edit: I should point out that the Ale/Dosi is coming from 2 characters, not a single one.
That's what I really don't like about dilithium. Oh you want to craft some nice weapons? Fork over an insane amount of dilithium. You want to do a starbase project? Give us more dilithium. Oh and hey, you can get free zen for even more dilithium. What I hate most is the 8K/day refinement cap. I'm a lifer approaching my 1000th day so I have access to the refiner, but 8500/day isn't much better.
Let us upgrade the Seleya Ceremonial Lirpa and Kri'stak Blade
I love seeing you post about Fleet Starbases, because 99% of the time you contradict yourself and provide your own solutions to the gripes you have.
You don't have to grind, you've CHOSEN to grind. You don't have to use real currencies. You've CHOSEN to use real currencies.
To me that argument never holds water, If I purchase an item in the real world with my money then I have used a form of currency, If I say to someone I will work X amount of hours for the item then I have paid in another form of currency.... but I guess your time has no value.
Another is that as someone said, setting up yet another pay wall to access more paid items. Given PWE's Ferengi tendencies it's not surprising but it sure does suck.
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