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Another Dreadnought Thread!
krylm
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It seems to me that the Federation Dreadnought should mirror the Bortasqu Tactical since they are in grand terms meant for the same style of play. The Bortasqu is a large lumbering ship with a large main gun and a cloak. It was built for battle and the BOFF and console layout reflect that. The Federation Dreadnought was built for the same dang purpose and we are stuck with a ship that in a standoff with the Bortasqu Tactical would probably be annihilated!
The Bortasqu Tactical for any that do not know has the following layout,
43,500 Hull
3500 crew
1 Lt Tactical BOFF
1 Commander Engineer BOFF
1 Lt Science BOFF
1 Ensign Universal BOFF
1 Lt. Commander Universal BOFF
5 Tactical Console slots
4 Engineer Console slots
1 Science Console slot
I reviewed all Federation ships and we have NO equiviliant! We have no large tactical minded cruisers. Obviously I'm not calling for directly mirroring that cruiser as the dreadnought cannot fit 3500 people but can't they give us something similar?
I know all you super elite veteran superstars will jump in and tell us we should sit in the back and heal you or something stupid but I'm not raising this subject with combat efficiency in mind because not all of us just sit there and PVP day and night. This is about play style and what we want out of the game and I don't see that this would create an imbalance in the game!
Thoughts?
The Bortasqu Tactical for any that do not know has the following layout,
43,500 Hull
3500 crew
1 Lt Tactical BOFF
1 Commander Engineer BOFF
1 Lt Science BOFF
1 Ensign Universal BOFF
1 Lt. Commander Universal BOFF
5 Tactical Console slots
4 Engineer Console slots
1 Science Console slot
I reviewed all Federation ships and we have NO equiviliant! We have no large tactical minded cruisers. Obviously I'm not calling for directly mirroring that cruiser as the dreadnought cannot fit 3500 people but can't they give us something similar?
I know all you super elite veteran superstars will jump in and tell us we should sit in the back and heal you or something stupid but I'm not raising this subject with combat efficiency in mind because not all of us just sit there and PVP day and night. This is about play style and what we want out of the game and I don't see that this would create an imbalance in the game!
Thoughts?
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1-The Bortas is unique to the Klingons for the very reasons you listed. Their uniqueness has slowly been torn away from them over the past two years, this is one of the remaining few things they have left.
2-A large lumbering dreadnought warship hulk is not in the vision of the Federation. If anything, they will create something that is very large, but very multi-purpose. It can fight, it can explore, it can be used for diplomacy...IE The Odyssey.
3-Just because one side gets something, doesn't mean the other should. Balance can be played out using what we have. The Odyssey is an extremely powerful ship that equals the Bortas. The Bortas has big teeth, but she's very slow and cumbersome, and has light shielding by comparison.
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Really? Because I remember reading that in the alternate timeline the Enterprise - F an Odyssey class starship was built with combat in mind and I quote
"The ship was the first of its class and it was stated that it was the Defiant to the tenth power. It also possessed a multi-vector assault mode; built with the purpose of combating the Grigari threat."
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701-F)
Klingon vessels are laid down as warships. StarFleet has other concerns. Right, wrong, or indifferent, that's just how it is, Ace.
How can you say a ship that came with a giant phaser cannon and a cloak wasn't meant to be a pure bred battleship? It was designed in the alternate timeline during the war with the Klingons specifically with battle in mind. How could having a similar console setup and BOFF setup be robbing it of it's "unique" properties? We could compare a dozen ships on both sides that have identical if not almost identical console and BOFF setups. People didn't like that the Klingons had a carrier so what did they do?
I completely understand this mentality but times change. In Starfleet canon they have created pure bred warships. Considering the storyline we are currently going through I wouldn't think it would be unreasonable to expect them to make one.
Right. So you just answered your own question. StarFleet already has capable ships to deploy in the role of a warship.
No, I am saying that in Starfleet history they have created warships. The only warships currently in STO are the smaller escorts. I have both the Sao Paulo and the T5 Defiant and do not enjoy the play style. I enjoy my Dreadnought a great deal. Guess I am just wishing that it was more tactically equiped. Not insanely tactical like the Defiant but having a Lt Commander or even Commander Tactical BOFF would make me happy. Some Additional Tactical console slots would count as my fricken birthday present haha! I hope I am making sense.
I don't understand what you are saying.
Nobody is talking about PVP here... we were simply saying that the Federation does not have ANY Tactical heavy ships compared to the Klingon side.
Critical thinking comes easy to some and...well....not so easy to others.
Please re-read the following paragraph,
"I know all you super elite veteran superstars will jump in and tell us we should sit in the back and heal you or something stupid but I'm not raising this subject with combat efficiency in mind because not all of us just sit there and PVP day and night. This is about play style and what we want out of the game and I don't see that this would create an imbalance in the game!"
Please notice that I specifically phrase this in the context of storyline play and PVE. I specifically state that I am aware that in PVP it may not be effective (As is the same for many other ships). But I see an outcry for a ship like I described. Yes, I am sure you see many threads on this subject and I pray that you don't respond to each one with the same useless response. You do not know that this will never be changed so try not to speak with such authority on the matter...
Getting tired of these guys, they're like cockroaches. It's been said before, it'll be said a million times again, it's the pilot, not the ship. I've seen veterans in mirandas do better than newbs in carriers. If it's not working then you ARE doing it wrong.
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And you do realize it's an entirely different ship in a timeline that does not exist?
It's a timeline where Weyun is the Kai of the Pah-wraiths and Admiral Picard wants to build the biggest ship in history.
Haha, thank you for proving you have the reading comprehension of my dog. I never said I wanted the ship to be across the board more powerful. I simply compared a ship of similar design and showed that the Federation had nothing even remotely similar. Yes, I realize the KDF and Federation are supposed to have different ships. The purpose of this thread is to try to be the catalyst for a little change. Set aside the Dreadnought even...I am just hoping for one Federation cruiser (Perhaps even the Typhoon) that is obviously built for battle.
I have no problems with my Dreadnought, truly. I've purchased many other ships and found I like it the most. I just enjoy being Federation and wish we could have a ship like the Bortasqu as well. I don't think it's that big a request.
Of course, if you are just trying to look cool by posting insults to other players in an attempt to elevate yourself in the eyes of others you have probably failed. I think anyone but the most mentally challenged would note your inability to actually address my original posts request. Congrats....
The only reference to an Odyssey class in Startrek Canon is that history line so how could it be a different ship? You're telling me the same creators that put a Dreadnought in the game from an alternate timeline would decide to create an Odyssey class ship also from alternate timeline but it actually has nothing to do with the alternate timeline? Logic anyone?
IF you had actually read the article you would have noticed that the ship is not of the Odyssey class but of an entirely different class meaning the two have nothing to do with each other whatsoever.
"This section describes the alternate timeline Enterprise-F established as an Enterprise-class vessel in service from 2382 to 2388 in DS9 - Millennium novel: The War of the Prophets. "
elementary logic
I guess the section describing the regular timeline Odyssey still evades me...
I didn't mean to insert that logic comment. I don't usually resort to insults like this. insanerandomnes witless response got under my skin.
Na, I'm not trying too look cool when I already am incredibly epic :cool:.
And no, I can read perfectly fine. I just didn't find it worthwhile to listen to your incessant whiny pre-teen rant. If it was about getting a ship built just for war, fine, but don't target the dreadnought, cause it's already an awesome ship.
Now a typhoon would be awesome. I'd love too fly one, and I'd like too see the designing of the ship upto the devs. However, after the regent, I'm seriously seond guessing my faith in their ship balancing developers. Perhaps it should just have ten weapons slots, and thats it for a special ability. Maybe. Doubt it'll ever happen. Guess I'll just wait for season 7. Oh and wait until after the Vesta too, more excited about that, science finally gets some love.
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I don't mind at all waiting for a new class.
I completely agree that the dreadnought is an awesome ship. I have several ships in my pool, including the defiant refit, and I prefer the Dreadnought 10x over the other ships.
I think the reason people see so many Dreadnought threads is because a decent amount of people see the Dreadnought as the closest thing the Federation has to a battlecruiser style ship but it just doesn't seem to completely fit the category (regardless of how awesome it already is). I'm not asking for it to be more powerful, just more battlecruiser like. If you think about it, removing some of the engineering abilities would not allow it to last as long even if it did dish out more DPS.
I personally like the route the ship designs are going overall. Albiet, the klingon side needs some love before we get any more fed ships, AND PW needs too wrap their minds around ship balancing.
I love the look and type the dreadnaught is in, and I think the only thing they need to do is balance the hitpoints with all the other ships. It's too slow anymore for my personal usage, and I find that I get better results on destroying more ships quickly with a sustained damage starship than with a burst damage ship like the dreadnaught.
If we were to get a battlecruiser like ship, I'd rather see something that works like a BC, maybe the Typhoon class. Perhaps what we should have is one ship that the other side is wanting really bad. I know the fed side is sorely lacking on science ships, they need some love on that area, and we'd like something with a battlecloak. I'll bet if we had just one ship to take those roles, the other side would complain at first, but after a while, people would be going back too the ships they used to fly.
Actually, I wonder how many fed pilots would fly a bird of prey and not get anywhere, because it's made of old scaffolding, and has little in the way of defense...
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So i have made an other dread thread;) to explain the changes i think should be done to that ship, it call "galaxy x improvment or fleet galaxy x" if you care to take a look and see if it a proposal that would satisfy you.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
It's basically everyting above the "Altenate timelines" part.
In other words: precious little since it's a wiki that works with what's given to them.
Since they don't know anything else than we do...well that's pretty much it.
Same goes for the desciption of the class itself here:
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Odyssey_class
No hard feelings then.
I have to admit I had a hard time not to throw some rather unfriendly remark at you.;)
The Regent is a very tactically leaning Cruiser with a LtC and Ensign slot, and my Engineer can tank extremely well in it, as well as deal out a decent amount of damage.
That said, I'm still hoping for the Typhoon as a dedicated Battleship.