Kar'Fi and STF Sets

praghas

My current main is a science captain, currently in a Hegh'ta Heavy Bird of Prey (the level 40 free BoP). I will probably remain in this vessel for a few weeks, but plan to eventually purchase a Kar'Fi carrier. That is all that I do know, I am not sure of what build I will choose yet or what type of weapons I will use yet (leaning towards fore cannons and aft turrets with emphasis on Gravity Well and Tyken's Rift). I don't PvP, so only STFs and the new grindy-fleet mark missions. In my third STF on that character I luckily snagged a rare borg engine tech, so I now have a Mark XI engine I can pick up and not sure which set I want to go with for this character, the Honor Guard or the Omega.

The Honor Guard deflector seems better for this, but the Omega engine seems like the better choice. Then when it comes down to the set bonuses, it seems like the Honor Guard 2-piece is much, much better, but am I mistaken?

Anyway, if you guys could help me out, in general which set is better for what roles, i'd greatly appreciate it.

Also, does the KHG 3-piece bonus put you in to stealth or just give you a better stealth rating?

Thanks,
Atbin

trek21

As far as which engine to go for, let's see... the HG gives you small boosts in your power systems except for engines, while the Omega gives you reduced cooldown on Slipstream. The boosts in turn rate and flight speed are roughly the same.

So, considering your STF's goals, I'd say the HG

And for the deflector, that depends on your role you wish to do. While both have boosts to Graviton and Particle Generators (good for GW and Tyken), there you must choose:

Omega gives you boosts to Sensors (good for your Science skills), Targeting Systems (good overall for weapons), along with resistances to certain attack effects (like the Borg Shield Drain). Seems mostly good for a DPS type ship.

HG however, gives you boosts to your power transfer (and a small effect on Emergency power abilities), your own drain, stealth, and hold/disable attacks. More of a support type, I think.

The shield is also a matter of role. The Omega shield has high regeneration, and boosts your turn rate/flight speed when attacked... which is definitely a tank type of thing. The HG though, has a high capacity, and a potential drop in accuaracy to your target when it attacks you. Definitely for those who deal damage, but can't take too many hits.

And as for the set bonuses, I don't know the full benefit of the Omega's shield drain, but it doesn't seem to be worth it. The HG 2-piece boosts your auxilary power (which helps overall, but best on the Kar'Fi, because the hangers recharge timers depend on aux power), in addition to crew resist.

The 3-pieces are unusual. Omega's Graviton Anchor reduces your target's ability to move, robs him of some kinetic resistance and defense, in addition to the loss of defense boost from moving. The Mask Energy Field though is just that... an AoE Stealth ability, with a 3min cooldown. Sorta like Mask Energy Signature, but affects you and allies within 5K.

Hope that all helps

reginamala78

Honor Guard is a GREAT carrier set, since you can run with engines at 25 and it boosts the power to everything else besides, the shield is better than the Omega shield (unless you really like speed), and the deflector boosts all your sci stuff. The 2-piece is basically an extra torpedo console, and an extra whatever the sci consoles that keep your huge crew alive, plus more aux energy. The energy masking thing however works like Mask Energy Signature with a PB-AOE (to sorta-cloak your pets too), doesn't last particularly long, and can't be activated when under fire, so unless you've got the skill to launch a full remaneuver-and-sneak-attack with a behemoth in an 18-second window, I'd just disregard it. However I was running it on a Vo'quv leading with my pets and beam arrays, and not a cannon-laden Kar'fi, so you may get more out of the Omega weapon boosts than I did. Still, the HG set is very much carrier optimized, and the Kar'fi is a lot closer a carrier than it is an Omega attack ship, DCs or no.

praghas

Looking at the stats in game (as opposed to the wiki, as they aren't the same) the KHG seems very superior in all respects, it gives you +aux for support and healing as well as a general boost of all stats with just the engine. The deflector gives you a bonus to structural intergrity, which I prefer defense to damage, especially currently being in a BoP that dies if three things are shooting at it. Also the KHG engine has a slightly better turn rate, which with a Kar'Fi is something I am going to need.

I forgot about Aux effecting hangars, thanks for that reminder.

As for the three set bonus, I feel like I am more likely to use the stealth than the other thing, though probably neither which opens up the possibility of going two KHG and two Borg. Originally I was planning on going four Borg as I had never done that before, guess i'll save it for my Nausican pirate.

Thanks for the quick replies, not going to purchase it just yet, so would appreciate any of details.

banzaizap

I'm an Engineer in a Kar-Fi with a Tykens/GravWell build myself. I have the Honor Guard Shield and Engines, HOWEVER, you may want to consider the Jem'Hadar Deflector.

The difference between the two- and three- parts sets is not all that great (for this build) and the JemHadar dish gives BIG bonuses to both Flow Capacitor and Grav Generator, so it makes a noticeable difference in both your crowd-control abilities.

ariseabove

praghas wrote: »

My current main is a science captain, currently in a Hegh'ta Heavy Bird of Prey (the level 40 free BoP). I will probably remain in this vessel for a few weeks, but plan to eventually purchase a Kar'Fi carrier. That is all that I do know, I am not sure of what build I will choose yet or what type of weapons I will use yet (leaning towards fore cannons and aft turrets with emphasis on Gravity Well and Tyken's Rift). I don't PvP, so only STFs and the new grindy-fleet mark missions. In my third STF on that character I luckily snagged a rare borg engine tech, so I now have a Mark XI engine I can pick up and not sure which set I want to go with for this character, the Honor Guard or the Omega.

The Honor Guard deflector seems better for this, but the Omega engine seems like the better choice. Then when it comes down to the set bonuses, it seems like the Honor Guard 2-piece is much, much better, but am I mistaken?

Anyway, if you guys could help me out, in general which set is better for what roles, i'd greatly appreciate it.

Also, does the KHG 3-piece bonus put you in to stealth or just give you a better stealth rating?

Thanks,
Atbin

How do you intend to play with the Kar Fi?

Team support = Omega set, Dps = Honor Guard, Tanking = Aegis set.

To answer your question regarding the KHG 3 piece bonus, it will put you into stealth but your not cloaked and you can't target enemy's or be targeted while this is in affect, last for about 30secs I think.

If you want the Aegis set its far cheaper to make it your self, just be aware each piece cost just over 18k worth of Dilithium so its best to make it when theres a crafting event or if you have loads of EC they are overpriced on the exchange for 4mill plus a piece.

lostmoony

3xborg set + shild with highest capacity= best ingame combo for ANY ship in the last 2 years and in the next 2 years.;)

baudl

2 borg+2 khg...can't do anything wrong with that. (borg deflector for the additional 5 aux)

i suggest also 2 torp launchers (quantums) up front...the rest cannons +turrets.

its good for anything, since the aux power actually outweigh the direct buffs from the other sets.


it is a consideration to use the jemhadar deflector...but considering that the borg deflector adds structural integrity and graviton generator and 5 aux + the 2 piece borg set, outhweighs that.

afree100

THIS INFO IS INVALID I WAS A NOOB WHEN I POSTED THIS!
Ageis set for tanking are u kidding me!
Positron Deflectors are good, Borg Console, KHG Shield (well I like borg but most say KHG), KHG Engine is good, if u got stuff in flow capacitors go with Omega deflector and engine (for PVP).

Also if u PVP use Power Siphon Drones and maybe 1 Fer'Jai Frigate, for STFs (or Fleet Stuff (basically any PVE)) then use To'Ju fighters. It is a really good idea to have flow capacitors on a Kar'Fi. Also Plasmonic Leech that comes with the Vandal Destroyer (1000zen) is awesome.

ariseabove

afree100 wrote: »

Ageis set for tanking are u kidding me!
Positron Deflectors are good, Borg Console, KHG Shield (well I like borg but most say KHG), KHG Engine is good, if u got stuff in flow capacitors go with Omega deflector and engine (for PVP).

Also if u PVP use Power Siphon Drones and maybe 1 Fer'Jai Frigate, for STFs (or Fleet Stuff (basically any PVE)) then use To'Ju fighters. It is a really good idea to have flow capacitors on a Kar'Fi. Also Plasmonic Leech that comes with the Vandal Destroyer (1000zen) is awesome.

Um hello, the op said,

praghas wrote: »

I don't PvP, so only STFs and the new grindy-fleet mark missions.

We are not talking about pvp builds here and No I would not use the Aegis set as such in pvp.

Please READ the OP post before you post or you might be considered trolling!

afree100

ariseabove wrote: »

Um hello, the op said,



We are not talking about pvp builds here and No I would not use the Aegis set as such in pvp.

Please READ the OP post before you post or you might be considered trolling!

Sorry should pay more attention to posts.

amidoinitright

Long time Karp pilot here, I run A Tac Karp, Sci Karp, & I ran an Engi Karp. I use KHG shield & Engines, & Borg set console & Deflector with all of them. It works great.

thissler

ariseabove wrote: »

Um hello, the op said,



We are not talking about pvp builds here and No I would not use the Aegis set as such in pvp.

Please READ the OP post before you post or you might be considered trolling!

I mean, you're right, but its pretty damn funny coming from a pro troll such as yourself.

Hey, any luck learning how to turn? I hear some guys are using 'A' and 'D'.

Hope that helps.

Cheers happy flying!

ariseabove

thissler wrote: »

I mean, you're right, but its pretty damn funny coming from a pro troll such as yourself.

Hey, any luck learning how to turn? I hear some guys are using 'A' and 'D'.

Hope that helps.

Cheers happy flying!

You know what trolling is don't you?

Its when people post in any thread not on topic, EXACTLY what your doing here lol.

If any one here is a pro troll its you my friend;)

hereticknight085

I'll just put it out there. I main my fed character, but I do have a klank, and I will say this: Honor Guard Set VASTLY, I say again VASTLY out-strips both the Omega and MACO sets. The overall bonuses are better, and it's combat effectiveness is very VERY nice. Peeps are always complaining the feds get all the new fancy TRIBBLE, well in our defense, we need it to keep up with the pure combat capability the KDF has. Example: compare the negh'var to the sovereign. Negh'var outstrips the sovy in health, defense, firepower as a result of higher turn rate.

Ignore that last sentence lol that doesn't belong in this thread. Stick with the Honor Guard set my friend. Good things will happen (like LOTS, and I mean LOTS of dead borg).