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drailh
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After much testing and meddling i finally managed to reach wave 7 in the NWS (but lost 
) and since i couldn't find a nice topic discussing strategies on this mission i decided to start one so we can all share knowledge.
So, here are the things i found out :
1) Best ships for this mission are Cruiser and Science Vessels with a mix of both.
The minimum requirement being Commander + Lt Commander Engineering or Science BOFF slots.
You have read correctly, i do not recommend escorts because i feel they are a weight to the team in this mission, mainly for two reasons : first, it is very important to stay alive, if you die more than once you will most likely TRIBBLE your team and escorts tend to go boom way to often; second but not the least, escorts simply do not have the adequate BOFF slots.
As you may have understood, cruisers will AOE spam to grab maximum agro, tank and if needed heal while science vessels will crowd control, heal and finally DPS when possible.
The DPS is *not* important and the most important things are, in this order : keep the transport out of firing range from the ennemies, heal the transport, heal yourself.
2) The waves are not timed, you have all your time, use it !!
No need to go all berserk, there is no timer so when you have only 1 ennemy left everyone but 1 person should stop attacking and start healing the transport.
The last team member should keep the last ship busy and away and wait for the transport to be fully healed before triggering next wave !
The ten seconds between waves are not enough to fully heal the transport so don't expect to survive next wave if your transport is not at 100%.
3) Devices like turrets and pets like Tal'Kyr/Saucer/Destroyer will not live long.
You can use them but be warned that they will die very very fast so time well their use because you will be left without for few minutes.
Concerning devices, everyone should have a Subspace Field Modulator for when tanking.
4) Imho the most important skills to have are :
- Tractor Beam Repulsors : *very important*, i recommend 2 per science vessel and 1 per cruiser. SPAM IT !! to keep the ennemies at bay away from the transport but also push away exploding ships, torpedoes, missiles, fighters ! And of course do not be dense and do not push ennemies toward the transport !
- Engineering Team : *very important*, 1 per player minimum, to heal the transport.
- Hazard Emitters, to boost transport hull regen and/or cleanse it.
- Transfer Shield Strenght, to heal the transport.
- Extend Shields, same as above.
- Reverse Shield Polarity, for when you are going into the brunt of the fighting.
- Emergency Power to Shields, self heal.
- Beam Fire at Will, for cruisers to grab agro of nearby ships and shooting at mendatory plasma torps flying by.
- Torpedo Spread, same as above.
- Emergency Power to Weapons, extra DPS but remember it shares cooldown with Emergency Power to Shield who is more important.
5) Always keep the transport on focus (the pin button on the target) so you can quick select it without cursing at the melee or your team mates.
I strongly recommend you do not take the usual STF skills that are Gravity Well and Eject Warp Plasma because those skills will just pin down the ennemies and keep them inside their firing range to the transport instead of pushing them back.
Same for Tyken's Rift : it is a good skill but it will eat up crowd control and healing skills slots.
Remember everything i said is for waves 1 to 7, i do not know if it works or is adequate for next waves.
That is all i can think of right now, i will come back and edit this post when needed.
Please share your thought and your experience so we can finally beat this no win scenario !!
) and since i couldn't find a nice topic discussing strategies on this mission i decided to start one so we can all share knowledge.So, here are the things i found out :
1) Best ships for this mission are Cruiser and Science Vessels with a mix of both.
The minimum requirement being Commander + Lt Commander Engineering or Science BOFF slots.
You have read correctly, i do not recommend escorts because i feel they are a weight to the team in this mission, mainly for two reasons : first, it is very important to stay alive, if you die more than once you will most likely TRIBBLE your team and escorts tend to go boom way to often; second but not the least, escorts simply do not have the adequate BOFF slots.
As you may have understood, cruisers will AOE spam to grab maximum agro, tank and if needed heal while science vessels will crowd control, heal and finally DPS when possible.
The DPS is *not* important and the most important things are, in this order : keep the transport out of firing range from the ennemies, heal the transport, heal yourself.
2) The waves are not timed, you have all your time, use it !!
No need to go all berserk, there is no timer so when you have only 1 ennemy left everyone but 1 person should stop attacking and start healing the transport.
The last team member should keep the last ship busy and away and wait for the transport to be fully healed before triggering next wave !
The ten seconds between waves are not enough to fully heal the transport so don't expect to survive next wave if your transport is not at 100%.
3) Devices like turrets and pets like Tal'Kyr/Saucer/Destroyer will not live long.
You can use them but be warned that they will die very very fast so time well their use because you will be left without for few minutes.
Concerning devices, everyone should have a Subspace Field Modulator for when tanking.
4) Imho the most important skills to have are :
- Tractor Beam Repulsors : *very important*, i recommend 2 per science vessel and 1 per cruiser. SPAM IT !! to keep the ennemies at bay away from the transport but also push away exploding ships, torpedoes, missiles, fighters ! And of course do not be dense and do not push ennemies toward the transport !
- Engineering Team : *very important*, 1 per player minimum, to heal the transport.
- Hazard Emitters, to boost transport hull regen and/or cleanse it.
- Transfer Shield Strenght, to heal the transport.
- Extend Shields, same as above.
- Reverse Shield Polarity, for when you are going into the brunt of the fighting.
- Emergency Power to Shields, self heal.
- Beam Fire at Will, for cruisers to grab agro of nearby ships and shooting at mendatory plasma torps flying by.
- Torpedo Spread, same as above.
- Emergency Power to Weapons, extra DPS but remember it shares cooldown with Emergency Power to Shield who is more important.
5) Always keep the transport on focus (the pin button on the target) so you can quick select it without cursing at the melee or your team mates.
I strongly recommend you do not take the usual STF skills that are Gravity Well and Eject Warp Plasma because those skills will just pin down the ennemies and keep them inside their firing range to the transport instead of pushing them back.
Same for Tyken's Rift : it is a good skill but it will eat up crowd control and healing skills slots.
Remember everything i said is for waves 1 to 7, i do not know if it works or is adequate for next waves.
That is all i can think of right now, i will come back and edit this post when needed.
Please share your thought and your experience so we can finally beat this no win scenario !!
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You can have both Tac Team and Eng Team since they are not the same class.
So, fair point, throw away a low level BFaW or TorpS to take a Tac Team instead, but do not remove Eng Team to take AuxtSIF : Eng Team + Transfer Shield Str heal much better and is more flexible.
aux2sif=best heal skill ingame low cooldown so you can spam him + high ressis booster.
and to your question high dps needet for the mission+ability to stay alive anyone do it other way.
I agree, aux2sif > engineering team, plus you wont get your tac team locked out.
Rest of it I can agree with
Ok, two in a row that talk about it, i'll have a look and run some tests.
First, it is not a question it is a fact, i did it that way.
Secondly i opened this topic for everyone to talk about their strategy, so if "everyone do it the other way" is so good, go on, feel free to share it because that is exactly what i asked for and it will help everyone.
i have reached lvl 8 with dps only team never try it after that again.
if you will know how its easy 5x fire at will spaming if transporter is sometimes hitten give him hazzard emiteer and all is nice.
we fail on lvl 8 not about leaking dps 2 players was overrunned on npc so heal in cooldown then they die if you die in the mission the mission is with 80% lost.
but the only question for me is with the new pets is there a way to not win the no win scenario:cool:
... You do understand Gravity Well can make for deadly chain reactions, killing entire squadrons of ships with a focused burst of firepower? TBR negates that entirely.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
AuxSIF heals about half of what Eng Team does but it grants a damage resist for 10 sec, doesn't share a cooldown with Team skills, has a 15 sec CD (half of Eng Team) and is usable on yourself or others like Eng Team. Spam away.
Yes i do, very well.
This setting is defensive, centered on keeping annemy busy + babysitting transport and thus not very DPS efficient, add that you have to split your firepower because most waves spawn ennemies on opposite sides, add that your gravity well keeps ennemies in range of the transport, you risk a nice toasted transport if heals can't keep up in meantime.
But it is my choice : i prefer a moving ennemy that i keep far away unable to fire on the transport than a pinned down ennemy that i may kill faster but who is still shooting at transport in meantime.
On a side note, it may work very well with Lostmoony's strat : bring big guns, pin down ennemy, blast away.
Yeah i have been looking at the stats already, thank you
I am still dubious tho not because of the stats because of the way i play.
Anyway i'll give it a try !
Grav Well is a useful opening strike against the enemy groups, but in later waves plenty of ships will surivive the attempts to Grav well and chain react, so you need TBR for that because there'll be just too many ships coming from different directions for anything else to be really effective at keeping them off the freighter.
I honestly don't see how NWS can be done without a lot of copies of TBR, if I'm honest.
my team never used it and reach lvl 8 so... you see different playstyles.
but if anyone only goint for the medal or what is the reward i dont think its any way of cheating to call a big fleet to make the mission for you.:D