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borg9870
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Star Trek online takes place in the year 2409 and ST:VOY Endgame takes place in 2404 so don't you think we should use the Endgame/All good things uniforms as standard as it would be more appropriete to the time STO is set in?
http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/3/3b/Harry_Kim%2C_2404.jpg - endgame/all good things uniform
http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/3/3b/Harry_Kim%2C_2404.jpg - endgame/all good things uniform
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ive always said this to me fleet in any future episodes from TNG and up you seen in star trek what uniforms are they in? yes that right All Good Things
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This character is why I don't play my Romulan any more. Tovan Khev is NOT my BFF! Get him off my bridge!
This guy again... Yeah, I'd call the whole thing off if I were forced into that.
The problem about it is that they were originally just designed for this one time-travel episode, and not given quite the same care and consideration that the shows' regular uniforms got. Then it got reused a couple of times, and it's been hell ever since...
My middle ground is this: Cryptic needs to take another crack at this open uniform thing of theirs, only then create a variant with the uniform jacket unzipped all the way - as it should've been all along - and have the shirt underneath be the All Good Things one. As much as I loathe the uniform, it's sorta how I figure this thing'd evolve.
But anyway, they can't force us to wear a uniform that we have to buy off the Z-store. Nor could they go and put NPCs in it, cause then they'd be pressuring people into buying it to fit in. And if they do give it out for free, there'll be hell to pay from those who already bought it. So that's a ship that's sailed...
No, they are really ugly.
i wouldnt say cryptics look much better
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i dont think he is talking about player but the NPC
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The suggestion doesn't prevent YOU from wearing whatever uniforms you want. The suggestion is that the DEFAULT uniform style (on all NPCs) should be the AGT/Endgame style uniform. And not the Cryptic "maintenance jumpsuit style".
And I agree. Being that it's pretty much the same time period as Endgame, it should definitely have been the default style. Bad enough really, to have every uniform from every time period in the game, but worse to have the NPCs running around in uniforms which -isn't- canon for the time period.
That's a matter of personal opinion. Personally, I think they look alot better than the TNG "early season" uniforms, and a HUMONGOUS improvement over the Male Skant version.
The longer answer is that those episodes took place in timelines that became invalidated due to the acts of the various characters (Picard was time hopping thanks to Q, Adm. Janeway went back in time purposefully to change the timeline, Jake Sisko killed himself to prevent his dad from becoming permanently stuck in subspace or whatever was happening to him in that episode). So it's not anymore valid than choosing some other uniform.
but the key thing to keep in mind is its useed in future timeline's more then ones so logic say that the one feds will end up with
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Maybe take the AGT uni and improve on it.
Some players (myself included) already improve them with a different and more traditional color pattern.
Buff them up a bit to make them more in line with the TNG movie uniform and you would really have something.
It makes sense as everyone has their version of what is nice and what is horrid. Might also encourage people to buy c-store costumes if once unlock them you can use it on NPCs. Having it character rather than an account feature would be cool as well so different characters could use different uniforms for NPC.
Yes I know it is used several times but that doesn't alter the fact that those timelines were discontinued due to the plots of the episodes they took place in.
Hell in 'The Visitor' we see Captain Nog (edited here for correction) command the old USS Defiant which was brought out of mothballs. Jadzia was at the helm. Both shouldn't be possible because the original Defiant was destroyed and Jadzia was killed off.
In the timeline of 'All Good Things...' Deanna Troi mysteriously died, which caused a rift to develop between Riker and Worf. Last we saw in Nemesis Riker and Troi were happily married and presumably went off to have further adventures on the USS Titan. She didn't die, there was no feud between Worf.
In 'Endgame' Admiral Janeway went back in time to outright change the timeline. These future timelines are all invalidated by the end of the episodes in question. It seems funny that everything else that happens in these episodes would be so different but the uniforms would stay the same. But really my point is only that these uniforms appear in futures that turn out to be unrealised possibilities anyway.
ok its was Captain Nog and Jadzia being in it well it was dun before she was killed off and the Defiant was destroyed and replaced with the same ship type not the name but was later change back to Defiant
also you talk about all good things but did you forget its was all in picards head dun by Q to see if humans had it in them to expand there minds and who would know better then Q to know what the Feds would have been whereing just a thought
yes janeway change the timeline in endgames but that was a time line that did happen before it was changes
and you can say all you want them time line are gone and i will come back it keeps poping up in the future
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I'd love to hear a good explanation as to why I'm supposed to believe these time travel/alternate future scenarios are so effected by the "star" crew. Example: I mean, sure, the Kelvin being destroyed altered things and cause Starfleet to prepare greater defenses...but why would that change the shape and size of the Enterprise so radically? If anything, shouldn't it just make the development of the Constitution class happen earlier? And why would it change the uniforms? Voyager returning, why would the uniforms change? AGT was undone be Picard having knowledge of the future and telling his crew about it. Thus Deanna doesn't die, Riker realizes life is precious and pursues her and Worf fades to the background. (I got nothing on the subject of Warp 13 though...) But WHY would the uniform change? What about those events being undone would negate the vote of an unseen board of quartermasters that are unrelated?
I agree with the spirit of this thread though. There needs to be a quality standard uniform for all NPCs.
EDIT Hell in 'The Visitor', another line was how the Dominion War never even happened. We don't bat an eyelash at this and the other inconsistencies in this episode with what ended up happening even later in the show, but the costumes are somehow always destined to come about? It can't be both.
In the end they did end up with a new uniform change by First Contact, and that could easily be where the timeline diverged. In AGT and The Visitor, the Dominion weren't a threat and the borg weren't mentioned either, and things seemed to descend into a new cold war with the klingons. Maybe the quartermaster at the time was a different person from the one who designed the FC uniforms. But this is all sort of anciliary to my point; that it's not really any more valid to base the STO era uniforms on the AGT ones because that was a timeline that was outright discontinued in every instance it appeared. I could just as easily say that the FC uniforms became the one settled on by the 'prime' timeline because that's the last uniform we ever see anyone wear by Nemesis.
Now, ideally i wonder if they could allow uniforms to be a client-side option. This way you could set up a series of uniforms based on certain variables (perhaps something letting you be as basic or indepth as you want) which would change all the npc's and other players wearing uniform slotted costumes, this would be viewable by you alone. The player next to you, with their own client-side uniform options, would see you, other players and npc's wearing the uniforms in their options.
Which is a poor explanation for "everyone would want to buy a specific uniform he has seen on TV"
I have come to think that in STO there is absolutely no canon whatsoever, no story and no progress. It's just a digital playground for us players to play with all sorts of Star Trek themed "toys".
Although I'd welcome a uniform amongst NPCs, even the STO default ones if only they would be consistent
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Not only we wouldn't have to see those hideous combat armors anymore if we don't want them, but the word "uniform" would have it's meaning back.
To the thread starter:
I would love to use the AGT uniform on all my characters and their BOFFs but i just hate that ugly cumberbund (i hope thats the right expression).
Don't missunderstand me, i like the general style of that uniform, simple and elegant, much more than Cryptics plastic uniforms.
On female tons it can look quite OK, but on males it looks stupid and rediculus, because that stupid cumberbund it is much to high/big.
IF we had a alternative version without a cumberbund or with a significant smaller one i would happily use it.
EDIT:
I just made a mock up, to show how the AGT uniform would look like without cumberbund.
I don't know what you think, but i think it looks way better without it.
With Cumberbund
Without Cumberbund
Since the servers are down right now i only had this picture to work with, i hope it is ok that way.
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This reminds me of a post I once read on these forums that STO felt more like going to a Star Trek convention than being in the Star Trek world. I have to agree with that sentiment.
That's just the perfect way of describing it
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Just as every "funny" ship name or character name. Thats why i thought that an Star Trek MMO just doesn't work, since i first heard of STO in 2009 or '08.
I seriously hope that STO will never become canon. Just go to ESD and STO feels like a Star Trek theme park.
On the other hand, when i look at most of cryptics designs i always think that some of their designer may have thought that STO is set in some kind of mirror universe.
I just hate those plastic uniforms and even more those combat armors/kits.
(not to mention almost all of cryptics ship designs, but thats another topic.)
In my opinion the designers of STO did a completely wrong approach when designing things for this game. Instead of just making what they think of what is "cool", they should have tried to continue the TV series and Movies desings/stories more serious.
The "danger" i see in a Star Trek MMO is that many things this game introduces or misinterprets are going to be adopted by many players and official canon.
(a Galaxy Class without any significant firepower for example, or this rediculus stone/paper/scissor ship balance system.)
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Like I posted in a different thread, STO should have taken the risk and set the game in the 25th century, period. Nothing from the other periods except ships and equipment which makes sense to still show up and then tell a unique story, continue Star trek instead of just bing that huge "fanwankery" it is. Then it wouldn't all be about what costume to sell next
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One thing I am glad the KDF missed out on, armour visuals.
Holographic or energy fields on weapons (phaser wheapons) and Kits... and why do Compression phaser pistols have to look completely different to stun and wide beam pistols (the cobra phasers)?
Sometimes i have to think they never actually have seen a Star Trek episode.
It's small things like that, that make me really angry about cryptic designers, they seem just not to care about Trek. They should have made their own Sci Fi universe instead, if they hate Star Trek so much.
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Because not everybody has fun the same way. Cryptic gave you the ability to turn off your kit visuals, choose only canon-appearing weapons, and wear canon-appearing uniforms; you can also choose to wear the same uniform as the random NPCs in your ship, for a "uniform" (no pun intended) appearance.
Don't begrudge other people THEIR fun.
My question was, how did the devs come up with the idea to create combat armor and those kits in the first place. I have never ever seen in any episode or movie anything like it and they do surely not look like they belong to previous design lines or fit to other Starfleet equipment. (especially some high tier Kits don't look like starfleet equipment at all.)
Second:
If the devs seem to absolutely need to implement something like this, why can't we deactivate them at all, client wise?
(not just ours, but all of them)
Third:
Asking a question doesn't imply that i begrudge anyone about anything, i was just curious, if that is still allowed.
I surely do not want to begrudge other peoples "fun".
About "fun", what about my "fun"? Why do i have to see those hideous combat armors and kits which do apparently have nothing to do with star trek design at all?
I do not want to argue with anyone about that, i just want to say that the designers did care very little (or not at all) about previous trek design.
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That's kind a harsh, sounds like you begrudge yreodred for what he thinks is fun. I happen to agree with him. I never saw Kirk run around with 'Energy Warrior' look or Picard in his motorcycle jacket uniform. To each their own though, the developer should have stuck with a strictly canon look or have given us the ability to do so client side.