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Wells Class, Vesta Class coming ....BUT whats next?
paragon92518
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We are all aware that the Wells Class is coming from last weeks slip up. The Vesta is coming (likely very soon) with Friday's screenshot of the Nebula.
This brings me to the question....WHERE the F*** is the Andorian ship??? WHERE the F*** is the Ambassador Class?
We have seen many ships that were promised "down the line" come into the game already. Sovreign/Regent and T5 Akira just to name a few. We have witnessed lockbox ships of a Cardassian, Jem Hadar, Ferengi, and Tholian species, yet.......after almost 3 years the Devs refuse to include the Ambassador and also the Andorian ship.
Will freakin' the Enterprise-J-K-L-M or N be in-game before we see either of these long promised ships???
I'm starting to see why so many people I've chatted with in-game are getting sick. I'm an optomist, so can someone please add some words of encouragement, or, provide their thoughts when the Devs might actually live up to their promise?
This brings me to the question....WHERE the F*** is the Andorian ship??? WHERE the F*** is the Ambassador Class?
We have seen many ships that were promised "down the line" come into the game already. Sovreign/Regent and T5 Akira just to name a few. We have witnessed lockbox ships of a Cardassian, Jem Hadar, Ferengi, and Tholian species, yet.......after almost 3 years the Devs refuse to include the Ambassador and also the Andorian ship.
Will freakin' the Enterprise-J-K-L-M or N be in-game before we see either of these long promised ships???
I'm starting to see why so many people I've chatted with in-game are getting sick. I'm an optomist, so can someone please add some words of encouragement, or, provide their thoughts when the Devs might actually live up to their promise?
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This raises my question
Why the desperation for the ambassador class / andorian ship?
The Ambassador was the stepping stone from an excelsior - galaxy, and lets be honest they are not the greatest ships about ^^ (opinions may vary). (i am not fluent in the Star trek extended universe but..) The ambassador appeared as a focus in ONE episode, and made minor appearances in other things, e.g. one being blown at the first borg Cube.
Now i can understand if you want to fly you favorite ship, or you have a desperate roleplaying URGE to fly it, but why is it so INSANELY important ?
Andorian ship i can kinda understand, something different from your A-typical federation ships of saucer and nacelles, but still I would guess it would just be a tactical orientated cruiser which we have plenty of. (unless they decide to make a horror hybrid of a cruiser/escort/flight deck)
Personally I'm more interested in something NEW, different and preferably not in the oddesy paintjob, [not my cup of tea
erm dude, have u actually flown a excelsior? they are the best cruisers in-game
Seriously... trekkies are the worst kind of fans when it comes to STO... At least with other games players mostly appreciate what the get (and we do get a lot of playable ships - you can't argue with that). Here it's just constant moaning because each ST fan would like to see a different thing prioritised. You just can't please everybody...
Also, what does the nebula art has to do with the Vesta? The ship shown in the dock there is the Odyssey.
As far as the Ambassador, it has been mentioned both on the forum and in podcasts. Dstahl joked about it at the same time he joked about the Wells - and we have seen the Wells. Gecko also said in the podcast that the Ambassador would make it's debut sometime between now and early Season 7.
Cryptic tries to only put out 1 ship per month, and we have 4 months before Season 7, so the odds are good that the Ambassador will be one of the next 4 ships released - as will the Wells/Korath; assuming they're not Vet Reward ships.
Why not be happy with what you have, wait patiently, and do some research?
If the Federation Faction really is 80%+ of the player-base then that means they are financially supporting the game at 80%+ - and probably closer to 95%. As such there's nothing wrong with them wanting the things they want.
With those numbers wow...95% of the game is federation players...wow...I'm sorry greed away little feddies!
Make up all the fake numbers you want, doesn't take away the fact that feds in this game are some of the greediest I have ever seen in any faction and or mmo ever.
It's a known fact that the KDF constitute 20% or less of the fan-base. My point with the 95% is that the vast majority of C-Store items are Federation items - thus they are being purchased by Fed players. The KDF are generally not out buying Regents, for example.
So yes, the Federation players are the people paying most of the money to Cryptic - the vast, vast, vast majority of money that Cryptic makes every single month comes from Fed items being sold.
But here's something I always like to ask: there are 30 Fed ships and 21 KDF ships in the C-Store for us to buy. How many of those 21 ships do you own?
And what did they do instead?
They've added a bunch of Tier 2-4 vessels with inferior stats, completely ignored any type of science vessels whatsoever, and completely forgotten about most Tier 5 variants - even those that do not come with any unique integrated ability.
I mean, seriously - where's my Fleet Kar'Fi? Where's Fleet Marauder? Where's ANY Gorn science ship? What's the reason not to include any of them? I would give another 20$ just to fly an upgraded Marauder FDC, but instead I am given the Fleet Corsair with completely different boff setup and not so great stats. What the hell? The same goes for Kar'Fi - one of my all time favourite ships in the game when it comes to performance. But nope - no fleet equivalent for me here.
No idea what were they thinging here... And at the very least these fleet ships could satisfy at least some portion of KDF community asking for more ships. But nope - not even the ones that would be easy to make are there - now go fly your inferior Tier 3 Refits...
I don't really care to debate Fleet ships. I'm not even sure the demand for Fleet ships is that high for the majority of the player-base - and I doubt most of the player-base will even make it to T4 or T5; though, I do think more ships will get added to the Fleetbase pool as they are completed.
Errr, why wouldn't there be a demand for the most powerful ships in the game (or rather, upgraded versions of already existing ones). Even at Tier 1 and 2 you get access to some really neat toys for the FEDs, like the Fleet Patrol Escort, Fleet Recon, Fleet Star Cruiser etc. Tier 3 with Fleet Tactical Escort Refit also isn't that far off, and that ship has 5 tactical console slots, with only other ship like this being the bug ship. And all that not mentioning other Tier 5 variants, even the ones at Shipyard Tier 4 or 5. So yeah, I'd say they are tempting, and before S6 launch most of the discussions was about the ships, not other fleet benefits.
So now while I'm waiting for my fleet to reach Tier 3 Shipyard for the Defiant and such, my KDF toons have absolutely nothing to look forward to, because there's nothing new in the C-Store, and there's no Fleet variant of the ships I'm using.
My point is, if Cryptic is not planning to introduce any new C-Store ship, because of how minor the KDF playerbase is, then the least they could do something proper with existing variants and introduce more Fleet Re(tro)fits to the Shipyard. Marauder, Kar'Fi or any of the Gorn Sci ships would be a good start...
And, as I said above, I believe you will see more variety added to the Fleet menu in time. Most Fleets are T1/T2 right now. It'll be several months before they hit T4/5 - and by them there could be several more ships added to the list.
So no, I'm not forgetting anything - FEDs have 10 Tier 5 Fleet refits (2 at each tier, not counting TBD Fleet Assault Cruiser), while KDF only get 4 (2 of which at way higher tiers).
Also, keep in mind, you get a discount for a Tier 5 Fleet vessel if you already own its equivalent from the C-Store (for example, if you own Tactical Escort Refit from the C-Store you pay only 1 Fleet Module instead of 4). Problem is, KDF have no such ship in the shipyard atm, so whatever you get, you need to pay the full 20$ price...
Up until now I tried to avoid the "zomg KDF are an afterthought!!11onemeh" discussions, but after seeing how Cryptic handled their Fleet ships in comparison to FED ones, I am honestly disappointed - ESPECIALLY with no C-Store content even being planned. The only "hope" is another lock box I guess...
There are 30 Fed C-Store ships and 21 KDF C-Store ships. What there are in Fleetbases and what there might be in the future Fleetbases is meaningless to the discussion of more KDF things going into the C-Store.
Edit: And all of this is very-much off topic from the OP's purpose of the thread.
I see you completely missed my point, which was a simple solution to the lack of (m)any new KDF C-Store ships. And that is, to introduce more Fleet versions of already existing ships. If you say there are way more potential buyers at the FED side, and Cryptic's going to put all its resources there, then KDF are being more and more left out. So if they're not planning on introducing anything completely new for this faction to be sold in the C-Store, then the least they could do is provide some variety through Fleet ships. Which they didn't, thus a lost potential.
Beyond that, better ships, for a large percentage of the players, are meaningless. The only people really caring about Fleet Ships are PvPers, and they're not a majority, or even a close-to minority, of the player-base.
I do elite STFs in my RA ships all the time without incident. I haven't need a 10-Console T5 ship to do them, and most of the player-based doesn't either. Fleet Ships are primarily PvP items. For everyone else they're just vanity items.
Again, except you're the only one solely talking about ships. I think most KDF players want more then just ships added to the game.
Also:
>a discussion
I am not arguing about the priorities, as I fully understand the differences between potential FED player buyers, and KDF player buyers. My point, which I guess you once again missed, was a simple solution that could at least somewhat ease all that FED vs KDF war when it comes to new ships (or lack thereof for the KDF), and how Cryptic's failed at it. That's all.
On the previous page you criticised someone's reading comprehension skills, but I believe you need to work on those as well.
But yeah, that's EOT from me anyway.
And as I've now said twice, the purpose of this thread was to talk about Vesta, Wells, etc. Not get sidetracked into a "KDF needs more stuff" or "We can save the KDF buy putting more things into the Fleetbases" discussion, IMO. YMMV
Those topics should have their own threads - and they do.
Andor class cruiser
Thurfir class destroyer
Ambassador class battleship
The Star trek Armada
New Orleans class cruiser
Really nice looking ships
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
cryptic managed to get the luna and vesta in game because they're in books liscened by cbs , but paramount revoked FASA's lisence a looong time ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_RPG_%28FASA%29
dont get me wrong , their are some fantastic ships designed under the FASA system , especially some frigates and destroyers based on the excelsior refit, its just the likelyhood of seeing them in game is stupidly low imo
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As the OP of this, I'm wondering how the thread got so sidetracked. It almost seems like deliberate sabotage.
I do NOT wish to turn this thread into 1 big "Fight Club" of postings, but some posters have likely already killed this thread anyway, but WHY bash thecosmic1 ? They have done nothing wrong.
To get back to what was originally posted (hopefully), to anyone, please read my original posting. What do you all think of ships that will be coming out over the coming months?? Anyone willing to take a stab and guess what the next 4 might be?
People have been asking for the Ambassador since before launch, how is that "greedily ask(ing) for more"? The Ambassador make more sense to show up than some of the other designs, like the Cheyene (which we only ever saw in the Wolf 359 junkpile)...
THe Wells and Vesta, I could care less about.
The Dev's never keep promises.. they should stop promising.
Its like when my parents told me Santa was real and he is coming in December.. year after year.. a big fat lie! Wah Why!
Well that just burst my bubble. I guess I am a vain TRIBBLE cuz I have an FPE, and rather like it XD.
And even more I would like some skin for the Lakota Excelsior (advanced Heavy Cruiser retrofit right?). Something like this: http://www.meshweaver.com/images/models_fpeb-schem.jpg
It would even make sense as Starfleet don't have a real combat-oriented cruiser (no, Sovereign are also exploration ships). Lakota has proven that Exclesior-sized ships can be great battleships and as they are smaller then Galaxy/Sovereigns you could get a decent firepower and survivability for not that many resources. With Feds on war with anyone around and in few neighborhood universes pure combat oriented cruiser will make a lot more sense then exploration/combat ships like Odyssey or new Sovereigns subclasses.
Plus such skin could explain the place (and abilities) of T5 Excelsior - those with current skin are the Excelsiors that were refited to Lakota standards, and those with such new skins are just new ships based on Lakota experiences.