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Possible new ST-Series: 'Captain Worf' by Michael Dorn
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My brother just sent me this link, I don't know if it was already mentioned around here:
http://sciencefiction.com/2012/09/05/michael-dorn-developing-star-trek-captain-worf-tv-series/
It really get's me excited. Allthough it's only a "half-hearted concept" Mr. Dorn wanted to throw out there, I really love the idea. Mr. Worf was always one of my favourites.
But reading that J.J. Abrams would always have the last word on anything that resembles Star Trek made my heart ache quite a bit 
http://sciencefiction.com/2012/09/05/michael-dorn-developing-star-trek-captain-worf-tv-series/
It really get's me excited. Allthough it's only a "half-hearted concept" Mr. Dorn wanted to throw out there, I really love the idea. Mr. Worf was always one of my favourites.
But reading that J.J. Abrams would always have the last word on anything that resembles Star Trek made my heart ache quite a bit 
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I can just see it now, everytime a fight comes up the camera goes up close to Worf who has a slight grin on his face and that look in his eyes he always has before going of on some speech about glory and honor and and past battles and blah blah I am a Klingon warrior etc etc I can't destroy my enemy it would not be right under the Starfleet code. Ugh.... I love Worf:D
Really want a Star Trek: The Morn Years:cool:
im also not sure how accurate the 'guardian of trek' is. sounds like a phrase someone comes up with and then it sticks as if he is the one and only controlling voice.
i coluld be wrong but as far as i see it he is the director of one film series and paramount own the films but not the shows. i dont believe he has any control over what CBS could do with the series and if paramount wanted a show themselves i doubt he would be the final voice. if they see $ signs they will make the show regardless of how he feels. i dont think he was even a guarantee to make the second film or locked into any long term contract. im sure it would be discussed with him but i think his control is probably quite limited.
as for a worf show, while i dont think he is necessarily the right person to be a captain the concept of a prime universe show set after nemesis is exactly what i want to see. the chance to use any character from tng, voyager or ds9 is also a mouth watering prospect but im sceptical that it will happen.
You're obviously not reading the subtext of Star Trek correctly.
The entire series - every minute of every episode and every bit of licensed material - is one of three things.
1. Morn-dominated, of course.
2. Providing context for Morn.
3. Preparing the universe for the COMING of Morn.
Morn is the one, single, sole point of all of Star Trek storytelling.
Everyone else is either a chess piece or a throw-away tool with a name.
let me clarify. i dont think worf the character is right as a captain from a tv standpoint. when i think of kirk, picard , sisko etc i get the image of a great captain. worf is a great character and could even make a good first officer but i dont think he would work well as the captain of the show. he tends to be a bit two dimensional in his attitude to things. it could make it a more action show and a little less star trek.
when i think of picard verbally jousting with Q or sisko with Dukat i think of great TV. I'm not sure worf brings that to the table.
Possibly. But seeing how volatile Worf's personality is, he's not "captain material" - great Tac/BO, but no, not a captain. If he captained a Klingon ship instead of Fed, then that'd be wholly different issue.
I always liked Worf and i think it would be nice to see this character grow even more, since he is already one of the most experienced officers in Starfleet.
This series could be the chance to return to the original values of Star Trek, like a more positive view of the future.
My english is not the best but did the article say that JJ Abrams is the guardian of trek?
Live long and prosper.
CBS has TV rights. Paramount has movie rights. However, Orci, Kurtzman, and Abrams have veto rights on any TV project, which was negotiated by Paramount and CBS.
Dorn wants to do a direct to video movie.
Orci has said that for his one third of the vote, he'd say no to anything live action in any universe. That means Abrams or Kurtzman would have to break rank and say "yes" because the veto has to be unanimous.
HOWEVER...
Orci has said he would be very inclined to say yes to something animated.
CBS would prefer something Prime Universe so that they don't have to negotiate too hard with Paramount.
Now, if you had something lined up that was an animated Michael Dorn Worf project, it would have a prayer.
If anybody knows how to contact Dorn and tell him this, please do.
I can see it working. Klingon culture has a stylish look that would work well with animation, either CG or maybe something Aeon Flux-ish. Honestly, Worf always got punked primarily due to the special effects budget and stunts budget. In animation, you can get around that.
I've mentioned this all to an artist friend and he knows some Hollywood CG artists who he says would cut Dorn a break on their price just to say they did it and to get to work with him.
Meaning that STO can have things happen 25 years after they happen in the books but the same general stuff has to happen.
The dates don't have to match but the events do. This is why STO can't reveal the end of the Enterprise-E because CBS wants one version of that story to apply across its licensee continuities. When and if that happens, it will be one version that STO, the novels, and the comics can all use regardless of the differences in their continuities.
So if you have Worf hunting terrorists like Dorn wants, the smart money is on those terrorists being Undine.
Good dog, no. Please not. Before there is anymore rubbish CG-animated stuff I'd rather just buy the books on the "Captain Worf" saga
CGI animation, even the high-praised "Avatar", just looks bad IMO. It'd be fine for a videogame, but it's always looking like rubbish in a feature film, let alone a TV series (do you remember the awfull CGI in VOY or ENT?).
If they try to take the animated route to "save" prime-universe Trek I say let it die with what's left of it's dignity
EDIT: @ jcsww: I don't know, I never liked Ezri that much. She always felt to me just like the last-minute stand-in for Jadzia (which she was, obviously). Jadzia on the other hand was a very likeable character about whom Terry Ferrel said that she would have loved to play her again as a clone, hologram or alternate reality version.
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Personally, I couldn't stand Jadzia! It took too ling to kill her off to replace! You might want to give some of the novels a try though. Even those who may not have liked her shell of a character in DS9, she develops into a Captian fit for the chair. if they could take some of that soft canon history and use it to kick-start a new series. I think it would do much better than Enterprise could have done at the best over-inflated projections.
But... whos that Orci dude which gets a voice and descides to say "No" to anything but animated? Does he just hates Trek overall or a typical clueless bigwig?
Rather than focus on 1 group of crew and their trek through the stars it could feature groups of people through the years dealing with rebuilding earths citys, repairing the radiation damage, getting the remaining governments to work with & trust vulcans, then onto humans first visit to outer planets/the first ship to leave the solar system, ending the series on the launch of the Enterprise?
No need to have explosions/strange looking aliens/time travel, just focus on the human story as we bumble towards a future utopian society where duty officers can be powered into dilithium to power our fleet of mighty warships! All hail the emper-uh-president of the UFP!
Live action can be done with targeted or minimal SFX, whereas animation is basically entirely SFX.
And I would hope we're not talking about "Filmation" or Anime style animation here...
If it's the CGI-type animation that everyone would expect to see, I expect that it takes longer to create and that it's more expensive. Setting up to do a season of fully-animated shows would take longer than a full-length animated movie. I don't think so.
About the only break they could get would be avoiding big-name actor's likenesses/voices, and that only if it departs from every other Star Trek far enough to exclude those well-known characters.
The other benefit, of course, is that you would no longer need to worry about aging actors. Data could finally be as immortal as he's always been portrayed as being.
So yes, I suppose there would be benefits to an animated approach.
But for mainstream tv, I don't think it would work. By making it fully-animated, they would lose people who still think of animation as something for the kids. People who might otherwise get pulled into watching another Trek series might not be satisfied with it. It would immediately feel less "real". I enjoy animated features as much as anybody, but you can't ever shake the realization that it's basically a cartoon (unless you're throwing an "Avatar" budget at it).
Star Trek deserves better than that.
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That means Dorn will need a strong supporting cast, and as I stated above, I don't think he can carry a show. IMO, he's a great supporting character but not as a lead.
Just my two cents.
-Assasinated claimant to Klingon Empire Chancelorship
-Assasinated Klingon Empire Chancelor
-Disregarded orders from superior officers on multiple occasions
-Failed to complete covert mission behind enemy lines due to injury to fellow officer
-Has been defeated in combat by a small female Betazed
-Allowed previous Captains to be kidnapped off their own bridge on several occasions
-Has resigned from Starfleet service on multiple occasions
I do this in jest, but the facts do stack up against him.
How about a joint task force between the Klingons and the Empire that neither side really supports or wants to succeed, placed in a troublesome backwater full of Orion and Nausacan pirates? It could be a place far from the Federation, so Worf's unique style of captaining has some flex room.
His crew could be a rag tag bunch of throw aways from Starfleet and the Imperial Klingon Navy who have unorthodox skill sets and lots of character flaws. His ship could be an older worn out cruiser that breaks down all the time and incorporates whatever tech they can find.
Sounds like a fun and a totally different type of Star Trek to me.
As likable as Worf was, they never really got the character too far past being very one-dimensional. Nearly every internal struggle Worf ever had boiled down to some conflict with his inflexible personal sense of honor. You really would get tired of that if it were the theme of the show week after week.
A series about an older and more experienced Worf could finally get past that.
However, I really can't see it as it's being pitched. Most of the peeks we got at Worf's future put him back in the Empire, not Starfleet. That's not a show-stopper, of course. But I think it would be interesting to see Worf commanding a Klingon starship with some pretext for a mixed-species crew. Maybe as a troubleshooter for the Alliance (if it still exists). Could you hang a whole series on that? Possibly not, but it would certainly be different territory for a Trek series.
No matter what they do, if they do it, they need to find a different angle from previous series. A Next-Next Generation series won't fly very far.
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Don't get me wrong... I would never expect a new Trek series to move entirely away from CGI any more than I want them to be all-CGI.
CGI is still getting better and better, but photorealistic faces still seems a bit beyond the state-of-the-art. I notice that video had no shots of what CGI is worst at... facial close-ups with changing expressions. Great for action shots, not so much for dialogue. What they saved in actors and sets, they'd spend on making the close-up animation look real. Or defeat the purpose with the necessity of digitizing a live actor.
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It depends on where in time you look, as Star Trek has become 'Time Trek'.
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Very nice, but still not good enough for dialog-heavy scenes to replace live actors on TV. That last one looked like the character had partial nerve damage. The face wasn't animated enough; it still looked wrong. Maybe a lot more data points could've improved that, I'll grant you.
When the motion-capture technology gets to the point where it can work without some form of reference dots, then maybe it'll be good enough. They need to be able to build and translate high-definition facial topology on the fly.
Look at it this way... In the Captain America movie, they used CGI to make Steve Rogers look really small and puny. It was amazingly good, 90% believable. But even then, with all of the money and tech they could throw at it, he still looked wrong in some of the close-up shots. That was state-of-the-art. One guy, for part of one movie, it worked well enough to overcome disbelief. Try doing that with a full cast of characters for 26 one-hour episodes.
Again, great stuff for movies and made-for-video features. But your average TV viewer has a whole different set of expectations.
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